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The Republican dilemma

Post by arepo » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:54 am

A fine article on Trump's remarkable staying power.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/g ... 051187&t=4

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Re: The Republican dilemma

Post by John F » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:18 am

I wonder if Trump is now anticipating the general election by making like a Democrat on some social issues, reducing the policy difference between him and whoever the Democrats nominate. In the past, he's contributed to both Democrats and Republicans more or less indiscriminately. But no, that's too much like strategic planning, and Trump doesn't do that.
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Re: The Republican dilemma

Post by karlhenning » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:31 pm

Are Republicans finally coming up with a plan to beat Donald Trump?
Linda Feldmann wrote:... one click closer to an outcome once thought unfathomable ....
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Re: The Republican dilemma

Post by karlhenning » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:55 pm

CNN commentator: It's over; Trump is going to be the Republican nominee
Mel Robbins wrote:At least Jeb had the guts to face the truth and withdraw. John Kasich is a nice guy, and he gives good hugs, but under what scenario does he actually win? Carson is just as surprised as you and me that he's still on stage, which means he doesn't belong there.

Staying in the race is delusional at this point. It's time they pack their bags and turn their loss into a win on the speaking and publishing circuit.
Mel Robbins wrote:The GOP establishment has been wrong at every turn, and Trump has been right. In business, there's an explanation for this: disruption. That's what Trump has done -- he's disrupted politics as usual and changed the rules entirely. As I argued in January, once disrupters such as Amazon, Uber and Airbnb get out front, they become nearly impossible to beat.
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Re: The Republican dilemma

Post by rwetmore » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:26 pm

It's not over yet, but it's getting close. The problem is many analysts are trying to make the case that Trump has a ceiling where he can't get past around 40%, because he hasn't yet gotten above that level. But this arbitrarily assumes a one remaining establishment candidate won't have a ceiling that prevents him from winning. I've seen polls that support that most of the Republican primary electorate are anti-establishment this time around. Something like nearly 2/3rds of them. This suggests as the non-establishment candidates drop out, i.e. Cruz and Carson, Trump will likely get the majority of those votes. Moreover, there is polling data that also suggests a not insignificant amount of the current establishment candidate supporters will go to Trump if their candidate drops out.

The question is will this combination put Trump over the top. We don't quite know yet.
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Re: The Republican dilemma

Post by John F » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:29 pm

It's still early days, but that doesn't stop prognosticators from prognosticating - it's what they're paid for.
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Re: The Republican dilemma

Post by rwetmore » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:36 pm

karlhenning wrote:Are Republicans finally coming up with a plan to beat Donald Trump?
Linda Feldmann wrote:... one click closer to an outcome once thought unfathomable ....
BTW, that so many people think the outcome unfathomable demonstrates that they don't understand the foundation behind Trump's support. Or how wide and broad his support actually is. And it's not support for him personally, i.e. Trump the man, but his platform of not taking money from donors and special interests, wanting to secure the border and get the economy going again among other things. So many people feel the system, run by the establishments of both sides, is corrupt and broken beyond repair from within.
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: The Republican dilemma

Post by rwetmore » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:45 pm

I heard in Nevada he won 46% of Hispanics. If that doesn't tell you how widespread his support is in the Republican race, little else would.
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: The Republican dilemma

Post by rwetmore » Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:27 am

Here's something that ought to make you all nervous:

Think Hillary Clinton Will Crush Donald Trump in the General Election? Don't Be So Sure.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... neral.html
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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