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Trump blasts Obama; Comey undercuts Trump

Post by jserraglio » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:31 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/p ... .html?_r=0

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump on Saturday accused former President Barack Obama of tapping his phones at Trump Tower the month before the election, leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence.

Mr. Trump called his predecessor a “bad (or sick) guy” on Twitter as he fired off a series of messages claiming that Mr. Obama “had my ‘wires tapped.’” He likened the supposed tapping to “Nixon/Watergate” and “McCarthyism,” though he did not say where he had gotten his information.

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017

A spokesman for Mr. Obama said any suggestion that the former president had ordered such surveillance was “simply false.”

During the 2016 campaign, the federal authorities began an investigation into links between Trump associates and the Russian government, an issue that continues to dog Mr. Trump. His aides declined to clarify on Saturday whether the president’s allegations were based on briefings from intelligence or law enforcement officials — which could mean that Mr. Trump was revealing previously unknown details about the investigation — or on something else, like a news report.

But a senior White House official said that Donald F. McGahn II, the president’s chief counsel, was working to secure access to what Mr. McGahn believed to be an order issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court authorizing some form of surveillance related to Mr. Trump and his associates.

The official offered no evidence to support the notion that such an order exists. It would be a highly unusual breach of the Justice Department’s traditional independence on law enforcement matters for the White House to order it to turn over such an investigative document.

Any request for information from a top White House official about a continuing investigation would be a stunning departure from protocols intended to insulate the F.B.I. from political pressure. It would be even more surprising for the White House to seek information about a case directly involving the president or his advisers, as does the case involving the Russia contacts.

After the White House received heavy criticism for the suggestion that Mr. McGahn would breach Justice Department independence, a different administration official said that the earlier statements about his efforts had been overstated. The official said the counsel’s office was looking at whether there was any legal possibility of gleaning information without impeding or interfering with an investigation. The counsel’s office does not know whether an investigation exists, the official said.

Last month, Reince Priebus, the White House chief of staff, came under fire for asking a top F.B.I. official to publicly rebut news reports about contacts between Trump campaign officials and the Russian government.

Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, said in a statement that the “White House counsel is reviewing what options, if any, are available to us.” Mr. McGahn did not respond to a request for comment. He was traveling on Saturday to Florida to join the president at his estate, Mar-a-Lago.

The president’s decision on Saturday to lend the power of his office to accusations against his predecessor of politically motivated wiretapping — without offering any proof — was remarkable, even for a leader who has repeatedly shown himself willing to make assertions that are false or based on dubious sources.

It would have been difficult for federal agents, working within the law, to obtain a wiretap order to target Mr. Trump’s phone conversations. It would have meant that the Justice Department had gathered sufficient evidence to convince a federal judge that there was probable cause to believe Mr. Trump had committed a serious crime or was an agent of a foreign power, depending on whether it was a criminal investigation or a foreign intelligence one.

Former officials pointed to longstanding laws and procedures intended to ensure that presidents cannot wiretap a rival for political purposes.

“A cardinal rule of the Obama administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice,” said Kevin Lewis, a spokesman for Mr. Obama. “As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen.”

Mr. Trump asserted just the opposite in a series of five Twitter messages beginning just minutes before sunrise in Florida, where the president is spending the weekend.

In the first message, the president said he had “just found out” that “Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower” before the election. Mr. Trump’s reference to “wires tapped” raised the possibility that he was referring to some other type of electronic surveillance and was using the idea of phone tapping loosely.

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017

The president was adamant in conversations with several people throughout the day on Saturday that he believed he was right about the wiretaps, according to three people with direct knowledge of those conversations.

Two people close to Mr. Trump said they believed he was referring to a Breitbart News article, which aides said had been passed around among his advisers. Mark Levin, a conservative radio host, had also embraced the theory recently in a push against what right-leaning commentators have been calling the “deep state.”

The Breitbart article, published on Friday, claimed that there was a series of “known steps taken by President Barack Obama’s administration in its last months to undermine Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and, later, his new administration.” Stephen K. Bannon, Mr. Trump’s chief strategist, once led Breitbart News.

If Mr. Trump was motivated to take to Twitter after reading the Breitbart article or listening to Mr. Levin, he was using a presidential megaphone to spread dark theories of a broad conspiracy aimed at undermining his presidential ambitions, and later his presidency.

Even with the Breitbart article circulating, several of Mr. Trump’s advisers were stunned by the president’s morning Twitter outburst. Those advisers said they were uncertain about what specifically Mr. Trump was referring to; one surmised that he may also have been referring to a months-old news report about a secret surveillance warrant for communications at his New York offices.

One senior law enforcement official from the Obama administration, who has direct knowledge of the F.B.I. investigation into Russia and of government wiretapping, said that it was “100 percent untrue” that the government had wiretapped Mr. Trump. The official, who asked for anonymity to discuss matters related to investigations and intelligence, said the White House owed the American people an explanation for the president’s allegations.

Ben Rhodes, a former top national security aide to Mr. Obama, said in a Twitter message directed at Mr. Trump on Saturday that “no president can order a wiretap” and added, “Those restrictions were put in place to protect citizens from people like you.”

The House and Senate Intelligence Committees are moving forward with their own investigations into Russia’s efforts to influence the election, and they have said they will examine links between Mr. Trump’s associates and the Russians.

Senator Chris Coons, Democrat of Delaware, said on Friday that he believed there were “transcripts” that would help document those contacts, though he said he had not yet seen them.

“There are transcripts that provide very helpful, very critical insights into whether or not Russian intelligence or senior Russian political leaders — including Vladimir Putin — were cooperating, were colluding, with the Trump campaign at the highest levels to influence the outcome of our election,” Mr. Coons told Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC. “I believe they exist.”

In a written statement on Saturday, a spokesman for Mr. Coons said that the senator “did not imply that he is aware of transcripts indicating collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians.” The spokesman, Sean Coit, said Mr. Coons had “simply stated that a full review of all relevant transcripts and intelligence intercepts is necessary to determine if collusion took place.”

The New York Times reported in January that among the associates whose links to Russia are being scrutinized are Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s onetime campaign chairman; Carter Page, a businessman and foreign policy adviser to the campaign; and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative who said he was in touch with WikiLeaks at one point before it released a trove of emails from John D. Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, last August. Mr. Stone later said he had communicated with WikiLeaks through an intermediary.

Mr. Trump appeared on Saturday to suggest that warrants had been issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. He claimed that the Obama administration had once been “turned down by court” in its supposed efforts to listen in on conversations by Mr. Trump and his associates.

Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017

In the fall, the F.B.I. examined computer data showing an odd stream of activity between a Trump Organization server and Alfa Bank, one of Russia’s biggest banks, whose owners have longstanding links to Mr. Putin. While some F.B.I. officials initially believed that the computer activity indicated an encrypted channel between Moscow and New York, the bureau ultimately moved away from that view. The activity remains unexplained.

There is no confirmed evidence that the F.B.I. obtained a court warrant to wiretap the Trump Organization or was capturing communications directly from the Trump Organization.
During the transition, the F.B.I. — which uses FISA warrants to eavesdrop on the communications of foreign leaders inside the United States — overheard conversations between the Russian ambassador to the United States and Michael T. Flynn, whom Mr. Trump had named national security adviser.

Mr. Trump has pointedly and repeatedly questioned in conversations how it was that Mr. Flynn’s conversations were recorded, and wondered who could have issued a warrant.

After The Washington Post reported that Mr. Flynn and the ambassador, Sergey I. Kislyak, had discussed sanctions that the Obama administration had just imposed on Russia, Mr. Flynn was pushed out of his post by the White House because he had lied to Vice President Mike Pence about the nature of the calls.

The Breitbart article cited mainstream news reports and concluded — going beyond the public record — that the Obama administration had “obtained authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the N.S.A. rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government.”

Mr. Levin, a day earlier, railed about what he called a “much bigger scandal,” claiming — again with no proof — that Mr. Obama and his aides had used “the instrumentalities of the federal government, intelligence activity, to surveil members of the Trump campaign and put that information out in the public.”

Several senior members of Mr. Trump’s White House staff did not respond to an email requesting on-the-record responses to more than a half-dozen questions about Mr. Trump’s Twitter posts.

Representative Adam B. Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, denounced the “willingness of the nation’s chief executive to make the most outlandish and destructive claims without providing a scintilla of evidence to support them.”

Even some Republican lawmakers questioned Mr. Trump’s accusations. Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska issued a statement demanding that the president reveal everything he knows about any wiretaps or warrants.

“The president today made some very serious allegations, and the informed citizens that a republic requires deserve more information,” Mr. Sasse said, adding that “we are in the midst of a civilization-warping crisis of public trust.”

Taping calls seems to hold a spot in Mr. Trump’s consciousness. He spent many years taping his own phone calls as a businessman. During the campaign, Mr. Trump’s staff members told reporters they feared that their offices were being bugged.

But Mr. Trump’s latest allegations represented a sharp change in his tone toward Mr. Obama.
The current president has frequently spoken about how much he admires Mr. Obama for the gracious way he handled the transition. But since taking office, Mr. Trump has frequently clashed with the intelligence agencies over the Russia inquiries, including efforts to examine the attempts by that country to influence the presidential election and the contacts between Mr. Trump’s aides and the Russian government.

In recent days, the president has appeared increasingly angry about leaks of information that he believes are coming from law enforcement and intelligence officials who are holdovers or recently departed from Mr. Obama’s administration.

People close to Mr. Trump have described him as determined to stop those people from sabotaging his administration. One adviser said on Friday that the president had been discussing a possible plan to try to prevent leaks from occurring. The adviser declined to elaborate on what the plan might entail.

Two senior administration officials said Mr. Trump had tried for two days to find a way to be on an offensive footing against the news articles resulting from leaks; one person close to Mr. Trump said his explosive claim was a result of that.

Mr. Trump’s mood was said to be volatile even before he departed for his weekend in Florida, with an episode in which he vented at his staff. The president’s ire was trained in particular on Mr. McGahn, his White House counsel, according to two people briefed on the matter.

Mr. Trump was said to be frustrated about the decision by Jeff Sessions, his attorney general, to recuse himself from participating in any investigations of connections between the Trump campaign and Russia. Mr. Trump has said there were no such connections. Mr. Trump, who did not learn that Mr. Sessions was recusing himself until after the decision was made, told aides that it gave an opening to his critics on the Russia issue.

Michael D. Shear reported from West Palm Beach, and Michael S. Schmidt from Washington. Reporting was contributed by Matt Apuzzo, Charlie Savage and Eric Lichtblau from Washington, and Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Martin from New York.A version of this article appears in print on March 5, 2017, on Page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: With No Proof,Trump Claims Obama Tapped.
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Re: How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones . . . .

Post by lennygoran » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:03 am

Still down here in Florida but read about this accusation-where`s the evidence and where are trump`s tax returns! Len

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Re: How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones . . . .

Post by jserraglio » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:17 am

Pence and congressional leaders may have to act if Trump escalates his delusional behavior:
The Constitution wrote:Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
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Re: How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones . . . .

Post by lennygoran » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:04 am

I don`t think it will reach that point but one can hope! yesterday on our way to the famous marie selby gardens in sarosota we passed a trump support rally right in downtown sarasota--they were announcing they were the deplorables! Fortunately we got to the garden and I could get that rally out of mind. Len



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Re: How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones . . . .

Post by jserraglio » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:14 pm

The Wash Post has bestowed its coveted 4-Pinocchio Award on Trump for his latest Tweet storm. Unless he is a nutjob, a real possibility, Trump probably intended this as a misdirection move to take the focus off the Russia story over the weekend.

Today he calls for a Congressional investigation in hopes the story will die, just as his absurd voter-fraud conspiracy theory ran out of oxygen after he referred it to Congress. Meanwhile, Trump's credibility even with some of his supporters is further shredded, as for the second time he treats the Congress as his gofer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... 7393ba7209

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Re: How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones . . . .

Post by John F » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:30 pm

Of course the FBI tapped Trump's phones. He was selling out the country to Vladimir Putin. Now we need the FBI to make those wiretaps public. :mrgreen:
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Re: How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones . . . .

Post by jserraglio » Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:18 pm

Trump may well be a witting or unwitting Putin pawn. But why in a misguided attempt to fight back and regain control over an unfavorable news cycle (re: Jeff Sessions & the Russians) would he blow the whistle on his own bugging? Was he not aware that in the end the transcript of any intercepted conversations would be made public? That if no Obama bugs turned up, he would become the proverbial boy who cries wolf?

Raises a question: how stable is Trump's mental state? Respected NYT columnist Thomas L. Friedman suggested seriously on MTP today that the time might soon come when Trump's "football" would be taken away from him. Other pundits now are walking right up to the line of suggesting that for a variety of reasons our POTUS should no longer be assumed to be loyal to the USA.

Today Sean Spicer's office kicked the issue over to Congress and stated that they would have no further comment on the matter:
"President Donald J. Trump is requesting that as part of their investigation into Russian activity, the Congressional intelligence committees exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016 . . . . Neither the White House nor the President will comment further until such oversight is conducted."
Sounds to me like they know that Trump's wee-hours-o'-the-morn SNAFU puts the WH on the spot bigly and are running away fast as they can.

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Trump blasts Obama; Comey undercuts Trump

Post by jserraglio » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:03 pm

Comey Asks Justice Dept. to Reject Trump’s Wiretapping Claim
New York Times: Michael S. Schmidt and Michael D. Shearmarch


full story---> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/p ... hones.html
F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, asked the Justice Department this weekend to publicly reject President Trump’s assertion that President Barack Obama ordered the tapping of Mr. Trump’s phones, senior American officials said on Sunday. Mr. Comey has argued that the highly charged claim is false and must be corrected, they said, but the department has not released any such statement.Mr. Comey, who made the request on Saturday after Mr. Trump leveled his allegation on Twitter, has been working to get the Justice Department to knock down the claim because it falsely insinuates that the F.B.I. broke the law, the officials said.A spokesman for the F.B.I. declined to comment. Sarah Isgur Flores, the spokeswoman for the Justice Department, also declined to comment.

Mr. Comey’s request is a remarkable rebuke of a sitting president, putting the nation’s top law enforcement official in the position of questioning Mr. Trump’s truthfulness. The confrontation between the two is the most serious consequence of Mr. Trump’s weekend Twitter outburst, and it underscores the dangers of what the president and his aides have unleashed by accusing the former president of a conspiracy to undermine Mr. Trump’s young administration.
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Re: Trump blasts Obama; Comey undercuts Trump

Post by jserraglio » Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:55 am

A Conspiracy Theory’s Journey From Talk Radio to Trump’s Twitter
New York Times
by Peter Baker and Maggie Habermanmarch


full story---> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/p ... heory.html
Previous presidents usually measured their words to avoid a media feeding frenzy, but Mr. Trump showed again over the weekend that he feeds off the frenzy. Uninhibited by the traditional protocols of his office, he makes the most incendiary assertions based on shreds of suspicion. He does so without consulting some of his most senior aides, or even agencies of his own government that might have contrary information. After setting off a public firestorm with no proof, he then calls for an investigation to find the missing evidence.

To his adversaries, Mr. Trump’s bomb-throwing seems like a calculated strategy to distract from another story he wants to avoid. In this case, they said Sunday, he clearly wanted to turn the conversation away from Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who recused himself last week from any federal investigation into the Trump campaign’s links with Russia in response to reports that he had met with Russia’s ambassador during the presidential race. Instead of what Mr. Sessions did or did not do, the Sunday talk shows were dominated by discussion about what Mr. Obama did or did not do.
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Re: Trump blasts Obama; Comey undercuts Trump

Post by lennygoran » Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:24 am

Okay let`s change subject from session`s recusement -how about trump recusing himself from the presidency! Len :lol:

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Re: Trump blasts Obama; Comey undercuts Trump

Post by jserraglio » Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:25 am

Inside Trump’s fury: The president rages at leaks, setbacks and accusations
By Philip Rucker, Robert Costa and Ashley Parker
Washington Post


full story---> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 5f9ba69d84
President Trump spent the weekend at “the winter White House,” Mar-a-Lago, the secluded Florida castle where he is king. The sun sparkles off the glistening lawn and warms the russet clay Spanish tiles, and the steaks are cooked just how he likes them (well done). His daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner — celebrated as calming influences on the tempestuous president — joined him. But they were helpless to contain his fury.
Trump was mad — steaming, raging mad.
Trump’s young presidency has existed in a perpetual state of chaos. The issue of Russia has distracted from what was meant to be his most triumphant moment: his address last Tuesday to a joint session of Congress. And now his latest unfounded accusation — that Barack Obama tapped Trump’s phones during last fall’s campaign — had been denied by the former president and doubted by both allies and fellow Republicans.When Trump ran into Christopher Ruddy on the golf course and later at dinner Saturday, he vented to his friend. “This will be investigated,” Ruddy recalled Trump telling him. “It will all come out. I will be proven right.”

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This account of the administration’s tumultuous recent days is based on interviews with 17 top White House officials, members of Congress and friends of the president, many of whom requested anonymity to speak candidly.

Gnawing at Trump, according to one of his advisers, is the comparison between his early track record and that of Obama in 2009, when amid the Great Recession he enacted an economic stimulus bill and other big-ticket items.

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Re: How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones . . . .

Post by Chalkperson » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:29 pm

John F wrote:
Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:30 pm
Of course the FBI tapped Trump's phones. He was selling out the country to Vladimir Putin. Now we need the FBI to make those wiretaps public. :mrgreen:
Don't be so sure that Trump's phone was tapped. The campaign was targeted, Trump might not be as stupid as he looks, he may have never communicated via phone about Russia, only in person.

Carter Page might be the one who brings him down, unless the Russians make him the ninth suspicious death associated with this scandal.
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Re: How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones . . . .

Post by Chalkperson » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:36 pm

jserraglio wrote:
Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:18 pm
Trump may well be a witting or unwitting Putin pawn. But why in a misguided attempt to fight back and regain control over an unfavorable news cycle (re: Jeff Sessions & the Russians) would he blow the whistle on his own bugging? Was he not aware that in the end the transcript of any intercepted conversations would be made public? That if no Obama bugs turned up, he would become the proverbial boy who cries wolf?

Raises a question: how stable is Trump's mental state? Respected NYT columnist Thomas L. Friedman suggested seriously on MTP today that the time might soon come when Trump's "football" would be taken away from him. Other pundits now are walking right up to the line of suggesting that for a variety of reasons our POTUS should no longer be assumed to be loyal to the USA.

Today Sean Spicer's office kicked the issue over to Congress and stated that they would have no further comment on the matter:
"President Donald J. Trump is requesting that as part of their investigation into Russian activity, the Congressional intelligence committees exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016 . . . . Neither the White House nor the President will comment further until such oversight is conducted."
Sounds to me like they know that Trump's wee-hours-o'-the-morn SNAFU puts the WH on the spot bigly and are running away fast as they can.
They took away Nixon's ability to use the Football I believe, Al Haig instigated it in case Nixon got drunk.

this is interesting...from The Arrogance of Power

https://www.theguardian.com/weekend/sto ... 58,00.html
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Re: How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones . . . .

Post by John F » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:21 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:29 pm
John F wrote:
Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:30 pm
Of course the FBI tapped Trump's phones. He was selling out the country to Vladimir Putin. Now we need the FBI to make those wiretaps public. :mrgreen:
Don't be so sure that Trump's phone was tapped.
I'm not sure at all. It's my little joke.
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Re: How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones . . . .

Post by jserraglio » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:40 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:36 pm
They took away Nixon's ability to use the Football I believe, Al Haig instigated it in case Nixon got drunk.
The Donald teetotals. I feel safe.

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Re: Trump blasts Obama; Comey undercuts Trump

Post by jserraglio » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:32 am

Hey, Donald, my phone was tapped too, states former Congressman, Dennis Kucinich.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/ ... pping.html

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