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Post by jbuck919 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:14 am

You must forgive me for taking this from AP stories in the local paper rather than the NY Times, but it was an extraordinary juxtaposition.

First, President Obama has taken the unprecedented step of denouncing Trump as unfit to be president. This will undoubtedly be treated by many voters as politics as usual, but it is not. Not a single vote may be swayed because of this, but it is unique in US history. Second, Pope Francis has set up a commission to look into ordaining women as deacons. The Pope has already made it clear that he regrets the decision of his predecessor to attempt to elevate the non-ordainability of women from a matter of church discipline to one of doctrine. Now he is getting his feet wet in the way of putting his money where his mouth is, to horribly mix a metaphor.

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Post by John F » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:22 am

Pope Francis said he was in favor of that move, I believe, and it's good that he is following through on it. But unless he packs that commission with members in favor, he may not get the report he wants. We know that over here, handing an issue off to a commission is often a way of getting rid of it, and many commissions' findings and recommendations are disregarded. Here's hoping something positive comes out of this one, and that it's acted upon by the church.
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Post by jbuck919 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:31 pm

John F wrote:Pope Francis said he was in favor of that move, I believe, and it's good that he is following through on it. But unless he packs that commission with members in favor, he may not get the report he wants. We know that over here, handing an issue off to a commission is often a way of getting rid of it, and many commissions' findings and recommendations are disregarded. Here's hoping something positive comes out of this one, and that it's acted upon by the church.
You may have a point, but Pope Paul VI also appointed a commission (all male professional theologians and churchmen) that overwhelmingly recommended rescinding the prohibition against contraception. He chose to ignore them and uphold the traditional teaching. Though he was the signatory of every document to come out of Vatican II, he also said, "The church is tenaciously conservative." The current pope seems willing to allow a little more wiggle room.

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Post by John F » Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:41 pm

And, of course, he is the pope.
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Post by karlhenning » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:25 pm

jbuck919 wrote:You must forgive me for taking this from AP stories in the local paper rather than the NY Times, but it was an extraordinary juxtaposition.

First, President Obama has taken the unprecedented step of denouncing Trump as unfit to be president. This will undoubtedly be treated by many voters as politics as usual, but it is not. Not a single vote may be swayed because of this, but it is unique in US history.

It's also delectable political revenge. Republicans since Election Night 2008 adopted the reflexive habit of barking "No" whenever Obama paused in speaking. Republicans this season have stained themselves foully by enabling Trump, and with his recent meltdown, they are rapidly reaching a point where they won't be able to repudiate him with anything like dignity. Obama made the masterstroke of at once speaking the plain truth ("If you are repeatedly having to say, in very strong terms, that what he has said is unacceptable, why are you still endorsing him?"), and, now that HE is the one who has said it, putting any Republican who does now repudiate Trump, in the position of conceding that Obama — OBAMA! — was right.

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