Highly respected Oncologist warns about cancers rising from Covid vaccines

[Belle]

This is deeply concerning and this man is no mug; you can Google his credentials. He talks about the rise of recurrent cancers, particularly Melanoma, and others which doctors have noted a spike in since Covid 19 vaccines and boosters. My spouse has had Melanoma since the Vaccine and had a biopsy yesterday for another suspected one! My son had it at 39 years, after Covid vaccine. I'm worried about him now.

Drs. Bret and Heather Weinstein have been warning about this for about 3 years and for their trouble they have been ridiculed and were summarily booted from YouTube. Do not expect your government to tell you about this!

Don't forget that King Charles and Princess Kate have both had cancer at the same time. What could they possibly have in common, apart from being in the Royal Family. This deserves much greater investigation. Meantime, don't go near another booster. Take the advice of a world-renowned cancer specialist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxBz-jHDy_w&t=449s

[Lance]

This was one of the biggest fears I had when the big deal was to "get the vaccine." I've never had covid, neither has the Mrs., though both of us had two shots each, no boosters. "If you don't do it, Lance, you're crazy!" It was the rage, and even business places required that you get it (universities and other institutions and workplaces, and you had to prove it). There wasn't enough study done on any long-time problems that "might" develop from getting vaccinated. It took years of study to know that smoking caused lung cancer. As for covid, we had no choice in many cases: we must protect ourselves. And we are now reading that all the talk about masks, alcohol cleaners for hands, sprays for doorknobs and surfaces became the thing to do. Some still do. I basically stopped doing all that and most of the people I know are no longer following those "policies." I've noticed, too, that my eyes have worsened somewhat over the last three years. Maybe that's just age; I see fine but perhaps not the fine print as well. The simple fact is: NOBODY KNOWS FOR 98% SURE. We become like puppets on strings.

[Belle]

Lance, I've got square eyes but that's from reading too much research for a boring law project for my sister!! (BTW, dry eyes cause blurry vision.)

We were forced into Covid vaccine and you rightly say that literally years of research went into finding the link between smoking and cancer. We are the guinea pig generation. OK, but my beautiful son got Melanoma at 39 - it was a Stage 2 - and because he was working for the former PM of Australia in parliament house he was forced to get the vaccine. And you know what? He's had Covid twice badly since then (when neither his wife nor baby got it), even though he and we were told emphatically we couldn't get it and couldn't pass it onto others. Such lies. The building supervisor on our new home told me in 2022 that he had been told that if he didn't get the vaccine he would be sacked. The fellow, aged 37, ended up in hospital for 2 weeks with side-effects.

Big pharma had a hand in all this and, as I said, government definitely will not tell you anything about this doctor's findings. I see huge compensation cases afoot. And I want government out of our faces, now and forever.

[jserraglio]

don't go near another booster. Take the advice of a world-renowned cancer specialist.

Thank you for reminding me, Belle. I am due for a booster, my fifth iirc, and will get it this spring.

Furthermore, I too have noticed something truly alarming.

The incidence of human stupidity has been in the rise for each of the past 3 years, just as folks were being vaccinated.

Also, I’m sure you’ve noticed, people are aging, sickening and dying ever since the lockdown was lifted.

Can this be mere coincidence??!!



It must be the vaccine! The vaccine is to blame!!

[Belle]

I'm not getting to into a battle of wits with somebody who's unarmed.

[jserraglio]

I'm not getting to into [sic] a battle of wits with somebody who's unarmed.

So sorry, I had thought ignorance and superstition were what you were hawking here, not wit.

First, your nationalist nativism hymned the blessings of British colonialism; that was followed hard upon by roleplaying a BLM reactionary; soon after, bitter anti-feminism became the norm; then a trendy turn blowing off climate-change; shortly thereafter we were steeped in the amorous juices of tyrannophilia; and now, at long last, in the wake of RFK, Jr., anecdotal anti-vaxxing.

The only question left is what will pop out of your tattered grab bag next? Theosophy??!!

[lennygoran]

and now, at long last, in the wake of RFK, Jr., anti-vaxxing.

Joseph this reminds me of something I watched just yesterday after taping it. I know little about Bill Maher but over the years saw a few short clips and he seemed to be very bright and very funny. Still I don't have HBO but recently he does an hour show on CNN every Saturday. The one I watched yesterday started with interesting discussions with Fareed Zakaria and Mark Esper-then he switched into a long series of comments on the covid vaccine with alot of mocking smartass lines that may have gone on for 10 minutes. I sure didn't expect this as someone who has taken every shot for covid and shingles I could get my arms on. Regards, Len

PS-googling I found this:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-is-cn ... bill-maher

[jserraglio]

googling I found this:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-is-cn ... bill-maher

Thanks. The points made in this thread are based on anecdotes of one sort or another and on the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy.

But the height of misinformation published here comes with the absurd comparison to establishing the causal link between smoking and lung cancer.

Oh yeah, in the throes of a pandemic, we had decades to tease out the COVID vaccine’s side effects before using it! Tell that to my mother who died alone! Tell it to my Eagle Scout, math teacher, basketball-coach colleague! Tell it to 1,000,000 other dead Americans! Tell it to the arsehole who suggested they drink bleach!

F-ing unbelievable!!

[lennygoran]

Oh yeah, in the throes of a pandemic, we had decades to tease out the COVID vaccine’s side effects before using it! Tell that to my mother who died alone! Tell it to my Eagle Scout, math teacher, basketball-coach colleague! Tell it to 1,000,000 other dead Americans! Tell it to the arsehole who suggested they drink bleach!

F-ing unbelievable!!

Joseph a moment I'll never forget! Regards, Len

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57zJr82dhQ

[Rach3]

The points made in this thread are based on anecdotes of one sort or another and on the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy.

Indeed. Seems melanomas have been increasing since at least 2009, with both ups and downs period 2021 -2024:

https://www.aimatmelanoma.org/facts-statistics/

AIM is not recommending against COVID vaccines.Nor is CDC , nor is CDC forcing all to take:

"Last week, the CDC said people 65 and older should receive an additional dose of the updated COVID-19 vaccine this spring. The recommendation also applies to immunocompromised people, who were already eligible for an additional dose.

Older adults made up two-thirds of COVID-19-related hospitalizations between October 2023 and January 2024, so enhancing protection for this group is critical."

[diegobueno]

One of my retired co-workers didn't get vaccinated in 2020 because she was convinced by friends that the Covid vaccine was, for some reason, more dangerous than the disease. She died of Covid before the year was up. Another friend, a lyricist I worked with in the past, went to the hospital with some other ailment in 2020, contacted Covid while there and died.

Covid is serious stuff. So many lives could have been saved had the administration in 2020 moved quickly with an effective vaccination policy. Fortunately, more recent iterations of the virus have not been so lethal, or there are enough vaccinated people to blunt their effects.

But this anti-vax nonsense is really and truly shameful!! Anti vaxxers are literally killing people! Please don't pay attention to quacks!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bret_Weinstein
"Like his brother Eric Weinstein, he is considered part of the intellectual dark web.[3][4] Weinstein has been criticized for making false statements about COVID-19 treatments and vaccines, and for spreading misinformation about HIV/AIDS."

[jserraglio]

Woolly headedness is what passes for logic these days. Come the next outbreak, we may be hanging witches.

• You got to understand, after we vaccinated our 15-month-old for measles, mumps and rubella, she was diagnosed with autism though she was totally fine before she got those shots. So, MMR vaccine must be causally linked to autism. QED.

[Rach3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bret_Weinstein
"Like his brother Eric Weinstein, he is considered part of the intellectual dark web.[3][4] Weinstein has been criticized for making false statements about COVID-19 treatments and vaccines, and for spreading misinformation about HIV/AIDS."

Thanks for the link.Per Wiki,Weinstein is a proponent of using ivermectin to treat, avoid COVID.He apparently is also a buddy of Joe Rogan,Jordan Peterson, and Glenn Loury.He does not appear to be a doctor MD , but rather a PhD. evolutionary biologist.

[Holden Fourth]

From my persepctive (and mine alone) the response to Covid didn't match the data at the time and I'll come back to that as it's important if we are to use the gift of hindsight to make sure we never make these mistakes again. The response to Covid was ill conceived (panicked would be a better word) and eventually involved the use of at least three drugs that had not been thoroughly vetted via extensive clinical trials that any other new pharmaceutical product must (as mandated by the FDA and our own TGA). When I heard that a drug had been quickly and miraculously? produced (based on previous work two decades ago on SARS by university medical researchers from the UK and Germany) I just couldn't get the word thalidomide out of my brain.

The mass hysteria generated at the time by our media and our ruling officials will probably only ever be matched if WWIII starts. This hysteria, of course, was reflected in the general population. We willingly allowed ourselves to be imprisoned in our own homes or, if we were stupid enough to have travelled somewhere, in a prison of the governments choice - usually a cramped hotel room. I won't go into the serious breaches of human rights and lack of humanity perpetrated by governments at all levels bu the stories I've got from Queensland alone are quite shocking.

The ever changing rules and regulations were hasty, poorly thought out and were constantly changed and replaced with little effect. Some of them were even more bizzare than the concept of Ivermectin. What has to be understood is that these were mandates only and if you didn't follow them you could be penalised by something that wasn't written into law but that didn't seem to matter (Australia never initiated a state of emergency at any stage)? The worst of those mandates was compulsory vaccination for a wide variety of the populace in Australia. I was bitterly opposed and if I'd been a tradie I could have maintained my opposition with little ill effect to my personal circumstances. However, as a teacher, the government forced my employers to demand proof of vaccination or I would have had to cease my employment.

And then came the absolute clincher! After being told by government for months and months on end that if you got the jab you would not get Covid, the goal posts began to change position. It went from "Yes, you might get Covid but it's effects will be minor" to eventually that "You could still get full blown Covid but hopefully the numbers will be small". If you read between the lines here it became very obvious that Astra Zeneca, Moderna, Pfizer, etc weren't actually working at all, in fact they were absolutely useless as they didn't stop you getting the disease. On top of that there has been no empirical evidence published to show that they actually worked and I'd been forced to put these into my system which I regret to this day.

Some of you reading this will already have come up with the now time worn platitudes reagarding the necessity of the measures taken and you are entitled to these beliefs. However, entitlement is not the point, it's how you came about these beliefs that are salient. Throughout the pandemic I refused to blithely believe what I was being told by both my government and mainstream media (for the reasons explained above) and sought out the only thing I knew I could rely on - pure data.

I used a couple of well known continuously updating data websites to try and determine what the hell was going on. The question on my mind was not about my chances of getting Covid but my chances of dying from it. When I crunched the numbers I knew we were being fed bull crap. I calculated, at the time, based on death rates in Australia, that my chances of succumbing to Covid were between .001% and .002%. There were other far more likely candidates to end my term on the planet than this (and yes I did the data research). I had no known comorbidities which decreased my chances significantly further.

To provide some food for thought I'm going to mention what became a dirty word at the time - Sweden. Their approach was radical compared to other nations and they stuck to their guns until the pressure of the media finally got to them. However, what must be remembered is that they did this at what was the supposed height of the pandemic when there were no vaccinations available. They allowed their citizens to move about freely and applied restrictions where they would do the most good such as rest homes, intensive care units, hospitals, etc. Yes, their death rate suddenly rose and you'd expect that they would have been very badly off in the end but that's not the case. Let's now use some of that hindsight again so here are some statistics for Sweden As of April 3 2024

Total number of recorded cases: 2,753,953 this is about 22% of the population
Total number of recorded deaths: 27,390 which is 1% of the people who got it.
You can reinterpret this data in a positive spin as:

75% of the population didn't get Covid (or were asymptomatic which is justs the same anyway)

78% of the population who got the disease survived one or more case of Covid - many of those before vacinnations were available.

99.998% of Swedes survived the pandemic

..and the rest of the world mocked them!

Before you start to compare other countries statistics let's look at one inescapable fact. If you were a Swede you had a 99.998% chance of NOT dying from Covid.

As far as data goes, it's hard to determine how many of those that died had serious comorbidities but looking at the age range data from my sources it would conservatively have been well over 95%.

Surely this whole Covid thing qualifies as nothing more than a storm in a teacup scenario when you step back and look at it from the point of view of pure data. What a pity our governments and the WHO in particular didn't take a little bit of time to really see what was happening instead of initiating a world wide pandemic of one of the worst afflictions ever - knee jerk reaction!

[Belle]

I agree with everything you've said and it was all carried out in the name of 'safetyism' - as if there is any such preposterous notion on this planet of ours. Having government acting as your nanny is anathema to my thinking and that of our whole family. We want them the hell out of our lives and will never follow the herd.

Our son was working for PM Morrison during this historic period and he's never said a word about it at all, so I've got no idea what that experience was like. Suffice it to say the former PM personally acknowledged and thanked our son in his valedictory speech in parliament a few weeks ago.

All I know is that I continued to vent my outrage that a generation of younger people were being asked to sacrifice their jobs, health and futures to save baby boomers and older cohorts - especially in nursing homes where, as they say, 'pneumonia is the elderly person's best friend'. I remember writing that here and being accused of being a 'granny killer' or such shallow tripe. My eldest son lost his wine-making business; OK there was some other issues, but this tipped the whole thing over the edge. Thousands of people, especially in Victoria, lost businesses and people couldn't attend funerals of their loves ones. A whole world of Orwellian proportions with a compliant public falling into line because of FEAR. That four-lettered word which guarantees any government can control the people. My sister used to make her adult sons and daughter stand outside on the back veranda when they came to visit!!

The opportunity cost is still high with Drs. Heather Heying and Bret Weinstein having been banished from YouTube for daring to question 'the science'. When you consent to this kind of authoritarianism it's going to be you next - up on the scaffold, come the revolution!

In the meantime, we're taking a damn close look at the findings of oncologists and other medical specialists. They've found a 'spike' in cancers after remission. That may also be a consequence of patients being unable to receive treatments during the pandemic (yes, they've had to make the sacrifice to 'keep us safe'), but this would be factored into the findings.

How do I 'keep safe' on planet earth when I go out daily in a car, visit a public place with coughing and spluttering people, fly in an aircraft, possibly trip over a dog or rammed by a scooter or bike on the walking paths. What you do is "risk assessment", as Holden did before his bilateral knee surgery. And keep your state open, as Ron DeSantis did!!!

During a phone conversation just now our son in Perth had to ring off because a worker had been bitten by a nasty spider while doing his job. I'll bet he was thinking he'd be 'safe' when he went off to work this morning.

[jserraglio]

At the height of the pandemic in 2021 Belle sang the praises of two "hugely intelligent men" who were touting Ivermectin as a COVID cure. She cited a YouTube video that I watched at the time before it was deemed so hugely dangerous by YT moderators that it was taken down. https://www.classicalmusicguide.com/vie ... nt#p515555

Wonderful discussion from two hugely intelligent men. Very disturbing. The dead hand of 'correct' thought has deadly consequences for medicine. Starts at 5 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn_b4NRTB6k

So now, after all the verbiage, the smokescreens, the woolly logic, the anecdotes, the trotting out of statistics unrelated to the proposed link between COVID vaccine and cancer, what’s the bottom line on the topic of this thread??

Don't forget that King Charles and Princess Kate have both had cancer at the same time. What could they possibly have in common, apart from being in the Royal Family. This deserves much greater investigation. Meantime, don't go near another booster. Take the advice of a world-renowned cancer specialist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxBz-jHDy_w&t=449s

Are we to believe that cancers arise from taking the COVID jab, or not? Until I see more than alarmist poppycock from one whose evidence is yet another YouTube video tagged with a warning label & two hugely different cancers in the Royal Family, I shall go ahead and schedule my next booster shot with utter peace of mind.

[Rach3]

With due respect:

22 % of the Swedish population got sick !? 1 in 5 !! Ask any of them how much fun that was, time missed from work, financial losses /strains, worries about getting worse, some hospital stays, long COVID yet today ?

1 % of the sick died ! 27000 ! NO big deal ??!!

What is the % chance of death by COVID risk one should be comfortable taking for ones self before one bothers to take sensible,readily available precautions ? Because one does not like being told what to do or be inconvenienced ? 1% ? .5 % ? What is the % risk we should be able to impose on others because we dont want to take precautions ourselves ? My thresholds are both 0 %.

Yes, I may be struck by a car today or shot or have a fatal heart attack. There are no vaccines for those.

And of course, even that Swedish data, and in USA,elsewhere,ignores as it must what the numbers would have been, spread had been, had no precautions been taken, no vaccines, no masks,no distancing,etc. In short, thank goodness precautions were advised and taken by many of us and that as a result most of us (my vaccinated 70yrs. wife) did not get sick at all or only mildly ill ( vaccinated 75yrs. me), and also benefitted from the good sense and civic responsibility of all the others who also did take the precautions.

[jserraglio]

1 % of the sick died ! 27000 ! NO big deal ??!!

Most of them were already co-morbid with preexisting conditions. Besides, that death toll is unacceptable only if one bullheadedly persists in thinking like a human. The Anthropocene has given way to the Techniticene.

Surely this whole Covid thing qualifies as nothing more than a storm in a teacup scenario when you step back and look at it from the point of view of pure data.

[lennygoran]

1 % of the sick died ! 27000 ! NO big deal ??!!

Most of them were already co-morbid with preexisting conditions. Besides, that death toll is unacceptable only if one bullheadedly persists in thinking like a human. The Anthropocene has given way to the Techniticene.

Joseph what trump did was inexcusable! I remember the anxiety of waiting on the phone to finally get the covid shots for me and Sue. And did I like wearing the mask-not really-still I wasn't going anywhere where it wasn't required. Those who chose to take a chance on covid-that's there the problem but it's like with cigarettes-do what you must but not around me! Regards, Len

Trump told Bob Woodward he knew in February that COVID-19 was 'deadly stuff' but wanted to 'play it down'
"It's not just old people," Trump told Woodward, acknowledging the gravity of the disease, The Washington Post reported.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... s-n1239658

[jserraglio]

I remember the anxiety of waiting on the phone to finally get the covid shots for me and Sue. And did I like wearing the mask-not really-still I wasn't going anywhere where it wasn't required. Those who chose to take a chance on covid-that's there the problem but it's like with cigarettes-do what you must but not around me! Regards, Len

Hi Len,
Yeah, it's pretty upsetting to remember seeing refrigerator trucks in my beloved NYC full of dead bodies, and then 4 years later to read unsubstantiated assertions about the perils of vaccine.

The response to Covid was ill conceived (panicked would be a better word) and eventually involved the use of at least three drugs that had not been thoroughly vetted via extensive clinical trials that any other new pharmaceutical product must (as mandated by the FDA and our own TGA).

In his book Commander of Cheat; How Golf Explains Trump, Rick Reilly, the sportswriter, said of that MAGA manipulating candidate for President: "Trump lies about his lies." So who knows whether or not to believe what he told Woodward? Donald might not have believed it himself.

[lennygoran]

Yes, it's pretty upsetting to remember seeing refrigerator trucks in my beloved NYC full of dead bodies, and then to listen to lectures about it 4 years later by ninnies. My mother died alone in a nursing home, not of Covid but because of Covid. So I'm afraid I don't take kindly to superstitious old wives' tales being bandied about in this thread.

Joseph can understand everything you say-that's why the Maher comic stuff came as a complete surprise to me-one bad covid denial joke after another and applause after each one. It's like those trying to say there wasn't a coup attempt on Jan 6th. I sat there for 4 hours watching it live on TV-these thugs are today called hostages? Regards, Len

[jserraglio]

Hey Len,

We are now denizens of a photoshopped world.

Regarding Maher, his jests back up what Trump told Woodward about people wanting to hear only happy talk.

Another bit from Reilly’s book. At Mar-a-Lago a woman met Melania, commented on her beautiful accent, and asked her where she was from. “Slovenia,” Melania replied. “Say Austria,” Trump advised. “It sounds better.”

[Rach3]

Regarding Maher, his jests back up what Trump told Woodward about people wanting to hear only happy talk.

From STAT News today ( in part ), more data:

https://www.statnews.com/2024/04/03/lea ... e=hs_email

" The leading causes of death haven’t changed since 1990 — with one glaring, pandemic-sized exception.

According to the latest analysis of the Global Burden of Disease study, which reviewed deaths from 288 causes in over 200 states and territories, Covid-19 was the only condition that broke into the ranks — if only for two years — of the global population’s traditional top five killers: ischemic heart disease, stroke, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, and lower respiratory infections. In 2020 and 2021, Covid-19 was the second-leading cause, pushing stroke to third position.


The study, published Thursday in The Lancet, is the most comprehensive effort to quantify health gains and losses around the world. It found that the years 2020 and 2021 undid a lot of earlier success in increasing life expectancy, which had risen by 6.2 years between 1990 and 2019, only to fall by 1.6 years globally during the pandemic (with another 0.6 years attributed to pandemic-related causes). And while the progress continued in some pockets (for instance, in East Sub-Saharan Africa) even during the pandemic, the report also points to persisting inequities...."

[diegobueno]

And of course, even that Swedish data, and in USA,elsewhere,ignores as it must what the numbers would have been, spread had been, had no precautions been taken, no vaccines, no masks,no distancing,etc. In short, thank goodness precautions were advised and taken by many of us and that as a result most of us (my vaccinated 70yrs. wife) did not get sick at all or only mildly ill ( vaccinated 75yrs. me), and also benefitted from the good sense and civic responsibility of all the others who also did take the precautions.

Exactly! Good sense and civic responsibility. Remember that? Remember the days when you looked after your neighbor and did things that benefitted the community? The days when people didn't whine about their precious "freedoms" at moments of crisis when asked to do things for the common safety and common good? Today civic responsibility is derided as "Safetyism", and "Me first" is paraded as a virtue. This is what the radical right has brought us.

[jserraglio]

Exactly! Good sense and civic responsibility. Remember that? Remember the days when you looked after your neighbor and did things that benefitted the community?

That seems long ago now that we are ensconced in the Techniticene and asked to view reality as just so many data points:

Surely this whole Covid thing qualifies as nothing more than a storm in a teacup scenario when you step back and look at it from the point of view of pure data.

Outside a NYC hospital, the body of a COVID victim is transferred from the hospital to a refrigerated truck parked on a side street. Workers are building a ramp to facilitate the transfers. Photo: Patrick Schnell, M.D.

(CNN) The bodies of New York City coronavirus victims are still being stored in refrigerated trailers converted into makeshift morgues during the height of the pandemic one year ago, according to the medical examiner's office.

[Holden Fourth]

That seems long ago now that we are ensconced in the Techniticene and asked to view reality as just so many data points:

So you are happy to not have the data? Suits me.......now I have this wonderful bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell you for a great price. It's been in the family for generations and I've got this old deed of sale here as proof of ownership........

Techniticene

Hunted high and low for this but couldn't find a source for it anywhere via dictionaries, thesauri or media quotes. Are we inventing our own words now?

[jserraglio]

Techniticene

Hunted high and low for this but couldn't find a source for it anywhere via dictionaries, thesauri or media quotes. Are we inventing our own words now?

If it’s possible to misspell a word I coined, I did it—it should have read “we are ensconced in the Technethocene”, in other words, the start of a new geological epoch, dominated by AI.

[Holden Fourth]

Techniticene

Hunted high and low for this but couldn't find a source for it anywhere via dictionaries, thesauri or media quotes. Are we inventing our own words now?

If it’s possible to misspell a word I coined, I did it—it should have read “we are ensconced in the Technethocene”, in other words, the start of a new geological epoch, dominated by AI.

Thanks for sharing - must be impossible to misspell words that you've created yourself. Have you submitted it to the Oxford Standard Dictionery or similar?

[jserraglio]

Oxonians don’t cotton to brash Yanks that tinker with their mother tongue.