Best/Word Schools in the Nation: Quite Shocking

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Best/Word Schools in the Nation: Quite Shocking

Post by Lance » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:07 pm ... ools-8/11/

Just happened to see this 26 pages of comparisons for schools. Living in the state of New York, it probably will not surprise you that we spend $22,366 per student, the highest of all 50 states; there is a graduation rate of only 80.4% (13th lowest in a study of all 50 states). In Florida, as an example, $8,920 is spent per student with a graduation rate of 80.7% (14th lowest in the study). Florida almost matches New York state in the graduation rate at a fraction of what is spent per student in New York.

A state-by-state look at the report (link shown at top of this page) will shock you. As a New Yorker, spending this kind of money for each student with only an 80.4% graduation rate is appalling; there is something radically wrong here. No wonder New Yorkers are leaving this state more and more while our taxes keep climbing.

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Re: Best/Word Schools in the Nation: Quite Shocking

Post by John F » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:53 pm

Actually, Lance, the populations of New York City and therefore New York State have been increasing for years, not by leaps and bounds but steadily. The only decade of decline was the 1970s, possibly due to the crime wave in NYC. ... Population

I understand that there has been a gradual population decline upstate, but not enough to offset the population increase in NY City.

The graduation rate from NYC public schools last year was lower than in the state as a whole, 75.9%, but showed an increase of 1.7% over the previous year and wasthe highest rate ever in NYC. (Of course the many wealthier New Yorkers mostly send their kids to private schools which aren't included in the statistics.) Graduation rates improved across all ethnicities, with a decrease in the gap between Black and White students and Hispanic and White students:

The graduation rate was 88.1 percent for Asian students in 2018, a 0.6 point increase from 2017.
The graduation rate was 72.1 percent for Black students in 2018, a 2.1 point increase from 2017.
The graduation rate was 70.0 percent for Hispanic students in 2018, a 1.6 point increase from 2017.
The graduation rate was 84.2 percent for White students in 2018, a 1.0 point increase from 2017.

There are any number of reasons why the children of a heterogeneous population like New York City's would fail in school or drop out. Far from being shocked, I was actually surprised that the graduation rate from NYC public schools is as high as it is. There's perhaps less excuse for the graduation rate upstate, but that's your territory, Lance - I wouldn't know about it. The budget per public school student is indeed high, but of all the things government at all levels spends our money on, education bothers me least.
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Re: Best/Word Schools in the Nation: Quite Shocking

Post by Belle » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:17 am

This is very interesting, not least the fact that Asian students outperform most others (in universities as well). Dr. Jordan Peterson was discussing Harvard and university scores and IQ in a recent discussion: the thrust of his remarks revolved around the incremental increase in IQ the world over (partly because of better nutrition) and the fate of those who fall below the line of an IQ of less than 100 (of which there are many). It's a legitimate question; what to do in an increasingly sophisticated world with people who are equipped only for the most basic jobs? And, of course, IQ isn't the only determinant of success or otherwise - there are individual characteristics of motivation, behaviour, discipline, family background etc. which can be thrown into the mix too.

In Australia our government is trying to encourage far more people into Vocational Education and Training courses (skills for trades etc.) instead of university. We seem to have far too many people entering university and huge numbers failing in the first year or so. The cost to the taxpayer is staggering, though we do not have the extent of high student indebtedness that you have there in the USA.

It makes sense to herd people into courses where they are likely to succeed and get a job. We have a national skills crisis with respect mainly to trades (plumbers, electricians, builders etc.) and many of these people end up in their own small businesses.

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