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#UsToo — 100 Ohio State wrestlers say team doctor abused them; then Asst Coach Jim Jordan (R. Ohio) denies he knew

Post by jserraglio » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:28 pm

NYT — CLEVELAND — Nick Nutter, an All-American heavyweight wrestler at Ohio State turned professional martial arts fighter, sat watching the television last January as one by one, the young women, former gymnasts — some of them Olympians — took the stand in a courtroom in Michigan, and in wrenching testimony, detailed how their team doctor, Lawrence G. Nassar, had used his power to sexually abuse them.
The memories that Mr. Nutter for so long had tried to bury came surging back, he said: how when he was in college, his team doctor groped him “19 exams out of 20;” how the doctor once called him to his house for an emergency treatment of a poison ivy rash, carefully laid down and smoothed out a white linen sheet on his bed, then repeatedly groped his genitals when he was supposed to be treating the rash — and how for two decades, the burly no-holds-barred fighting veteran had said nothing.
Watching the Nassar trial “woke up the beast,” he recalled at an airport coffee shop here before a flight to Florida for work. Mr. Nutter said he had always believed, “‘He’s a doctor, I’m sure he’s got a reason to be doing it.’” But that was precisely the reasoning that so many female victims of Mr. Nassar had used, and now they were coming forward — many of them half his size but with seemingly so much more courage.
He said he picked up the phone and called his former college teammates to ask, “Are you watching this stuff?’”
“Michigan State is what got us to say, ‘Hey, it can happen even to guys,’” Mr. Nutter said.
More than 100 men have now come forward to say they were molested by Dr. Richard Strauss, a team doctor and physician at Ohio State University from the late 1970s to the 1990s, according to an independent investigation commissioned by the university. Three lawsuits have been filed accusing Ohio State of enabling a sexual predator, putting the school into a new and expanding category that includes Michigan State University, where Mr. Nassar preyed on female athletes and Olympic gymnasts; Pennsylvania State University, where a former football coach, Jerry Sandusky, raped young boys; and the University of Southern California, where a school gynecologist is accused of sexually abusing female students.
Just this week, Ohio State placed the head coach of its storied football team, Urban Meyer, on paid administrative leave while the university investigated allegations that Mr. Meyer knew a longtime former assistant coach had been accused of domestic abuse in 2015.
In some sense, what separates Ohio State’s abuse scandal from others are the victims: young adult men, and many of them muscular wrestlers, left to grapple with pain and anguish they believed they were not entitled to. Having built their identities around traditional notions of toughness and stoicism, many are struggling with a new identity — #MeToo, or in their case, #UsToo.
Complicating it is the assistant wrestling coach at the time, Jim Jordan, who is now a powerful conservative congressman running to be speaker of the House next year. Mr. Jordan has denied knowing anything about sexual misconduct and insinuated that some of the accusers may have political motives.
“People say this is conspicuous that this comes out now,” said Michael Rodriguez, a former wrestler who was abused by Dr. Strauss and who pushed back hard on that notion. “But to me, this is all about #MeToo.”
Mr. Rodriguez recalled watching the news with his 13-year-old daughter last fall when the TV program did a segment on Harvey Weinstein’s sexual misconduct and the broader moment of reckoning it had spawned. “Oh my God — I have one of those,” Mr. Rodriguez told his daughter. “I have a ‘hashtag MeToo.’”
David Mulvin, the captain of the wrestling team in 1978, remembered opening up a local paper and reading that other men had come forward to name Dr. Strauss as their abuser. “My jaw dropped,” he recalled. “I said, ‘So I didn’t do anything wrong.’”
He said he had been masturbated by Dr. Strauss for nearly 20 minutes after seeking treatment for a fungal infection caused by a genital burn from his wrestling gear.
Like Mr. Mulvin, some victims harbored shame and guilt for “leading on” Dr. Strauss, who killed himself in 2005, with the obvious physical response to abuse that female victims could not display, Mr. Nutter explained.
“People felt guilty,” he said of teammates he has spoken to. “I guess they feel like an erection is an agreement. It’s saying, ‘This is something I like.’”
Over drinks at a dive bar here, or seated in the corner of a deli, one weekend last month, the wrestlers reminisced and poked fun at their own reactions to the episodes, roaring with laughter. They acknowledged the tears that female abuse survivors had displayed during the Nassar trial, but, they said, joking about it was, for them, the only socially acceptable way to discuss what happened.
“Society teaches you it’s embarrassing to talk about” sexual abuse, said Steve Snyder-Hill, who said he was groped by Dr. Strauss on a visit to the Ohio State student health center, then filed a complaint against the university in the 1990s. The university responded that it had no other complaints about the doctor. “I think it has everything to do with power. Someone has power over you, and it doesn’t matter what gender you are.”
Nearly every man who has come forward shares a similar story. Regardless of what ailment they had, they said Dr. Strauss’s examination almost always ended with the doctor inspecting and groping their genitals. He always offered an explanation: Men had lymph nodes in their testicles, and he needed to check them out; he was just being thorough.
“When you’d get a lesion or breakout or infection on your face, you took a rough elbow, whatever, the intimacy with which he would conduct that examination was as creepy and inappropriate as the ‘turn your head and cough’ stuff,” Mr. Rodriguez said. “He’d cup your face. You’d be nose to nose. It would be way longer than it should be.”
Over winter break in 1991-2, Mr. Rodriguez said, Dr. Strauss invited him to his private two-story residence a 10-minute drive from campus, extensively examined his genital area, then masturbated him during what should have been a quick inspection of pubic lice.
For many men, those examinations were the first time they had ever seen a doctor without a parent present. One former wrestler joked that he had been groped only once because he “wasn’t Strauss’s type.”
Asked what the doctor’s type was, the wrestler quipped, “naïve.”
While they knew something was not right, many of the men were not ready to call it abuse.
“I didn’t understand myself as a victim,” Mr. Rodriguez said. “I might say Strauss was weird and kind of handsy. It would stop there.”
Mr. Mulvin was so disturbed by his experience that he went to a doctor at the student health center to report what happened. He said the doctor assured him he would make a note of the case and send it on, but it is unclear whether any action was taken, and Mr. Mulvin is now one of several men suing Ohio State.
But he never discussed the episode with his teammates or his coach. As team captain, he said, he thought it was a burden he had to bear alone.
“I’m supposed to be the leader, hold the team together,” he said. “Why would I take” the coaches “a problem like that?”
In weighing how to respond at the time, many of his victims fixated on the fact that Dr. Strauss was much smaller and older than them. And critics have raised the same question: Why didn’t these wrestlers fight back?
Mark Schultz, a former Olympian, Hall of Fame wrestler and U.F.C. fighter, tweeted, “One OSU wrestler Nick Nutter said he was fondled for several minutes in a room full of pics of naked men while he lied there naked. Is that fondling or Is that consent?”
To Mr. Nutter, the question was simply unfair: “I read on the internet, people saying, ‘Why didn’t they just punch him in the face?’ I’m not a violent person. I’m honestly a quiet person. It wasn’t that easy. And in hindsight I wouldn’t have punched him anyway. I don’t hate the guy. He had some demons.”
Besides, a number of wrestlers said, how would it look for a six-foot heavyweight champion, attending college on scholarship, to punch out a rail-thin middle-aged man? If they did and explained why, who would believe them over a doctor?
“They were supposed to be a manly man,” said Dunyasha Yetts, one of the most outspoken former wrestlers from Ohio State. “I think a lot of guys put it in the back of their mind. They said, ‘I’m just going to move on.’”
But as successful as many of them had been at burying those interactions, there are lingering consequences. Mr. Mulvin refuses to see male doctors. A former member of the Ohio State tennis team delayed seeking treatment for eight months when he developed a painful lump on his testicles, according to a lawsuit filed against the university.
To this day, certain memories still tug at them: how Dr. Strauss’s breath smelled as he leaned in to grope them; how strangely long his fingers seemed. For Mr. Nutter, it is a recollection of the doctor smoothing out the wrinkles of the white linen on his bed.
“Little things, I can’t erase it from my head,” he said. “I’ll have those memories of him laying that sheet on the bed forever.”
And though in many ways, the Nassar trial was the impetus of his own reckoning, Mr. Mulvin cannot bear to watch or read any more about it.
“I felt like I was reliving it,” he said. “Every time it’s on TV, I turn it off.”
And while Mr. Nassar’s victims could confront him face to face in court before his conviction, Dr. Strauss’s suicide, for some of his victims, means they will never get closure.
“It took half my life later to find out he was a serial abuser,” Mr. Snyder-Hill said. “I’ll never be able to confront him.”
Marc Tracy contributed reporting from Columbus, Ohio.
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Post by jbuck919 » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:56 pm

I was being sarcastic about football because I can't stand the sport, though obviously I don't approve of any coach abuse. Wrestling is a different matter. It is of course a matter of personal taste, but I have always enjoyed watching it. Around here, if I were still a full-time teacher, I would be a big supporter of it and baseball and not much else. (They don't have tennis teams here but I would be constantly watching for foot-faults, and how much fun is that?)

When I was a boy, and I am not making this up, I followed the column of the original Dear Abby (she was a savvy gal). Some wrestling coach wrote in saying that he always picked one of his boys to have a sexual relationship with. I cannot remember her response, but clearly this is no new phenomenon.

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Post by jserraglio » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:09 pm

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Wrestling is a different matter. It is of course a matter of personal taste, but I have always enjoyed watching it. Around here, if I were still a full-time teacher, I would be a big supporter of it
My high-school wrestling team's Ohio Division I state championship record from 1978-2018: State titles won = 32, titles lost = 9.

Their streak of NCAA AA's — For the last 34 years at least one All-American competing in the NCAA wrestling championship meets was a grad. In 2002 one-third of the All Americans competing at 157 lbs. were grads. All but 1 wrestler were Division I All Americans.

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jserraglio wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:28 pm
In weighing how to respond at the time, many of his victims fixated on the fact that Dr. Strauss was much smaller and older than them. And critics have raised the same question: Why didn’t these wrestlers fight back?
I wonder :roll:
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Post by jserraglio » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:58 am

living_stradivarius wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:30 am
The Times wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:28 pm
In weighing how to respond at the time, many of his victims fixated on the fact that Dr. Strauss was much smaller and older than them. And critics have raised the same question: Why didn’t these wrestlers fight back?
I wonder :roll:
Ah, once again the rebuke (like that not only directed at but often internalized by so many female victims): Why didn't you fight back?
To Mr. Nutter, the question was simply unfair: “I read on the internet, people saying, ‘Why didn’t they just punch him in the face?’ I’m not a violent person. I’m honestly a quiet person. It wasn’t that easy. And in hindsight I wouldn’t have punched him anyway. I don’t hate the guy. He had some demons.”
To me, what the NYT article conveys poignantly is that, muscles and all, these "men' were in fact just adolescents, without even the rudimentary defenses about predatory males that girls erect growing up. Given that and the fact most likely many of them were away from their parents for the first time in their lives, they were easy marks for even a pint-sized adult determined to manipulate them.

If Congressman Jim Jordan knew about this abuse of hundreds of young collegians and did nothing about it, he has a lot to answer for, and not just in the next life.
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Post by RebLem » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:25 am

I don't think Jim Judge is the name. I think you mean Jim Jordan.
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RebLem wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:25 am
I don't think Jim Judge is the name. I think you mean Jim Jordan.
Sorry, I was rushing to a too hasty judgment on our good Congressman from Ohio.

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Post by living_stradivarius » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:43 pm

jserraglio wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:58 am
living_stradivarius wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:30 am
The Times wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:28 pm
In weighing how to respond at the time, many of his victims fixated on the fact that Dr. Strauss was much smaller and older than them. And critics have raised the same question: Why didn’t these wrestlers fight back?
I wonder :roll:
Ah, once again the rebuke (like that not only directed at but often internalized by so many female victims): Why didn't you fight back?
To Mr. Nutter, the question was simply unfair: “I read on the internet, people saying, ‘Why didn’t they just punch him in the face?’ I’m not a violent person. I’m honestly a quiet person. It wasn’t that easy. And in hindsight I wouldn’t have punched him anyway. I don’t hate the guy. He had some demons.”
To me, what the NYT article conveys poignantly is that, muscles and all, these "men' were in fact just adolescents, without even the rudimentary defenses about predatory males that girls erect growing up. Given that and the fact most likely many of them were away from their parents for the first time in their lives, they were easy marks for even a pint-sized adult determined to manipulate them.

If Congressman Jim Jordan knew about this abuse of hundreds of young collegians and did nothing about it, he has a lot to answer for, and not just in the next life.
I'm sorry, but for men, it IS different because of anatomy. There's a degree of complicity/active participation in the young men for going along with it. They could have said no, but they went along with it because it was pleasurable at the time. This doesn't absolve the Doctor, but it certainly doesn't draw the same kind of sympathy one would have for women in the analogous situation. C'mon, these guys are wrestlers...
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Post by jserraglio » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:28 pm

I disagree.

The issue here is the right to live and breathe free from harassment or abuse, not the flaccid or erect state of the male anatomy.

The accusations wielded against these young men not far removed from childhood are not that different from the ones deployed against women. The young women gymnasts at Michigan State could have said no but didn't. Are we then to suppose they enjoyed Nassar's violating them?

Their being wrestlers is not a blank check for anybody to abuse them simply because they are unlikely to challenge one's authority.

Heads will roll b/c of this, and heads should roll. These young men were not complicit in and in no way to blame for their humiliation and abuse. No one, not even those that society-at-large characterizes as big bad dude wrestlers, viz. the WWF in miniature, should have to endure such treatment.

They deserved, and did not get, the same protection that the young women at Michigan State deserved and did not get.
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Post by living_stradivarius » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:52 pm

I'd say 10-90 or maybe 20-80 in terms of responsibility when it comes to these wrestlers. Anatomy does matter, imho, and you really have to have some active participation to just let the Doctor go through with something like this.
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Post by jserraglio » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:03 pm

Are dumb animals now to enjoy better protection from sexual abuse than our own no-longer-child but not-quite-adult kids?
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I'd say 10-90 or maybe 20-80 in terms of responsibility when it comes to these wrestlers. Anatomy does matter, imho, and you really have to have some active participation to just let the Doctor go through with something like this.
By that logic, a 19-year-old kid who is prepped for surgery would be judged up to 20% compliant were he to exhibit an involuntary erection and then be taken advantage of by someone to whose authority he submitted. In that instance, he would not be 20% responsible, nor even 10% responsible. The perpetrator though, he or she, plus anybody else in authority who knew and looked the other way – they all would be 100% culpable.

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jserraglio wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:03 pm
Are dumb animals now to enjoy better protection from sexual abuse than our own no-longer-child but not-quite-adult kids?
living_stradivarius wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:52 pm
I'd say 10-90 or maybe 20-80 in terms of responsibility when it comes to these wrestlers. Anatomy does matter, imho, and you really have to have some active participation to just let the Doctor go through with something like this.
By that logic, a 19-year-old kid who is prepped for surgery would be judged up to 20% compliant were he to exhibit an involuntary erection and then be taken advantage of by someone to whose authority he submitted. In that instance, he would not be 20% responsible, nor even 10% responsible. The perpetrator though, he or she, plus anybody else in authority who knew and looked the other way – they all would be 100% culpable.
I didn't know bestiality laws were there to protect animals!

A 19 year old should know full well what he's getting into with what the doctor did here. And that isn't surgery under anesthesia.
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Post by jserraglio » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:23 pm

With dumb animals, it's not a matter of punishing the 'preverts', but of enforcing simple humanity.

As for those 19-to-22 year-olds at OSU, they needed protection from their predator just as surely as the girls at Michigan State did. Of course, they didn't get it, any more than the girls did.

Why would anyone suppose they would, being the brooding, burly hulks of popular imagination? Instead they now must face the inevitable second guessing — Hey, once you turn 19, you're old enough to know what you're getting into. Nobody put you to sleep. So deal with it.

No wonder victims fear to come forward. You're likely to find yourself very ill treated — maybe even worse than an unwanted dog.

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Post by living_stradivarius » Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:13 pm

More like our young adults need more open sexual education and society should stop being so skittish talking openly about these matters. Take at least some responsibility for where you allow yourself to have your erection, “predatory circumstance” or not. Allowing someone to masturbate you with a full erection IS different from being deceived about a gynecological exam. There is a level of participation here that is gender & anatomically-specific that requires at least some willingness (and therefore responsibility) to participate. Their unwillingness to comeforth stems from the guilt they feel in being at least partially complicit in the act. If they were willing to own up to it, the predator would have been stopped sooner.
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Post by jserraglio » Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:37 pm

Lecturing the young in a hectoring, didactic tone is, in my view, a soothing diversion, but not any less a diversion, despite its protestations about the need for a frank and open discussion about sex. And should finger-wagging fail as it surely would, one can always resort to blaming victims as guilty by dint of their anatomy.

The issue remains: how is the hierarchy of institutions of higher learning to be held accountable for the welfare of their intercollegiate athletes, among many other groups?
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Post by living_stradivarius » Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:51 pm

There isn’t much more that can be done policy-wise, lest we make patting someone on the back inappropriate faculty behavior. What needs to change, if anything, is the culture of sexual repression so that it can no longer be used to mask abuses of power. Fortunately we have already made progress in that regard, hence all the recent revelations of misconduct.
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Post by jserraglio » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:00 pm

That's what college presidents get the bucks for — administration— policy. Wringing their hands powerlessly, or employing reductio ad absurdum (patting on the back is sexual abuse), or blaming the victim — all these are counterproductive. Get on the case, guys.

The recent spate of revelations present a mixed picture at best. But I agree it's a start.

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Post by lennygoran » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:06 am

jserraglio wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:30 am
RebLem wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:25 am
I don't think Jim Judge is the name. I think you mean Jim Jordan.
Sorry, I was rushing to a too hasty judgment on our good Congressman from Ohio.
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Post by jserraglio » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:43 am

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He's my enemy-one of the guys trying to impeach my man Rod! Len
I was being deliberately condescending in calling Jordan a good Congressman. Rather than his impeaching anybody else, it's very possible that, once they release their report on the matter, Jordan himself will be "impeached" by The Ohio State University for abdicating his responsibility to protect their intercollegiate male wrestlers in the 1990s. Jordan is now damaged goods, a diminished figure. His quixotic run for Speaker of the House (come on, third in line to be POTUS, whose leg's he pullin'?) is patently a smokescreen to obfuscate this scandal blossoming in his own backyard.

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Post by lennygoran » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:36 am

Ah thanks for explaining-the Jordan matter seems to be he says, they say-trying to be fair but I'm skeptical he's telling the whole truth-I think he tried to spin it as locker room talk. Anyway I sure don't like his politics. Now one guy I have made up my mind about is trump-I think there's collusion, conspiracy, obstruction, cooperation and possibly even more out there. Len [go mueller go] :D

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Post by jserraglio » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:58 am

Boy talk. Sorry, Honorable Jim, that one's already under trademark.



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