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A Question About Protocol:

Post by dulcinea » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:30 pm

why doesn't the POTUS represent the USA at the state occasions of foreign countries?
Heads of state, heads of government, members of royal families, and diplomats all outrank the VPOTUS, which means, for example, that it would be disrespectful to the USA's most steadfast ally to send the Veep to represent the USA at the funeral of Queen Elizabeth and the coronation of her successor.
Carter made a big faux pas when he sent his wife as his representative to L Ame, exactly as if a First Lady were the equivalent of a Queen Consort. Taft blundered even worse when he sent Theodore Roosevelt to represent the USA at the funeral of Edward VII. T obviously expected that TR's status as an ex President and national hero would compensate for the fact that Roosevelt had no official government status. T was very wrong, and thus TR found himself in the company of the less important attendees, including the nobility below the rank of royalty. Very humiliating :( :( :( :( :( .
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Re: A Question About Protocol:

Post by jbuck919 » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:32 pm

By all means, let Donald Trump personally attend the next such event, and BTW he can leave his security detail behind. Vladimir Putin's detail will fill in nicely.

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Re: A Question About Protocol:

Post by John F » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:16 am

So what? President Eisenhower did not go to London for the coronation of Queen Elizabeth - in fact, I believe no American president has ever attended the coronation or funeral of an English monarch. Nations decide such matters not according to some ironclad rule of protocol but to serve the purposes of their international relations and diplomacy, as well as other practical reasons.

In 1910, when King Edward VII died, the UK was not "the USA's most steadfast ally," and whatever the Brits might think, President Taft taking two weeks off and personally going to England to pay honors to an English king would have caused an uproar in American politics. Sending former president Roosevelt was exactly right, and on arrival he was treated as his status and British-American relations justified. These things are all mutually arranged in advance - Roosevelt didn't find out who his dinner companions would be on arriving at the banquet, but must have known exactly what to expect and agreed to it, or else he wouldn't have gone at all.

I agree that the more Trump is out of the country, the better.
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Re: A Question About Protocol:

Post by jserraglio » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:47 am

The POTUS, hailing from Bonkers not Yonkers, ahould not be bothered with petty protocol right now. He is about to invade Chicago.
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Re: A Question About Protocol:

Post by dulcinea » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:30 pm

John F wrote:So what? President Eisenhower did not go to London for the coronation of Queen Elizabeth - in fact, I believe no American president has ever attended the coronation or funeral of an English monarch. Nations decide such matters not according to some ironclad rule of protocol but to serve the purposes of their international relations and diplomacy, as well as other practical reasons.
Is this your answer? Are you suggesting that the POTUS is too important to acknowledge the existence of other countries and other governments?
If international relations and diplomacy are really that important, then consider the case of Mexico, a country with which the USA has had strained relations for years. What would be more diplomatic and considerate than for the POTUS to attend the inauguration of the President of Mexico, and in turn to have the President of Mexico attend the inauguration of the POTUS?
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Re: A Question About Protocol:

Post by John F » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:52 pm

dulcinea wrote:
John F wrote:So what? President Eisenhower did not go to London for the coronation of Queen Elizabeth - in fact, I believe no American president has ever attended the coronation or funeral of an English monarch. Nations decide such matters not according to some ironclad rule of protocol but to serve the purposes of their international relations and diplomacy, as well as other practical reasons.
Is this your answer?
I've just said it is, haven't I?
dulcinea wrote:Are you suggesting that the POTUS is too important to acknowledge the existence of other countries and other governments?
Of course not. Heads of state meet when there is important business to be done that can't be transacted at a lower level. But you're tralking about ceremonial events, for which the level of representation is not functional but symbolic. No reason to get all hot and bothered about it.

The President of Mexico has just canceled a meeting with Trump for good reason - to send an unmistakable message that Trump's policy and attitude toward Mexico is unacceptable. International relations and diplomacy are indeed really that important, but they are not always positive and friendly. Conducting diplomacy is not the same thing as "being diplomatic."
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