The Heartbreak of the Shallow Bench

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The Heartbreak of the Shallow Bench

Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:24 pm

Of course, after Keyes' stunning victory against Barak Obama in Ill. last year, the Republican's are eager to try this carpetbagger thing again.

They need a deeper bench. They got to stop relying on these all-purpose successful generic Republicans moving from state to state to shore up their numbers.



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Non-Contiguous Carpetbagger Eyes Governor's Race

With Governor George Pataki slumping in the polls and not likely to run for a fourth term, New York Republicans are desperate for a high-profile candidate to run against state Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, the almost-certain Democratic nominee. Assuming Rudy Giuliani doesn't change his mind, influential GOPers seem to have settled on an import: former Massachusetts Governor Bill Weld.

Mr. Weld's candidacy is not wholly improbable. He was born in New York and returned to New York in 2000 to work as an investment banker after completing seven years as governor of the Bay State. New York magazine reports that Mr. Weld tells friends that he has been approached by high-level GOP officials about running. The thinking is that as a former official in the Reagan Justice Department, he would have law-enforcement credentials to rival those of Mr. Spitzer. While Mr. Weld has never overworked himself as a campaigner, he proved to be a tough debater in a series of televised exchanges with John Kerry when he challenged the Democratic senator in a losing race in 1996. And there is his ability to use his connections to raise money. "He is the only guy I know who could plausibly raise big bucks in two states," quips one GOP insider.

-- John Fund
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Post by Ralph » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:39 pm

Generally, New Yorkers don't like carpetbaggers. The late Senator Buckley was a conspicuous exception but I don't think Weld can be sold here.
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Post by Donald Isler » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:34 pm

I can think of another carpetbagger who was elected to the Senate in NY in 1964, though in fairness, he did partly grow up here.
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Post by jbuck919 » Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:29 am

Ralph wrote:Generally, New Yorkers don't like carpetbaggers. The late Senator Buckley was a conspicuous exception but I don't think Weld can be sold here.
Er, there have been a couple of other carpetbagger senators. Robert Kennedy, as Werner points out, and, um, the current one of the distaff side.

Still, the governorship is is not the senate, and, I have to agree with Ralph, just on the basis of being a New Yorker, I don't see them electing a furriner to that job. It is the difference between recruiting prestige and bringing in a ringer.

Looks like the Democrats get New York back. Tee hee hee. (Too bad this doesn't mean automatic abolition of the death penalty that gave us Pataki in the first place.)

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Post by Corlyss_D » Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:32 am

Does anybody know why Rudi nixed the job?
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Post by jbuck919 » Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:08 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:Does anybody know why Rudi nixed the job?
Rudolph Giuliani is not a well man. His illness, reported at the time as prostate cancer (and I have no reason to think it is anything else) is what kept him from running again for mayor of New York.

Every time I seem to be saying things that must be obvious to Ralph (and now I've done it twice on this thread) I wonder if I missed a moment of either wit or dismissiveness on his part. You see what an effect you have when you comment by omission, Ralph old boy?

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Post by Corlyss_D » Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:28 pm

jbuck919 wrote:Rudolph Giuliani is not a well man. His illness, reported at the time as prostate cancer (and I have no reason to think it is anything else) is what kept him from running again for mayor of New York.
I could be wrong, but I thought hizzoner's job was term-limited. I know the prostate cancer decided him not to run against Her Clintonship in 2000. Personally, methinks it was fate that kept him in the job so he could be there for 9/11.
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Post by Werner » Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:02 pm

I'll grant you he was there for 9/11 and performed heroically. But as I see it usefulness is strictly limited to the sort of performance he gave as Mayor, even apart from 9/11 - he put himself on the line and paid that extra amount of attention. I must admit that in spite of that, I still don't like him for any other office - let him make money and not be troubled by an unfavorable prognosis on the prostate front.

As to the lady you so disdainfully call Her Clintonship, we should have more people who perform as she does. That has certainly caused the carpetbagger thing to fade in any but the most prejudiced mind - of course, that was the same objectionraised in the case of RFK.

By the way, John, you give me too much credit - that point was made by Donald, not by me. You'll understand that when it comes to that correction, Das Muss Sein!
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Post by Corlyss_D » Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:27 pm

Werner wrote: As to the lady you so disdainfully call Her Clintonship, we should have more people who perform as she does.
{Where's the emoticon for barfing}

Damn right I disdain her and everything she so calculatedly stands for, when and if she ever stands for anything. You NYers got exactly what you deserve. I don't want anyone in office who has groomed herself to run for almost 40 years. Forget it! No way! Uh-hu! Never! Over my dead body! "You can have her. I don't want her! She's too much for me."

By "perform as she does," you must mean running for prez. {{{{Shudder}}}}

I had enough Clinton to last me the rest of my natural life and then some during the transition in 1992 before he ever got to office, where I realized things were only going to get terribly worse, and that's from someone who voted for him. He's a creation of her tactical smarts and his slap-happy charm. She, on the other hand, is all tactics and no charm. You can have her. You keep her. I don't want her anywhere nearer the levers of power than she got as Mrs. Prez.
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Post by Ralph » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:16 pm

jbuck919 wrote:
Ralph wrote:Generally, New Yorkers don't like carpetbaggers. The late Senator Buckley was a conspicuous exception but I don't think Weld can be sold here.
Er, there have been a couple of other carpetbagger senators. Robert Kennedy, as Werner points out, and, um, the current one of the distaff side.

Still, the governorship is is not the senate, and, I have to agree with Ralph, just on the basis of being a New Yorker, I don't see them electing a furriner to that job. It is the difference between recruiting prestige and bringing in a ringer.

Looks like the Democrats get New York back. Tee hee hee. (Too bad this doesn't mean automatic abolition of the death penalty that gave us Pataki in the first place.)
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Post by Corlyss_D » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:19 pm

Ralph wrote: Senator Clinton and her husband actually live in Chappaqua-it's not just a mail address. Several my friends see them regularly.
Well, they sure as hell didn't when she filed for the Dem nomination. But then, as the Robert Kennedy case shows, NY is an easy lay when it comes to the right kind of politician cartpetbagging there.
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Post by Werner » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:33 pm

Well, Corlyss, what we're in now is the Republican march to bankruptcy, so elegantly started by the sainted Ronald Reagan and boldly interrupted by Clinton. The reason Bush won't complete it is that his time will run out. And we sure don't need a continuation in that dismal dorection.

And if Hillary did not use the best methods to try to fix the healthcare mess, at least it was an honest attempt, sabotaged by the disreputable and misleading "Harry and Louise" ads. Result? We have the most technically advanced medical profession - will have until our faith-based totalitarians will give a chance to the likes of India, China, and Singapore to educate their young.

In the meanwhile we have Bush's proud achievement in Medicare - the Pharmaceutical and Insurance Company Protection Act. Our heaalth statistics are not in the leading position we should occupy, and our wonderful private-enterprise market sector is piling bureaucracy on top of bureacracy, adding to our extravagant cost of delivering health care.

We need a rescue team. In 1980 I voted for "ABC" - anyone but Carter. John Anderson had my vote, although I knew what that would lead to. At that time the coice was that bad. I certainly hope for something better in '08. Or do we have to do penance for our misdeeds the last two times?
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Post by Corlyss_D » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:45 pm

Werner wrote:Well, Corlyss, what we're in now is the Republican march to bankruptcy, so elegantly started by the sainted Ronald Reagan and boldly interrupted by Clinton.
We really need that emoticon . . .

Reagan's tax cuts lead to the booming economy 1987-2000. Clinton didn't have anything to do with it except that he didn't succeed in foisting Hillary's socialist health care system on the economy and the election of 1994 gave him a cost cutting Congress.
And if Hillary did not use the best methods to try to fix the healthcare mess, at least it was an honest attempt
Baloney. It was an attempt to wed the straying electorate to the Democrats for the next generations and stop the hemorrhage of traditional Democratic voters to Republican politicians. It failed in the end because it didn't convince the public.
In the meanwhile we have Bush's proud achievement in Medicare - the Pharmaceutical and Insurance Company Protection Act.
Yes, it was a bad piece of legislation. I didn't like it either. It's a farce.
In 1980 I voted for "ABC" - anyone but Carter. John Anderson had my vote
As you saw, that "Any body but X" strategy won't elect anybody. It didn't work then, it didn't work in 04, it won't work in 08.
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Post by Werner » Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:19 pm

We can hope, can't we?

After all, the problems have only gotten worse.

How long can a trusting public be misled?And this time the incumbent won't be a candidate.
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Post by jbuck919 » Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:39 pm

Ralph wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:
Ralph wrote:Generally, New Yorkers don't like carpetbaggers. The late Senator Buckley was a conspicuous exception but I don't think Weld can be sold here.
Er, there have been a couple of other carpetbagger senators. Robert Kennedy, as Werner points out, and, um, the current one of the distaff side.

Still, the governorship is is not the senate, and, I have to agree with Ralph, just on the basis of being a New Yorker, I don't see them electing a furriner to that job. It is the difference between recruiting prestige and bringing in a ringer.

Looks like the Democrats get New York back. Tee hee hee. (Too bad this doesn't mean automatic abolition of the death penalty that gave us Pataki in the first place.)
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Senator Clinton and her husband actually live in Chappaqua-it's not just a mail address. Several my friends see them regularly.
I know that (well, not the part about your friends). But they only moved there so she could run for Senate. By the way, I don't mind any of this. I hated James Buckley, whose main virtue was that he was too much of a lightweight to be a serious conservaive force, but Bobby Kennedy was and Hilary Clinton is a damned good senator. I'd recruit the talent from Neptune if that's where we have to go to find it.

You will remember that Buckley's brother William once ran for mayor of New York, and when asked what was the first thing he would do if elected, replied, 'Demand a recount."

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:44 am

Werner wrote:How long can a trusting public be misled? And this time the incumbent won't be a candidate.
Of course, I don't think they were misled in the fundamentals.
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