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Munchausen

Post by karlhenning » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:25 am

A couple of months ago, Gilliam at last released an edition of The Adventures of Baron Munchausen with commentary and 'extras'. the commentary is by Gilliam together with Chas McKeown, who co-wrote the script with him, and played Adolphus.

I give it all a thumb's-up.

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Re: Munchausen

Post by absinthe » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:47 am

I've understood that Gilliam neither approved of the Hollywood release nor was he paid for it. I haven't liked two of his films: this and 12 Monkeys and concluded my response to Munchausen was essentially because it isn't his. It could also be because I came upon Josef von Báky's version With Hans Albers first, a nice piece of Goebellian propaganda but an excellent film.

I didn't like 12 Monkeys because the film it drew upon, Marker's La Jetée, seemed to get to the point faster and better.

I've been moderately happy with Gilliam's other films, however.

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Re: Munchausen

Post by karlhenning » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:20 am

absinthe wrote:I've understood that Gilliam neither approved of the Hollywood release nor was he paid for it. I haven't liked two of his films: this and 12 Monkeys and concluded my response to Munchausen was essentially because it isn't his. It could also be because I came upon Josef von Báky's version With Hans Albers first, a nice piece of Goebellian propaganda but an excellent film.

I didn't like 12 Monkeys because the film it drew upon, Marker's La Jetée, seemed to get to the point faster and better.

I've been moderately happy with Gilliam's other films, however.
Must not be your thing. If the best his films do for you is "moderate happiness," no doubt you prefer other movies to Munchausen and Twelve Monkeys.

Certainly, you must follow your own cinematic bliss.

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Crikey, I’d just spent ten minutes chiselling a reply, and the forum software timed me out. Ten minutes’ work lost. Botheration.

Ah well, we shake ourselves off, and get on with it.

Given the byzantine narrative of financing for and production of Munchausen, could well be that he was not paid for it. But you puzzle me a bit with questions of approval of the release. There was not with Munchausen (as there had been with Brazil) a tussle over the final cut. (Well, on this DVD I learn that Gilliam had agreed to shaving four minutes off Munchausen, to bring the running time to two hours, because he had been told that if he made that concession, the studio would be behind the film. That proved not to be the case.) The actual nature of Gilliam’s quarrel was a matter of publicity and distribution. I’ve never gotten anything like the impression that Gilliam disliked the resulting film – and, on the contrary, I’ve frequently heard, read, and even (on this DVD) seen him say that no matter how hideous or disastrous things felt on the set, when they later watched the rushes, what they saw was magical, and gracious, and reflected none of the horror of the ‘birthing’. Gilliam was shell-shocked by the process, and felt abandoned by the studio when the film was in the can, yes. Because of evaporating budget, two sequences had to be handled otherwise than they had been storyboarded; but in at least one case (the moon), Gilliam found that he much preferred their makeshift Plan B, truly making an artistic virtue out of necessity. I think you are under a serious misapprehension if you believe that Munchausen “isn’t his.”

As for Twelve Monkeys, of course, you can dislike whatever you choose, for whatever reasons you like. Heck, you could prefer Webern to Brahms (or Kyd to Shakespeare) because they “get to the point faster and better.” In such an expanded narrative, many things more than the original point, also become the point; and there is a great deal I like and admire in Twelve Monkeys which must not be any part of the source short.

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~Karl
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Re: Munchausen

Post by absinthe » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:00 am

Hey, calm down a bit. Don't get your knickers in a twist. :lol:

All I said was I did not especially like [the two named] of Gilliam's films. That's called an opinion. I didn't expect to get sprayed with words like some mafia shootout telling me what I already know: that it's up to me to like what I will and dislike what I will. But thanks all the same. :D And if you think those are the best of his films, nice. Don't forget Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.


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