Re-opening issues

[Rach3]

Best ,most comprehensive analysis on re-opening I've read to date:


https://tinyurl.com/y996lu4h

[Barry]

I just found out this morning that I'll likely continue to work at home until at least September. And even when people at my office go back, it will be with a lot of restrictions; the most notable being that we will still be working much of the time at home and only going into the office for limited shifts and not every day in order to allow people to maintain distance.

[Rach3]

NYT today: https://tinyurl.com/yd6mkudo

[Rach3]

NYT 5/12:

" Just three days after some restrictions were relaxed in South Korea, the mayor of Seoul ordered nightspots closed indefinitely after more than 100 new cases emerged from one infected man’s visits to bars and clubs.
In Germany, which has moved into its second major phase of reopening, a measure of viral spread known as R0 has ticked above a crucial threshold for three straight days.
Six new cases have been reported in Wuhan, China, where the global pandemic began. The city has ordered that all 11 million residents be tested in the next 10 days."

[Rach3]

TestIowa:

https://tinyurl.com/y96r4han

[Rach3]

BAKERY: We refuse to serve gay people.
CONSERVATIVES: That is their right!
BAKERY: We refuse to serve anyone not wearing a mask.
CONSERVATIVES: You’re violating our rights!

[Rach3]

New Yorker Magazine article today on Oregon:

“Now it seemed that the independence, the insistence that no one needs the state, meant freedom from any regard for fellow-citizens.”

https://tinyurl.com/yd5jltfq

[Rach3]

Been to Storm Lake,IA recently ? Warning,would be hazardous to your health. We have Trump suckup GOP Governor and Senators ( until November):

https://tinyurl.com/ybbrj5k3

[barney]

Awful news from Minneapolis overnight, Australian time. Riots, looting, fires left to burn, fire trucks stoned. And of course the awful death that sparked it.
Sometimes it seems to me that the US is dismantling before our very eyes.
How America needs a leader, someone with a soul, some one interested in uniting the country rather than urging the spasms. Historians will say - IMHO - that the biggest tragedy of the 21st century for the US was the Trump presidency.
Is worse racial violence possible? Am I just being alarmist?

[barney]

Well I guess it didn't take many hours for my question to be answered.
I don't know where next for the US; it is tearing itself apart.

I am morally certain that China will be looking to take advantage of the US self-immolation,stirring the pot with cyber stirring and hacking, and possibly planning to attack Taiwan.
Against that, I was interested to see tensions rising sharply between China and India over border incursions. Maybe China won't want to bite off too much just now.

I can't help wondering whether Belle and Barry are still celebrating Trump's inspirational leadership. What a man! He'll save America. *

* Not.

[lennygoran]

Trump's inspirational leadership. What a man! He'll save America. *

* Not.

Barney what about this idea of his:

Trump Suggests ‘MAGA’ Fans Gather at White House, While Threatening to Clamp Down on Demonstrations With Military

https://time.com/5845533/trump-george-f ... ite-house/

Regards, Len

[barney]

Yes Len, as I said, what a leader. Working to heal wounds, improve unity, present an example of hard work and compassion. But wait, there's golf to be played.
I'd like to be sarcastic, but he's such a parody it doesn't work. Is there anything at all where he is not a monumental failure as a person, as a human being?
Loved what the Washington mayor said. I think she nailed it: "Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser rebuked the president in her own series of tweets, calling him “a scared man. Afraid/alone” and saying she stood with people peacefully protesting the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis this week."

[lennygoran]

Is there anything at all where he is not a monumental failure as a person, as a human being?

Barney I'm concerned that these riots have taken our minds off of his monumental corona failure-meantime I wonder how much higher the corona peak will be because of all the rioters standing so close to each other and some without masks? Regards, Len

[barney]

Is there anything at all where he is not a monumental failure as a person, as a human being?

Barney I'm concerned that these riots have taken our minds off of his monumental corona failure-meantime I wonder how much higher the corona peak will be because of all the rioters standing so close to each other and some without masks? Regards, Len

Fair point, Len. And, as I opined before, I am deeply concerned that China will profit from this, as they already seem to be. As one columnist wrote, the US no longer has the strength or will for another cold war, which requires unity and determination. China has that in spades, the US is too busy tearing itself apart. I fear you will be a second-tier power, like Germany or Russia (ie, not negligible, but not vital), in a decade, while one of the most repulsive regimes in history, the CCP, dominates the world. And Australia, which has slavishly followed US policy for decades, will be left high and dry. But even that would be far better than Australia aligning itself with China.

[Rach3]

The NYT science writer Donald McNeil sums up the self-centered,spoiled,narcisstic attitude prevalent here:

“But I think a lot of states reopened pretty willy-nilly after pressure from small businesses and citizens who were out of work and frustrated by lockdown and who had not seen the virus hit anyone they knew yet,” Donald told us. “A lot of those states — Texas, Florida, Arizona, North and South Carolina, etc. — are now seeing cases and hospitalizations rise.”

1776: " I regret that I have but one life to give for my Country." 2020: " I regret that you have but one life to give for me."

[lennygoran]

The NYT science writer Donald McNeil sums up the self-centered,spoiled,narcisstic attitude prevalent here:

I've seen him interviewed a lot on MSNBC-very impressed by him! Regards, Len

[Rach3]

NO doubt the pandemic has caused huge, very real economic problems for many, but too many Americans not suffering such effects ( about 75 % of the workforce recently) are ignoring the science, predictions,guidelines. Despite short - term benefits, and as traumatic as pandemic has been, those affected may want to consider the longer-term effects if premature re-openings lead to more illnesses ( including effect of their own illness or their families' or their customers' or their employees' or their employers' or their co-employees' ) , lead to overwhelmed health care systems, lead to lack of public confidence that any activity is safe ; and if re-openings lead to delays in developing vaccines or cures , or lead to illness loads that overwhelm cure supplies or render vaccines too late.Small businesses in some States are now reportedly re-closing after customers infected their employees.A bad response to the pandemic effects may not be better than no response.

[Rach3]

A bad response to the pandemic effects may not be better than no response.

https://people.com/health/health-care-w ... orida-bar/