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Flynn

Post by lennygoran » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:14 am

I had to decide between adding this to the Nunes thread or starting this new thread.

I sure enjoyed reading this-especially these words! Regards, Len :D

"Failure to disclose foreign payments is a federal offense that carries a potential five-year prison term. Richard Painter, White House ethics lawyer during the George W. Bush administration, wrote on Twitter: “US House must subpoena the docs. If no compliance, impeach. Zero tolerance for WH covering up foreign payoffs.”

The Flynn Story Isn’t Going Away

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD APRIL 25, 2017


Michael Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, was fired weeks ago, but his ties to Russia keep raising questions this White House won’t answer and dark suspicions it can’t seem to dispel.

Representative Jason Chaffetz, Republican chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and Elijah Cummings, the committee’s top Democrat, got right to the point on Tuesday, saying Mr. Flynn may have broken the law by failing to disclose payments totaling over $65,000 in 2015 from companies linked to Russia. They included $45,000 received from Russian state television for a speech in Moscow; on the same trip, he attended the network’s gala, sitting at the elbow of President Vladimir Putin. With his background, Mr. Flynn clearly knew that the failure to disclose payments on his security clearance forms could have disqualified him for a sensitive national security role.

Mr. Chaffetz also said Mr. Flynn, as a retired general and former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, should have sought permission from the secretary of state and the secretary of the Army for his trip to Russia and for the payment. “I see no evidence that he actually did that,” Mr. Chaffetz said at a news conference on Capitol Hill.

Mr. Cummings said that the White House is stonewalling committee requests for documents related to Mr. Flynn’s hiring and firing, including records of his phone calls and correspondence. Mr. Chaffetz, amazingly, described the White House as “cooperative.” Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, later called the committee’s records requests “outlandish” and “ridiculous.” Which can hardly be called cooperative.

The fact remains, though, that a Republican committee chairman has said Mr. Trump’s first national security adviser concealed payments from Russia while Moscow was under investigation for meddling in the election, and that deepens an already serious problem for this White House.


After Mr. Flynn was fired in February, he disclosed that he’d been working as a foreign agent throughout the campaign, collecting more than $500,000 in consulting fees from a Turkish company with ties to both Ankara and Moscow. He registered as a foreign agent only after he left the White House.

These aren’t simple bookkeeping errors on Mr. Flynn’s part: Failure to disclose foreign payments is a federal offense that carries a potential five-year prison term. Richard Painter, White House ethics lawyer during the George W. Bush administration, wrote on Twitter: “US House must subpoena the docs. If no compliance, impeach. Zero tolerance for WH covering up foreign payoffs.”

If Mr. Chaffetz believes, as he said, that Mr. Flynn may have violated the law, he should unleash his committee’s formidable investigative powers. Yet he has declined to open an investigation, or subpoena the records the White House is withholding. Mr. Chaffetz said on Tuesday that he would defer to existing investigations by the Pentagon and the House Intelligence Committee. What’s really needed is a special prosecutor, because each time this administration is given a chance to clean up its Russia mess, it works instead to keep the facts under cover.



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/25/opin ... egion&_r=0

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Re: Flynn

Post by John F » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:14 am

I don't see that this is going to help us much. Flynn is long since out of government - he was never really in it - and Trump and his crowd are incapable of embarrassment, let alone pressure. Seems likely that his appointees are going to drop out or be pushed out sooner or later, probably sooner, but Trump himself isn't going anywhere.
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Re: Flynn

Post by lennygoran » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:30 am

John F wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:14 am
I don't see that this is going to help us much. Flynn is long since out of government - he was never really in it - and Trump and his crowd are incapable of embarrassment, let alone pressure. Seems likely that his appointees are going to drop out or be pushed out sooner or later, probably sooner, but Trump himself isn't going anywhere.
You're probably right but maybe there's collusion and a Watergate coverup out there! Regards, Len :lol:

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Re: Flynn

Post by arepo » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:54 pm

To use his memorable words.....
Lock him up, lock him up, lock him up!!!
The Trump disaster continues unabated.
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Re: Flynn

Post by jserraglio » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:25 pm

Trump's spin doctors say that Flynn was inconsequential. But most of the questions in today's WH press briefing were about Mike Flynn, so much so that a flustered WHPS Sean Spicer cut them off and exited early. Flynn served as a top-level official in the US govt for almost two years all told. Hired and fired by both Presidents Obama and Trump. Also, worked for Presidents Putin and Erdoğan. Work that he failed to register for and lied about to our government. He was so consequential, holding a valid top-security clearance, that the transition team apparently never bothered to do any additional vetting before Trump named him the NSA advisor.

Flynn was in government all right: the question is which government he was loyal to and what he may now be willing to testify to about his boss's pranks.

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Re: Flynn

Post by lennygoran » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:11 pm

jserraglio wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:25 pm
the question is which government he was loyal to and what he may now be willing to testify to about his boss's pranks.
I heard he has a story to tell! Regards, Len :lol:

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Re: Flynn

Post by jserraglio » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:49 pm

Yes, he can begin by telling us which of the three countries he worked for commands his loyalty.

If Flynn was such a loose cannon, why is the WH stonewalling the release of Flynn data? Put it all out there. This guy served as DJT's chief national security adviser from June 2015 till February 2017. If Trump put Flynn up to the Turkey kidnapping caper, and if the FBI can flip him, Trump may find himself on the outside looking in.
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Re: Flynn

Post by lennygoran » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:00 pm

jserraglio wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:49 pm
if the FBI can flip him, Trump may find himself on the outside looking in.
This or something like it is what I hope for-Comey owes it to us! Regards, Len

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Re: Flynn

Post by jserraglio » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:05 pm

Mike Pence. Likable and limited. Gerald Ford reincarnated? Could there be a pardon in the works?

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Re: Flynn

Post by lennygoran » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:30 pm

jserraglio wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:05 pm
Mike Pence. Likable and limited. Gerald Ford reincarnated? Could there be a pardon in the works?
Let's get him impeached first-then I'll worry about a pardon! Regards, Len

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Re: Flynn

Post by John F » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:49 am

Again, not a chance. The Republican-controlled House won't vote to impeach him, no matter what, and even if they did, the Republican-controlled Senate won't convict him. Not worth even thinking about.

(Of course I was just as sure that Hillary Clinton would win the election. :) Which she did, actually, but she couldn't win the electoral college vote. Imagine how it would be if she were in the White House. But that too isn't worth even thinking about.)
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Re: Flynn

Post by lennygoran » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:56 am

John F wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:49 am
Again, not a chance. The Republican-controlled House won't vote to impeach him, no matter what, and even if they did, the Republican-controlled Senate won't convict him. Not worth even thinking about.

(Of course I was just as sure that Hillary Clinton would win the election. :) Which she did, actually, but she couldn't win the electoral college vote. Imagine how it would be if she were in the White House. But that too isn't worth even thinking about.)
Just because things may not happen doesn't mean they're not worth thinking about-sometimes imagining things can be pleasurable. Regards, Len :lol:

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Re: Flynn

Post by Ricordanza » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:38 am

The latest twist in the Flynn story is that the White House is now blaming the Obama administration for failing to adequately vet Flynn! They are pointing to the 2016 renewal of Flynn's security clearance, which did indeed happen during the Obama administration. But this curious claim fails on (at least) two counts: First (as pointed out this morning on CNN by another former government official), the security clearance renewal is based on the individual's full disclosure in papers filed with the government, and Flynn obviously failed to disclose his payments from foreign governments in those papers. Second, Trump's transition staff had an obligation to vet their appointees to high-level positions, above and beyond the government security clearance.

Just another example of Trump and company blaming someone else for their failures.

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Re: Flynn

Post by jserraglio » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:06 am

In a topsy-turvy world where Hillary can, with a straight face, be labelled a "winner" after losing the only vote that counted, Trump has a decent shot at being impeached, even by the GOP House majority, assuming they are still in the majority come 2018. After all, did they not turn on Nixon when they were in the minority?

Flynn is a key player in the Russia caper. If there were no chance of Trump being laid low, why is the WH so anxious about what he might say: mollifying him at first, then minimizing his role, now stymying release of his records? He is known to be vindictive. Clearly, they are worried about what he might say that would implicate their boss.
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Re: Flynn

Post by John F » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:09 am

Dream on.
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Re: Flynn

Post by jserraglio » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:13 am

You bet I will. Perchance to dream trumps Despair and die!.
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Re: Flynn

Post by lennygoran » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:14 am

jserraglio wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:06 am
He is known to be vindictive. Clearly, they are worried about what he might say that would implicate their boss.
All this has me thinking-different than an impeachment but still...Regards, Len :D

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