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Hi,

This is Zell, and I am Teresa's son.

I have a project for my Sociology paper in which I need to take a poll. For those of you who are willing, would you please indicate in the poll how far you went in school? I am trying to see if this correlates with appreciation of classical music.

Thanks!

Zell

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Author of the novel "Creating Will"

Hi everyone,

In order to assist my ever-so-diligent kid in his sociologic endeavors, I have put in the first answer. Thanks for helping him get an "A"

Teresa

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"We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." ~ The Cheshire Cat

Author of the novel "Creating Will"

A pleasure!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein

Dear Zell,
I wish you well with your Sociology paper.

Regards,
Your Mum's friend,
Agnes.

Hi Zell:

It's good to meet you, and I hope your project gives you some valuable information, - and a good mark!

Werner

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Werner Isler

Hey, Zell. You have to post your paper here so we can all read it when you're done.

Just kidding . . . .!

Good luck with it.

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Corlyss
Contessa d'EM, a carbon-based life form

i participated for you. go get 'em, young scholar.

dj

I took part. Good luck with your paper, Zell!

I, too, just took part.... Good luck, Zell!

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"Your idea of a donut-shaped universe intrigues me, Homer; I may have to steal it."

--Stephen Hawking makes guest appearance on The Simpsons

Now an interesting topic would be to correlate the extent of higher education with a love of Dittersdorf.

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"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein

I don't know if this has any sociological interest; HOWEVER, I started out at Whitman, transferred to SFSU where I got the Bachelors and the Masters, then went to Old Blue for the Ph.D. in music theory and performance. Took early retirement from The Office and went back to school for what they now call the "Second Baccalaureate." The crux of all this is, about 10--15% of the students at my school (population about 28,000) are my age...go figure...

All best...

Auntie

Puleez - just check the box.

This is Teresa (Just checking in, and BTW thanks everyone--hope a few more answer, too!)

Zell may not realize the importance of a Dittersdorf sub-category, but it would be hard to reach statistical significance in such a rarefied group.

Teresa

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Author of the novel "Creating Will"

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WELCOME BACK!!!!! I've really missed you, kid!

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"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein

Hey! Alberich! Long time no see. Whatcha been up to since December?

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Corlyss
Contessa d'EM, a carbon-based life form

Zell is going to discover that classical music lovers are a bunch of overeducated effetes.

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Corlyss
Contessa d'EM, a carbon-based life form

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Or that overeducated classical music lovers have too much time on their hands and hang out here.

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"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein

That too.

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Corlyss
Contessa d'EM, a carbon-based life form

This is Zell under my mom's name,

I really appreciate everyone who has taken the poll so far! Of course the poll isn't closed yet, so eventually I may get more votes on this sociological subject.

And I'm actually thanking you all sincerily without my mother standing over me saying, "You better tell them thank you!"

No nagging to be had in my direction!

thanks,
Zell

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"We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." ~ The Cheshire Cat

Author of the novel "Creating Will"

Your mom may have mentioned that we don't get quite the traffic here in the Pub that we do in the music room (uncomfortable asbestos underwear is needed for the Pub). So I'll mosey over to the music room and see if I can roust any of those Sybarites to come over and answer your question.

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Corlyss
Contessa d'EM, a carbon-based life form

What's "Old Blue?"

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Corlyss
Contessa d'EM, a carbon-based life form

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Yale.

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"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein

And I'm duly proud of you for requiring minimal directional nagging.
Mom






(And thanks even more for the help rousting out the Sybs.)

Teresa

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"We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." ~ The Cheshire Cat

Author of the novel "Creating Will"

Bad me, I put this in to make the poll rise again to better visibility. Thanks!

Teresa

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Author of the novel "Creating Will"

The Left Coast Old Blue is the University of California at Berkeley...Go Bears!

Geez, I didn't expect these results at all! Since the results of this poll are so lopsided, it would be interesting to divide the 4th option into subcategories. Some people here kept on going and going and going ...

Me, I barely got my Bachelor and I was out!

aka "Cal Weenies" (funny, I've never heard Cal referred to as "Old Blue" before)

Zell--it was thoughtful of you to thank us for participating. I'm wondering what you are using for a control? Are you posting similar polls on other sites?

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Alberich, you are one very funny dwarf!

I agree, breaking out category 4 would really show who has hair on their chest.

It is Yale, and now we have an issue.

BTW, for Zell, I did vote (I'm in, ahem, the majority) and I hope you have success with your project.

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There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach

Now i see why i don't have a lot of Dittersdorf records in my collection, i left university too soon! I got one degree, that is probably why i usually like Dittersdorf when i come across his music. If i had contiued a couple of years more perhaps i would have been a true fan.

This is perhaps more than a joke. I studied in Bergen which is a less narrow-minded city than what is usual in Norway. Music-lovers in that city are often interested in alternative music in all genres.

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Roger Christensen

"Mozart is the most inaccessible of the great masters"
Artur Schnabel

Suggested breakout for category 4:

Some graduate school
Master's degree
ABD (all but dissertation)
Ph.D.
J.D.
M.D.
Old Blue

I voted. Here in England, I didn't go further than what you guys call high school. So I guess I represent the dim minority on here.

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"Neti, neti."

Formerly known as 'shadowritten'.

I consider an A-Level the equivalent of at least one year of tertiary study in America or Australia. Or at least that was the case back when I was at school in England.

This is Zell,

Thank you everyone!

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Author of the novel "Creating Will"

4. Above.

Im actually In University, but i already got my bachelors in Law, Im doing my Masters right now. Perhaps i might choose international laws after my masters.

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"Desertion for the artist means abandoning the concrete."

Hey, I just voted, hope it's not too late.

Hello I m new,just joined today.I hope its OK if I post my greeting here.

Welcome to the board, mellow. How's about voting in the poll while you're wavin' hello to everyone?

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Corlyss
Contessa d'EM, a carbon-based life form

Hello,Corylyss_D.
I voted before I wrote the greeting.
Best wishes to everyone.

Most excellent! Thank you, on Zell's behalf.

Wanna tell us a little about yourself? What's the classical music scene in Karachi like? I think you may be our first member from Pakistan. We have a few from Southeast Asia, and one Iranian expat living in Canada.

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Corlyss
Contessa d'EM, a carbon-based life form

The poll should have, IMO, several other choices and questions.

Choices to be added

I agree with Alban's suggestion on the first 3 to be added, except that at the master's level, its a thesis, not a dissertation. After that--

Masters, some work toward doctorate.
Doctorate, except for dissertation.
Doctorate.

You might choose to di a breakout the doctorate into what kind--
PhD
MD
Other.

Many also happen to feel that, somehow, a love of classical music is inherited, not genetically, usually, but as part of one's general class ambience. Toward this end, you might ask questions about the responder's family background.

As for me, neither of my parents went beyond high school. My mother had several jobs at various times in her life as a light factory worker, a saleswoman in a womens clothing store, an assistant buyer in a toy department at a hardware store, and as a supermarket checker. My father was a firefighter. My mother loved opera, but was not particularly interested in other classical music. My father seems to have had no musical interests at all that I could detect.

I have a BS in Ed from Northwest Missouri State University with a major in history.

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Hi everyone,

Teresa here. Thanks to you all! Reblem, that's a good idea from you and Alban, considering the predictably lopsided poll results.

Zell's paper is relatively basic (freshman Sociology course). His instructions were to construct the hypothesis, then take the "independent " variable and the "dependent" one, and proceed to write a short paper forming his conclusion based on the data he collected. He has to support his research with a couple of published studies.

So I didn't suggest to him to break the college degree category into subsets due to the increased complexity of the results (maybe he should have gone with bachelor's and proceeded forward!). In any case, he has the material he needs, and many thanks again especially to Corlyss for the "Sticky" and all who assisted.

Teresa

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"We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." ~ The Cheshire Cat

Author of the novel "Creating Will"

You should have broken it down by various graduate degrees also. The results are not too surprising but perhaps even more overwhelming than expected in establishing the corelation.

Thanks to everyone who participated in the poll and helped Zell get an 'A' on his paper!

I've unstickied this thread. We will now return to our regularly scheduled forum . . . .

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Corlyss
Contessa d'EM, a carbon-based life form

Thanks to everyone who participated in the poll and helped Zell get an 'A' on his paper!

I've unstickied this thread. We will now return to our regularly scheduled forum . . . .

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Corlyss
Contessa d'EM, a carbon-based life form

I am currently in my (extended) fourth and final year of a B.A. Honours in Geography, I plan to follow this up with a Masters in Urban Planning (provided all goes to plan).

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„Du sollst schlechte Compositionen weder spielen, noch, wenn du nicht dazu gezwungen bist, sie anhören.‟

The kind of British secondary modern school I attended can be summed up by the expletive for "Go forth and multiply" that some enterprising individual had etched into the school name board which greeted pupils, teachers and visitors alike. It was not a pleasant experience.

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"Look here, I have given up my time, my work, my friends and my career to come here and learn from you, and I am not going to write a petit menuet dans le style de Mozart." - Ralph Vaughan Williams to Maurice Ravel

That is three people now who have rather demeaned the British system of general education. Refreshing, being a teacher in a system at least equally deserving of criticism.

Somehow or other we manage to muddle on as two great peoples divided by a common language in spite of all these deficiencies in educating our youth, but of course such an observation is not quite to the point. There are enormous problems. But that would be a new thread, wouldn't it? So I'll stop here.

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There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach

You know, sometimes in the wee small hours of the morning, I wonder if education beyond the 3 Rs isn't really irrelevant. People learn to do the right thing mostly from the culture which continues to surround them as long as they live in it. I wish people were better trained in history and civics and critical thinking, but would it really change anything? I rant about communist anti-Semites and anti-Americans in academia and their perverse effects, but I think a lot of students forget what the heard in college if it isn't directly related to their jobs anyway. Like Philip Henslowe says, "I don't know. It's a mystery."

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Corlyss
Contessa d'EM, a carbon-based life form