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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:55 am

I hear Ricky Martin of La Vida Loca fame has volunteered to act as a spokesman for disaffected Muslim youth. I'm not making this up.

Also, in view of the fact that the blind sheik now rotting in a US jail, but from which he has continued to manage his terrorist affairs with little interference, offed moderate Muslims who dared to criticize him when he was free, I say we put them on a desert island with the pedophiles.


Blair proposes ouster of radicals
By Mara D. Bellaby

ASSOCIATED PRESS
August 6, 2005

LONDON -- Prime Minister Tony Blair proposed strict anti-terror measures yesterday that would allow Britain to expel foreigners who preach hatred, to close extremist mosques and to bar entry to Muslim radicals.

"The rules of the game are changing" as a result of last month's bomb attacks, Mr. Blair said.

The proposals, which also target extremist Web sites and bookshops, are aimed primarily at excluding radical Islamic clerics accused of whipping up hatred and violence among vulnerable, disenfranchised Muslim men.

"We are angry. We are angry about extremism and about what they are doing to our country, angry about their abuse of our good nature," Mr. Blair said. "We welcome people here who share our values and our way of life. But don't meddle in extremism because if you meddle in it ... you are going back out again."

The July 7 suicide attacks on London's transit system and the failed July 21 attacks stunned Britons and raised new concerns about the freedoms Britain offers to individuals and groups known for extremist activities.

Mr. Blair said the focus of the anti-terror proposals was on foreigners because authorities think "the ideological drive and push is coming from the outside."

Some members of Britain's Muslim community, estimated at 1.6 million to 1.8 million, expressed concern that moderate Muslims would be subjected to new prejudices and restrictions.

But one prominent Muslim welcomed the move and said it was long overdue.

"Day after day these lunatics on our behalf ... are really messing up our lives here," Omar Farooq of the Islamic Society of Britain told the British Broadcasting Corp.

Britain has been criticized for trailing its European neighbors in responding to the growing threat of terrorism.

Since last month's attacks, France has expelled two extremist Muslim prayer leaders and plans to ship home eight others. Italian authorities deported eight Palestinian imams.

Some British officials feel human rights restrictions have hampered Britain's ability to deport foreigners. As a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights, Britain is not allowed to deport people to a country where they may face torture or death.

Mr. Blair is hoping that by winning pledges from countries where deportees would not be subjected to inhumane treatment, Britain can take a tougher line. An agreement has already been reached with Jordan, and London is talking to Algeria, Tunisia and Egypt.

Under the proposals, anyone who preaches hatred or violence could be deported, those linked to terrorism would be automatically refused asylum and steps would be taken to make it easier to strip naturalized citizens of their British citizenship if they preach violence.

The government also will consider a request from police and security services to hold terror suspects for three months without charge. The limit now is 14 days.

New powers would be created to allow the closure of mosques that foment extremism.

It isn't immediately clear how the measures would have affected those suspected of carrying out last month's attacks.

Three of the four July 7 bombers, who killed at least 56 persons including themselves, were Pakistani Britons; the fourth moved from Jamaica as a child. At least three of the four men in custody for purportedly carrying out the botched attacks July 21 were immigrants from East Africa.

The proposals, however, could affect their ideological leaders, as well as people such as jailed Egyptian-born cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, who has encouraged the killings of Jews and other non-Muslims and is wanted in the United States, and Omar Mahmoud abu Omar, a Palestinian Islamic extremist better known as Abu Qatada.

Sheik Omar Bakri, who has frequently shrugged off accusations that he preaches extremism, criticized Mr. Blair's proposals, particularly suggestions that he could be targeted for remarks made years ago.

"If they believed what I said was illegal, why didn't they arrest me at the time. They know my work well," he said. "However, I feel I've done a great service for Muslims. I've addressed the anger and frustration so many youth feel."
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Post by Brendan » Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:54 pm

Couldn't help but think of a letter to the editor in last week's Sydney Morning Herald:
It seems the leaders of some ethnic and religious groups in Australia spend a great deal of time and energy trying to change our way of life into the type of culture they were happy to leave in the first place.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:04 pm

Brendan wrote:Couldn't help but think of a letter to the editor in last week's Sydney Morning Herald:
It seems the leaders of some ethnic and religious groups in Australia spend a great deal of time and energy trying to change our way of life into the type of culture they were happy to leave in the first place.
I have been worried about that very thing for decades. Not about the Muslims - there are too few of them - but about the Latinos, and not because of they themselves so much as because of their activists who decided to model their civil rights movement after the blacks.
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Post by Ralph » Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:00 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
Brendan wrote:Couldn't help but think of a letter to the editor in last week's Sydney Morning Herald:
It seems the leaders of some ethnic and religious groups in Australia spend a great deal of time and energy trying to change our way of life into the type of culture they were happy to leave in the first place.
I have been worried about that very thing for decades. Not about the Muslims - there are too few of them - but about the Latinos, and not because of they themselves so much as because of their activists who decided to model their civil rights movement after the blacks.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:28 pm

Ralph wrote:The movement for black Civil Rights remains a model of other minorities encountering pervasive discrimination.
There is some difference in style depending on where in the US the Latinos are concentrated. The Texas group didn't follow the in your face confrontational style as much as the California group does. As a result, the Texas group has assimilated much better and gone farther in terms of political power with much greater support/acceptance from the white community than the California bunch have.
Don't focus on the fringe groups or media stars who represented illegal calls for action.
It's hard to chalk up the linguistic disaster in California to "fringe groups."
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Post by Corlyss_D » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:12 pm

So much for the pronouncements of his early political death last spring. Gordon Brown goes back to the on-deck circle, while Tony enjoys a well-earned reversal of misfortune.

Jewish World Review August 9, 2005 /4 Meanachem-Av, 5765

Mugged by reality

By Frank J. Gaffney, Jr.
In announcing last week a sweeping crackdown in Britain on the "evil ideology" of coming to be known as Islamofascism, Prime Minister Tony Blair declared that "the rules of the game have changed." So, it would appear has he.


In fact, Mr. Blair has become an exemplar of the old adage that a "conservative is a liberal who has been mugged." The two bombing attacks on London's mass-transit systems, perpetrated mostly by home-grown Islamist suicide bombers (actual or would-be), not only mugged Britain's recently reelected leader, but his country, as well.


As a result, Tony Blair appears to have broad popular support for abandoning his past, disastrous political correctness — a stance he had clung to even after the September 11th hijackers mugged a great many American liberals (at least temporarily). Gone was his previous commitment to allow Islamist communities to operate impunity in Britain, even those that made no secret of their sympathies with and support for terror. (The extent to which Islamofascists cynically took advantage of this tolerant attitude was evident in an undercover journalist's chilling account published on August 7 by the Sunday Times of London under the headline "While London reeled under attack, the teachers of extremism were celebrating — and a Sunday Times reporter was recording every word.")


By contrast, on August 5, the Prime Minister announced that he was "absolutely and completely committed" to ensuring that those foreign clerics and others who come to Britain and condone, glorify or justify terrorism are deported. Ditto those "actively engaged" with websites, bookshops, networks and organizations considered to be inciting hatred. Two such organizations, the radical Islamofascist Al Mujahiroun and its successor, Hizb-ut-Tahira, were proscribed. Mosques where such activities are allowed to take place will be shut down. Asylum will no longer be granted terrorists or their sympathizers. And British nationals engaging in speech that promotes terror risk being stripped of their citizenship and deported or incarcerated.


Suffice it to say, Tony Blair's mugged-liberal response to terror attacks in the United Kingdom makes the USA Patriot Act look like the ACLU's fondest dream. It is also a reminder of the sorts of infringements on civil liberties that may be demanded by Americans if the Patriot Act were not to be renewed and/or terrorists succeed in attacking this country again with devastating effect.


Unfortunately, if Mr. Blair has had an epiphany about the gravity of his past underestimation of the danger posed by Islamofascism at home, he seems as yet unwilling (or perhaps, given his domestic preoccupations at the moment, simply unable) to recognize the ominous implications of the errors of his ways abroad. Specifically, even as the Prime Minister is trying to shut down the safe haven for terror he and his predecessors have permitted in Britain, he continues to insist that a new safe haven be afforded them in the Gaza Strip and parts of the West Bank.


Indeed, Tony Blair's fixation with the creation of a Palestinian state that will, inevitably, become an Islamofascist breeding ground and base of operations is of a piece with the political and strategic miscalculations that animated his indulgence of Islamists in the UK. To demonstrate that he was not George Bush's "poodle" on foreign policy, to appease his party's vehemently anti-Iraq leftist majority and to pander to anti-West Muslims in places like Leeds, London, Birmingham and overseas, Mr. Blair has insisted on the early establishment of a sovereign "Palestine."


The Prime Minister evidently remains untroubled that the bitter fruit of his efforts in the so-called Quartet — the diplomatic equivalent of gang rape involving the European Union, the United Nations, Russia and the United States teamed up to stick it to Israel — will be the creation of yet another Islamofascist state-sponsor of terror in the Middle East.


For example, Mr. Blair has insisted that the "Road Map" be followed to create a Palestinian state, with none of the caveats or safeguards President Bush enunciated in June 2002. At the Gleneagles G-8 meeting last month, Mr. Blair also forced through a multinational commitment to provide $3 billion to the Palestinian Authority (PA). And British pressure is at work in the U.S. government's insistence that Israel provide arms to the PA — even though the U.S. envoy in charge of this project, Army Lieutenant Gen. William Ward, admitted to Congress in July that he had no idea what had happened to the thousands of M-16s Israel had previously given the Palestinian pursuant to the Oslo Accords. (At Gen. Ward's hearing before the House Foreign Operations Subcommittee, Rep. Mark Kirk, Republican of Illinois, noted sarcastically, "Imagine how we felt a year later when we saw Palestinian policemen using those M-16s to shoot Israelis.")

The evidence is now unmistakable. Tony Blair is as wrong about the foreseeable prospects for Palestine as he was, pre-mugging, about the wisdom of ignoring Islamofascism in Britain. Islamists will soon hold unchallenged sway over Gaza and parts of the West Bank, rightly claiming that their terror forced Israel to withdraw and that its continuation will result, in due course, in the "liberation" of the rest of the "occupied" territory (meaning all of Israel).


Mr. Blair has long been courageous and visionary on Iraq and Afghanistan. Lately, he has become so with respect to the terrorist footprint in Britain. It is in the interest of all freedom-loving people that he and President Bush act now to prevent a worse "mugging" by far and encourage Israel to suspend its impending, ominous retreat in the face of Palestinian terror.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:29 pm

Britain May Create Special Terror Courts By MARA D. BELLABY, Associated Press Writer
Tue Aug 9,10:26 AM ET

The British government is considering creating special, closed-door anti-terror courts for pretrial hearings to determine how long suspects can be held without charge, the Home Office and newspaper reports said Tuesday.

Terror suspects can now be held for 14 days without charges, but — amid investigations into the deadly July 7 bombings and the failed July 21 attacks on London's mass-transit system — police have asked the government to extend this period to three months.

A Home Office spokeswoman, who like all British civil servants is barred from being quoted by name, said the government was considering a new pretrial process but gave no other details. However, The Guardian reported Tuesday that the new courts would meet privately to consider cases against terror suspects and rule on how long they could be kept in custody. The newspaper report cited Home Office sources.

Prime Minister Tony Blair last week announced a series of tough new measures aimed at fighting terrorism and rooting out Islamic extremism. By the year's end, the government intends to pass legislation that would outlaw "indirect incitement" of terrorism — targeting extremist Islamic clerics who glorify acts of terrorism and seduce impressionable Muslim youth.

Blair also said his government plans to bar radical Muslim clerics from entering Britain, close mosques linked with extremism, and if necessary amend human rights laws to make it easier to deport foreign nationals suspected of links with terrorism.

On Tuesday, one of three fundamentalist Muslim clerics whom the government has criticized confirmed that he had temporarily left Britain for Lebanon. Sheik Omar Bakri, the founder and spiritual leader of the now-disbanded radical Islamic group al-Muhajiroun, told the British Broadcasting Corp. he would return in four to six weeks unless the government declared him unwelcome.

Bakri, who came to Britain in 1985 and holds dual Lebanese-Syrian citizenship, could not immediately be reached for further comment.

Britain's deputy Prime Minister John Prescott urged Bakri to stay out of the country. "Enjoy your holiday — make it a long one," Prescott said Tuesday when asked about Bakri at a press conference.

The chief prosecutor's office is also considering reviving an old law, making it possible to file treason charges against those who praise acts of terrorism. The law, with roots in the Middle Ages, has rarely been used since World War II.

The July 7 suicide bombings on three London Underground subway lines and a double-decker bus killed 56 people, including four attackers. Exactly two weeks later, on July 21, bombs also planted on three trains and a bus only partially detonated, causing no casualties but further alarming the already-traumatized British capital.

Police believe they have all four July 21 attackers in custody after a series of dramatic arrests last month. Muktar Said Ibrahim, 27, Ramzi Mohammed, 23, and Yassin Hassan Omar, 24, were ordered Monday to remain in custody in Britain until Nov. 14 on charges of attempted murder, conspiracy to murder, possessing or making explosives and conspiracy to use explosives. They face life imprisonment if convicted.

British investigators questioned the fourth suspected attacker, Hamdi Issac, also known as Osman Hussain, in Rome on Tuesday. Britain is seeking his extradition.

Issac's lawyer Antonietta Sonnessa said the British questioning was "concentrated on the circumstances of the act and the reasons for it."

Issac also was shown photos of other suspects in the London attacks, the lawyer said, but didn't say if he recognized anyone.

Sonnessa said Issac had repeated his contentions that the bombing attempt "was an attention-grabbing act and that as far as he knew the contents of the bag were not aimed at harming anyone, including himself."

No one has been charged in the July 7 bombings. All attackers are believed to have died.


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