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when Donald Trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin

Post by lennygoran » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:03 am

Mr. Caputo predicted that the president would win re-election in November, but that his Democratic opponent, Joseph R. Biden Jr., would refuse to concede, leading to violence. “And when Donald Trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin,” he said. “The drills that you’ve seen are nothing.”

I first heard about this on Rachel's show-this guy is handling CDC matters. Regards, Len :(

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Trump Health Aide Pushes Bizarre Conspiracies and Warns of Armed Revolt

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Michael R. Caputo told a Facebook audience without evidence that left-wing hit squads were being trained for insurrection and accused C.D.C. scientists of “sedition.”


By Sharon LaFraniere

Sept. 14, 2020

WASHINGTON — The top communications official at the powerful cabinet department in charge of combating the coronavirus made outlandish and false accusations on Sunday that career government scientists were engaging in “sedition” in their handling of the pandemic and that left-wing hit squads were preparing for armed insurrection after the election.

Michael R. Caputo, the assistant secretary of public affairs at the Department of Health and Human Services, accused the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of harboring a “resistance unit” determined to undermine President Trump, even if that opposition bolsters the Covid-19 death toll.

Mr. Caputo, who has faced intense criticism for leading efforts to warp C.D.C. weekly bulletins to fit Mr. Trump’s pandemic narrative, suggested that he personally could be in danger from opponents of the administration. “If you carry guns, buy ammunition, ladies and gentlemen, because it’s going to be hard to get,” he urged his followers.

He went further, saying his physical health was in question, and his “mental health has definitely failed.”

“I don’t like being alone in Washington,” Mr. Caputo said, describing “shadows on the ceiling in my apartment, there alone, shadows are so long.” He also said the mounting number of Covid-19 deaths was taking a toll on him, telling his viewers, “You are not waking up every morning and talking about dead Americans.” The United States has lost more than 194,200 people to the virus. Mr. Caputo urged people to attend Trump rallies, but only with masks.

To a certain extent, Mr. Caputo’s comments in a video he hosted live on his personal Facebook page were simply an amplified version of remarks that the president himself has made. Both men have singled out government scientists and health officials as disloyal, suggested that the election will not be fairly decided, and insinuated that left-wing groups are secretly plotting to incite violence across the United States.

But Mr. Caputo’s attacks were more direct, and they came from one of the officials most responsible for shaping communications around the coronavirus.

C.D.C. scientists “haven’t gotten out of their sweatpants except for meetings at coffee shops” to plot “how they’re going to attack Donald Trump next,” Mr. Caputo said. “There are scientists who work for this government who do not want America to get well, not until after Joe Biden is president.”

A longtime Trump loyalist with no background in health care, Mr. Caputo, 58, was appointed by the White House to his post in April, at a time when the president’s aides suspected the health secretary, Alex M. Azar II, of protecting his public image instead of Mr. Trump’s. Mr. Caputo coordinates the messaging of an 80,000-employee department that is at the center of the pandemic response, overseeing the Food and Drug Administration, the C.D.C. and the

“Mr. Caputo is a critical, integral part of the president’s coronavirus response, leading on public messaging as Americans need public health information to defeat the Covid-19 pandemic,” the Department of Health and Human Services said in a statement.

Mr. Caputo’s Facebook comments were another sign of the administration’s deep antipathy and suspicion for its own scientific experts across the bureaucracy and the growing political pressure on those experts to toe a political line favorable to Mr. Trump.

This weekend, first Politico, then The New York Times and other news media organizations published accounts of how Mr. Caputo and a top aide had routinely worked to revise, delay or even scuttle the core health bulletins of the C.D.C. to paint the administration’s pandemic response in a more positive light. The C.D.C.’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports had previously been so thoroughly shielded from political interference that political appointees only saw them just before they were published.

Mr. Caputo’s 26-minute broadside on Facebook against scientists, the news media and Democrats was also another example of a senior administration official stoking public anxiety about the election and conspiracy theories about the “deep state” — the label Mr. Trump often attaches to the federal Civil Service bureaucracy.

Mr. Caputo predicted that the president would win re-election in November, but that his Democratic opponent, Joseph R. Biden Jr., would refuse to concede, leading to violence. “And when Donald Trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin,” he said. “The drills that you’ve seen are nothing.”

There were no obvious signs from administration officials on Monday that Mr. Caputo’s job was in danger. On the contrary, Mr. Trump again added his voice to the administration’s science denialism. As the president visited California to show solidarity with the fire-ravaged West, he challenged the established science of climate change, declaring, “It will start getting cooler.” He added: “Just watch. I don’t think science knows, actually.”
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Mr. Caputo’s remarks also dovetailed in part with those of Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime confidant of both Mr. Caputo and Mr. Trump. Mr. Stone, whose 40-month prison sentence for lying to Congress was commuted by the president in July, told the conspiracy website Infowars on Friday that Mr. Trump should consider declaring martial law if he lost re-election.

Grant Smith, a lawyer for Mr. Stone, was among the followers who had joined Mr. Caputo’s talk on Sunday. Mr. Caputo has 5,000 Facebook friends, and his video was viewed more than 850 times. He has now shut down his account.

Over all, his tone was deeply ominous: He warned, again without evidence, that “there are hit squads being trained all over this country” to mount armed opposition to a second term for Mr. Trump. “You understand that they’re going to have to kill me, and unfortunately, I think that’s where this is going,” Mr. Caputo added.

In a statement on Monday, Mr. Caputo told The Times: “Since joining the administration, my family and I have been continually threatened” and harassed by people who have later been prosecuted. “This weighs heavily on us, and we deeply appreciate the friendship and support of President Trump as we address these matters and keep our children safe.”

He insisted on Facebook that he would weather the controversies, saying, “I’m not going anywhere.” And he boasted of the importance of his role, stating that the president had personally put him in charge of a $250 million public service advertising campaign intended to help the United States return to normal.

The Department of Health and Human Services is trying to use that campaign to attract more minority volunteers for clinical trials of potential Covid-19 vaccines and to ask people who have recovered to donate their blood plasma to help other infected patients. Department officials have complained that congressional Democrats are obstructing the effort.

While Mr. Caputo characterized C.D.C. scientists in withering terms, he said the agency’s director, Dr. Robert R. Redfield, was “one of my closest friends in Washington,” adding, “He is such a good man.” Mr. Caputo is partly credited with helping choose Dr. Redfield’s new interim chief of staff.

Critics say Dr. Redfield has left the Atlanta-based agency open to so much political interference that career scientists are the verge of resigning. The agency was previously seen as mostly apolitical; its reports were internationally respected for their importance and expertise.

Mr. Caputo charged that scientists “deep in the bowels of the C.D.C.” walked “around like they are monks” and “holy men” but engaged in “rotten science.”

He fiercely defended his scientific adviser, Dr. Paul Alexander, who was heavily involved in the effort to reshape the C.D.C.’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports. Mr. Caputo described Dr. Alexander, an assistant professor at McMaster University in Canada, as “a genius.”

“To allow people to die so that you can replace the president” is a “grievous sin,” Mr. Caputo said. “And these people are all going to hell.”

A public relations specialist, Mr. Caputo has repeatedly claimed that his family and his business suffered hugely because of the investigation by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. Mr. Caputo was a minor figure in that inquiry, but he was of interest partly because he had once lived in Russia, had worked for Russian politicians and was contacted in 2016 by a Russian who claimed to have damaging information about Hillary Clinton.

Mr. Caputo referred that person to Mr. Stone and was never charged with any wrongdoing. Mr. Caputo later wrote a book and produced a documentary, both entitled “The Ukraine Hoax,” to undermine the case for Mr. Trump’s impeachment.

Mr. Caputo worked on Mr. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign for a time but was passed over for a job early in the administration. He remained friendly with Dan Scavino, the former campaign aide who is now the deputy chief of staff for White House communications and played a role in reconnecting Mr. Trump and Mr. Caputo.

Some of Mr. Caputo’s most disturbing comments were centered on what he described as a left-wing plot to harm the administration’s supporters. He claimed baselessly that the killing of a Trump supporter in Portland, Ore., in August by an avowed supporter of the left-wing collective was merely a practice run for more violence.

“Remember the Trump supporter who was shot and killed?” Mr. Caputo said. “That was a drill.”

The man suspected in the shooting, Michael Forest Reinoehl, was shot dead this month by officers from a federally led fugitive task force in Washington State. He “went down fighting,” Mr. Caputo said. “Why? Because he couldn’t say what he had inside him.”

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Re: when Donald Trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin

Post by Rach3 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:29 am

At Trump's indoor rally in Nevada yesterday, those attendees sitting behind Trump did not put masks on ( handed out by Trumps staff just before TV cameras started to roll) until TV cameras rolled. Almost no one else packed in wore masks.Trump said he's not worried about the " killer " virus ( as he described it in April to Woodward) because he said his supporters, ie lab mice, are kept far away from him. The shooting will start from Trump crazies who Trump has convinced he can only lose if election rigged , and that he's entitled to 3 or 4 terms, not just 2, if he wins. Odds at 50/50 US military may have to save America ?

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Re: when Donald Trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin

Post by barney » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:58 pm

This guy Caputo is a typical Trump appointee, now that all the adults have left the room. He is deranged, or malevolent, or stupid, or very likely all three.
Indeed, he admits the first charge.

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Re: when Donald Trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin

Post by jserraglio » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:24 pm

barney wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:58 pm
This guy Caputo is a typical Trump appointee, now that all the adults have left the room. He is deranged, or malevolent, or stupid, or very likely all three.
Indeed, he admits the first charge.
For Roosevelt, a brain trust; Lincoln, a team of rivals; Trump, his flock of felons.

Roger Stone has just called for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law after he wins re-election.
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Post by Rach3 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:55 pm

Trump says Biden a pedophile :

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/15/politics ... urce=twCNN

Trump supporters are complicit.

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Post by barney » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:01 pm

Trump just gets more loathsome and despicable every passing day.

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Post by Ricordanza » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:12 am

He went further, saying his physical health was in question, and his “mental health has definitely failed.”
Caputo has correctly diagnosed himself. There are various forms of psychosis, but delusional thinking is a common thread in these mental diseases.

In any other government or private sector business, this guy would be placed on medical leave to seek treatment. But in the Trump administration, he's considered a model employee.

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Post by barney » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:31 am

Ricordanza wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:12 am
He went further, saying his physical health was in question, and his “mental health has definitely failed.”
Caputo has correctly diagnosed himself. There are various forms of psychosis, but delusional thinking is a common thread in these mental diseases.

In any other government or private sector business, this guy would be placed on medical leave to seek treatment. But in the Trump administration, he's considered a model employee.
Yes, he clearly has paranoia, among whatever other mental conditions. Unless someone actually does shoot him in the next few days, when I'll admit he had a point.

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Post by Ricordanza » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:39 pm

Ricordanza wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:12 am
In any other government or private sector business, this guy would be placed on medical leave to seek treatment. But in the Trump administration, he's considered a model employee.
Maybe not such a model employee. It was just announced that he's going on a 60-day medical leave.
Top Trump health appointee taking medical leave after insurrection remarks
By
Yasmeen Abutaleb,
Josh Dawsey and
Lena H. Sun
September 16, 2020 at 5:01 p.m. EDT
The Department of Health and Human Services’ top communications official is going on medical leave, three days after urging President Trump’s supporters to prepare for an armed insurrection and accusing scientists in his own agency of “sedition,” HHS announced Wednesday.

Michael Caputo, assistant secretary for public affairs at HHS, leveled the accusations and promoted other conspiracy theories in a Facebook Live event on Sunday.

HHS said in a statement released early afternoon that Caputo would be on leave for the next 60 days to “focus on his health and the well-being of his family.” That means he will be gone until after the Nov. 3 election.

The agency also said that Paul Alexander, a top aide to Caputo, would be leaving the agency permanently. Alexander came under scrutiny in recent weeks for his efforts to exert control over the messages coming from scientists and top health officials, including the content of weekly science reports from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, to make them conform to the president’s assertions that the virus is under control.

In a statement, Caputo said he decided to take a temporary medical leave to “pursue necessary screenings for a lymphatic issue discovered last week.” He added that he has been losing weight for months, which he initially attributed to a new exercise and diet regimen before realizing something might be wrong.

Caputo also said violent threats against his family had contributed to his stress level. He expressed thanks to Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a member of the White House coronavirus task force, for conferring with his personal physician. (Fauci is among the scientists Alexander had sought to instruct on what he could say.)

“My experience mirrors that of many Americans,” Caputo said in his statement. “Every American battling COVID — in every city in every state across the nation — has been under enormous pressure. I am just one of them.”

White House aides began discussing putting Caputo on leave Monday afternoon but he was initially resistant, said White House officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions.

Caputo’s comments on Facebook Live stunned many inside the administration, who said he had done the event without approval, and then left aides struggling to find the video. “The great irony is he wanted to control everyone else’s appearances,” one senior administration official said.

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Post by barney » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:30 pm

Great timing! :lol:

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Post by Rach3 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:13 am

AG Barr stated yesterday he thinks the Mayor of Seattle should be indicted on Federal crime of sedition or similar Federal crime for having allowed a "police-free zone" to be established for awhile in her City, and protesters likewise charged.He indicated he would overrule local , junior DOJ pursuing lesser charges.He did not include right-wing protesters in his suggestion.His henchman John Durham is putting together a phony report on Russia-FBI 2016. Barr also said virus shutdown,stay home orders are unconstitutional, as bad as slavery.A Trump-appointed Judge in PA invalidated that State's orders as unconstitutional invoking a "substantive due process"standard from a 1920's era Supreme Court case used by the right-wing judiciary of the time to strike down progressive legislation like working hours, a standard and case that had,until now, been effectively overruled by subsequent SCT cases.Trump has made it clear if he loses election he will not step down as he can lose only if election rigged.He said yesterday he will order the US military against protesters if there any "riots" on Election Day.His criminal buddy Roger Stone said yesterday that if Trump wins,Trump should immediately declare martial law in the whole US, and reports are the Pentagon is researching what to do if Trump invokes the Insurrection Act.Polling suggests an alarming number of GOP voters feel all vote by mail is fraudulent.

We will probably not have an election result until 2-4 weeks after Nov.3. Trump wont concede if loses.There will be violence.At this point, it may well require enough in the military and citizenry willing to take to the streets to combat the Trump Reich, even though Trumpsters own more guns.Trump is worse than King George or Hitler as mandman Trump ,his suckers, sycophants, band of criminals and neo-Nazis , may have managed what the other two could not, extinguish American democracy.

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Post by jserraglio » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:30 am

You appear to be questioning Herr Barr. Do you not realize that Herr Barr is not to be questioned? U.S. attorneys are just 'preschoolers', junior grade, according to Herr Barr.

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Post by barney » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:55 am

Surely this is the most slimy, incompetent, despicable US Administration ever. Barr should be in jail.

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Post by Rach3 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:18 pm

barney wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:55 am
Surely this is the most slimy, incompetent, despicable US Administration ever. Barr should be in jail.

I’m thinking of ex-pat locales to move to if Trump is not gone, perhaps Norway, New Zealand or Nova Scotia, although some right wing nut in Norway recently nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Post by barney » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:58 pm

New Zealand is definitely the one. I was brought up there and am still an NZ citizen (along with UK and Australia). I think it's most beautiful country I've seen, from Norwegian-style fjords in the south, lakes, glaciers and imposing mountains flanked by rolling English countryside on one side and majestic remote beaches on the other, topped by the glorious Marlborough Sounds (all South Island), ranging through grape country, challenging hill ranges, farmland, fern-covered rainforest, a desert area, a geothermal area, then South Pacific island scenery in the north. All within 1000 miles or so.
Australia and the US have amazing scenery, but it is spread so wide. Sri Lanka is lovely. Ah well, there's no shortage of lovely countries, but whether they will let you in, tainted as your nation is by this Administration .... :D

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Post by lennygoran » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:56 am

barney wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:58 pm
Sri Lanka is lovely.
Barney I was there back in the 1970's-it was called Ceylon then-very exotic! I remember beautiful Botanical Gardens at a town named Kandi. Regards, Len

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Post by barney » Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:18 pm

lennygoran wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:56 am
barney wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:58 pm
Sri Lanka is lovely.
Barney I was there back in the 1970's-it was called Ceylon then-very exotic! I remember beautiful Botanical Gardens at a town named Kandi. Regards, Len
I was there in 1980 as a backpacker. I remember breakfasting on fresh pineapple, 20 cents each, which I would share with local children. I couldn't do that now, sadly, as an elderly white man without attracting suspicion but I trust I do not need to say it was totally innocent. In Colombo I stayed in (from memory) the RSL hostel which warned you to put your backpack in their strong room to keep it away from rats. I woke up in the middle of the night to see a rat sitting on my pillow staring at me. It skittered away.
I don't know when Australians will travel again - at present you need a permit to leave the country! - but I fear I am far too addicted to comfort to travel backpack-style again.

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Post by Belle » Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:59 am

More paranoia and fear from the Left in this thread; the very things they accuse conservatives of doing. As I and many others have said multiple times before, when the Left accuses others it is telling us all about itself.

Take a chill pill. Or a red one.

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Post by lennygoran » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 am

barney wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:18 pm
but I fear I am far too addicted to comfort to travel backpack-style again.
Barney when Sue and I were first married we did some camping but not for a long time-those days are long gone! Regards, Len [fellow addict] :)

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Post by barney » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:09 pm

A teenager recently spoke to me derisively of glamping - the sort of camping where you have a shower and a tent. I smiled and didn't disagree, but even glamping is too uncomfortable, I suspect. Can't say for sure, as I've never done it. But I have no appetite for squatting over a hole in the ground I've dug myself. Sorry if that is too graphic an image.

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