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Trump to Clinton — "No more Mr Nice Guy"

Post by jserraglio » Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:29 pm

Donald Trump Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton
By NICK CORASANITI and MAGGIE HABERMAN
AUG. 9, 2016
New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/po ... .html?_r=0

WILMINGTON, N.C. — Donald J. Trump on Tuesday appeared to raise the possibility that gun rights supporters could take matters into their own hands if Hillary Clinton is elected president and appoints judges who favor stricter gun control measures to the bench.

At a rally here, Mr. Trump warned that it would be “a horrible day” if Mrs. Clinton were elected and got to appoint a tiebreaking Supreme Court justice.

“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

The Trump campaign released a statement insisting opaquely that Mr. Trump had been referring to the “power of unification.”

“Second Amendment people have amazing spirit and are tremendously unified, which gives them great political power,” said Mr. Trump’s spokesman, Jason Miller. “And this year, they will be voting in record numbers, and it won’t be for Hillary Clinton, it will be for Donald Trump.”

Mr. Trump’s remark came a day after his campaign expressed satisfaction with his delivery of a prepared economic speech in Detroit and called it evidence of a new level of discipline.

Reacting to Mr. Trump’s statement on Twitter, aides to Mrs. Clinton expressed immediate horror, suggesting that even by Mr. Trump’s standards, the comments were jarring.

“This is simple,” Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager, Robby Mook, said in an email. “What Trump is saying is dangerous. A person seeking to be the president of the United States should not suggest violence in any way.”

Even those in Mr. Trump’s audience appeared caught by surprise. Video of the rally showed a man seated just over Mr. Trump’s shoulder go slack-jawed and turn to his companion, apparently in disbelief, when Mr. Trump made the remark.

Mr. Trump’s remark was reminiscent of an allusion to “Second Amendment remedies” by Sharron Angle, a Republican Senate candidate who in 2010 unsuccessfully challenged the majority leader, Harry Reid, in Nevada, and was derided by Democrats, and some in her own party, as too “extreme.”

In a radio interview that year, Ms. Angle talked about the importance of preserving the Second Amendment, not merely for members of the military or law enforcement.

“In fact, when you read that Constitution and the founding fathers, they intended this to stop tyranny,” Ms. Angle said, adding later, “It’s to defend ourselves. And you know, I’m hoping that we’re not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems.”

Senator Chris Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut, who has made gun reform his signature issue after the Sandy Hook shooting in his state, took to Twitter to castigate Mr. Trump, calling his remarks “disgusting and embarrassing and sad.”

“This isn’t play,” Mr. Murphy wrote. “Unstable people with powerful guns and an unhinged hatred for Hillary are listening to you, @realDonaldTrump.”

And Representative Eric Swalwell, Democrat of California, wrote on Twitter that the Secret Service should investigate Mr. Trump for making a death threat against Mrs. Clinton: “Donald Trump suggested someone kill Sec. Clinton. We must take people at their word.”

Mr. Trump’s campaign events and rallies have grown increasingly vitriolic, with angry chants and jeers directed at Mrs. Clinton, some of them led by the candidate himself. On Tuesday, Mr. Trump called Mrs. Clinton a “liar” and “wacky.”

Chants of “lock her up,” which first gained traction during the Republican National Convention, were loud and frequent in Wilmington before Mr. Trump took the stage. One speaker, former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York, tried to steer the crowd away from the chant.

“No, no, we’re here to beat her, and keep her out of Washington,” Mr. Giuliani said as he waved off the chants. He was interrupted by the same chant minutes later, and again paused and tried to wave off the crowd.

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Re: Trump to Clinton — "No more Mr Nice Guy"

Post by John F » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:12 pm

Trump's off-the-cuff comment is typically vague and disconnected, and he's explained it away.
CNN wrote:Trump defended his comments Tuesday, insisting that he was telling his supporters to use the power of their vote to stop Clinton from appointing justices who could restrict their Second Amendment rights. "This is a political movement. This is a strong political movement, the Second Amendment," Trump said. "And there can be no other interpretation. Even reporters have told me. I mean, give me a break."

But Trump's controversial remarks earlier Tuesday pointed to a scenario under which Clinton would be appointing Supreme Court judges -- meaning Election Day would be long gone.

Jason Miller, Trump's senior communications adviser, said in a statement that Trump was merely talking about Second Amendment supporters large influence as a group. "It's called the power of unification -- 2nd Amendment people have amazing spirit and are tremendously unified, which gives them great political power. And this year, they will be voting in record numbers, and it won't be for Hillary Clinton, it will be for Donald Trump," he said.
For an explicit threat to Clinton, a Republican convention delegate named Al Baldasaro said last month that she should be executed for treason over the Benghazi affair. A Trump spokesperson said at the time that "his campaign" did not agree with that statement, but Baldasaro remains a Trump advisor on veterans affairs, and he repeated the threat in the same words last weekend. Trump didn't comment directly but on Saturday he said at a rally, "Al has been so great."
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Re: Trump to Clinton — "No more Mr Nice Guy"

Post by jserraglio » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:51 pm

If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks — Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.
Trump's rhetoric is puerile but fascinating in its disconnectedness. He often interjects phrases like "lots of people are saying" or "this or that is being reported" or, as in this case, "I don't know" to distance himself from an outlier that he actually agrees with but may wish to deny later. Only when he exhorts his audience to "believe me," do you know he would sacrifice his newly awarded Purple Heart for a position.

Using such dodges, he was able to threaten the life of his opponent today and get away with it, hiding behind the 2nd Amendment. Today's new line serves the same purpose as last week's "This election is rigged, folks, believe me!" — a verbal wall to keep out what he must sense is coming — utter defeat.

But today's remark is no less reprehensible than the "rigged" line in its suggestion that only one election outcome would be legitimate. "If I lose, believe me, the election was rigged — and, I don't know, maybe then the Second Amendment folks will have to exercise their right to bear arms."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/opini ... eople.html

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Re: Trump to Clinton — "No more Mr Nice Guy"

Post by John F » Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:56 am

I've given up trying to parse what Trump says. Sometimes I think even he doesn't know what he means, his mouth is running ahead of his brain. And by now it seems not to matter. Those who really want to vote for him seem not to be put off by anything he says. Those who would vote for the Republican nominee no matter who it is, professional politicians and rabid Clinton haters mainly, may be less attached to Trump personally, but I expect they'll be watching the polls more than listening to him. Of course all this is guessing, but what else can we do in this weird year?
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Re: Trump to Clinton — "No more Mr Nice Guy"

Post by jserraglio » Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:51 am

John F wrote:I've given up trying to parse what Trump says.
Evidently, the Secret Service doesn't bother parsing remarks that contain veiled threats against the life of a presidential candidate. They take action.

Trump's underlying message, garbled though it may be, is pretty clear: This election has one acceptable outcome. Failing that, believe me, we may have to stick to our guns.

Today's New York Daily News (it endorsed Romney last time around) called on Trump to quit: "Donald Trump must end his campaign for the White House in a reckoning with his own madness, while praying that nothing comes of his musing about an assassination of Hillary Clinton."

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Re: Trump to Clinton — "No more Mr Nice Guy"

Post by John F » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:44 am

The Secret Service has taken no evident action beyond putting this message on Twitter: “The Secret Service is aware of the comments made earlier this afternoon.” Big deal. Of course they are if they read the newspapers. I'm not impressed, and I doubt Trump and his followers are either.
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Re: Trump to Clinton — "No more Mr Nice Guy"

Post by jserraglio » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:47 am

John F wrote:The Secret Service has taken no evident action beyond putting this extremely cagy message on Twitter: “The Secret Service is aware of the comments made earlier this afternoon.” I'm not impressed, and I doubt Trump and his followers are either.
The Secret Service does not strike me as being in the PR business. Given a possible threat, they will do something about it. They know where to find Mr Trump for a heartfelt late-nite tete a tete. They won't have to ferret this perp out of a hole.

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Re: Trump to Clinton — "No more Mr Nice Guy"

Post by lennygoran » Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:50 am

This Times editorial was nice to read! Regards, Len


Further Into the Muck With Mr. Trump

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD AUG. 9, 2016


Three months from the presidential election, and one day after his running mate promised “specific policy proposals for how we rebuild this country at home and abroad,” Americans find themselves asking whether Donald Trump has called for the assassination of Hillary Clinton.

On Tuesday at a rally in North Carolina, Mr. Trump falsely charged, as he has before, that “Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish, the Second Amendment.” Then he added: “If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.”

Directly behind him, a supporter’s jaw dropped. Afterward, Mr. Trump’s campaign issued an utterly mystifying statement about the “power of unification,” suggesting that Mr. Trump was referring to the political power of Second Amendment supporters, and was not advocating violence. The National Rifle Association, which has endorsed Mr. Trump, concurred with his statement on Supreme Court justices and did not specifically address the rest of his remarks.
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Was it a threat? Mr. Trump’s campaign has been marked by extraordinarily combative rhetoric. At another rally, he said he would like to punch a protester in the face and see him leave “on a stretcher.” His supporters have shouted “kill her” when he mentions Mrs. Clinton. The Republican convention heard cries of “lock her up.” A New Hampshire delegate, Al Baldasaro, called for Mrs. Clinton to “be put in the firing line and shot for treason.”

That comment wound up on the Secret Service’s radar. Mr. Trump’s comment should as well.

Seldom, if ever, have Americans been exposed to a candidate so willing to descend to the depths of bigotry and intolerance as Mr. Trump. That he would make Tuesday’s comment amid sinking poll numbers and a wave of Republican defections suggests that when bathed in the adulation of a crowd, Mr. Trump is unable to control himself.

Just eight years ago, Senator John McCain of Arizona, then the Republican presidential nominee, told a man at a town hall session who said he was “scared” of an Obama presidency that Mr. Obama “is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared as president of the United States.”

Twenty minutes later, a woman told Mr. McCain that she couldn’t trust Mr. Obama because “he’s an Arab.” “No ma’am,” Mr. McCain replied. “He’s a decent family man, a citizen, that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues. And that’s what this campaign is all about.”

Republicans would do well to summon the integrity that Mr. McCain showed in 2008, and not just to give some sense of decency to this ugly campaign. The time has come for Republicans — including Mr. McCain — to repudiate Mr. Trump once and for all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/opini ... egion&_r=0

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Re: Trump to Clinton — "No more Mr Nice Guy"

Post by diegobueno » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:25 am

I'm sure Richard II was just joking when he said "Will no one rid me of this cleric?"

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