What's Your Educational Background?

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What's your educational background?

Poll ended at Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:35 pm

1. Did not graduate high school
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No votes
2. High school diploma
1
2%
3. Some college
5
11%
4. Bachelor's degree or above
40
87%
 
Total votes: 46

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What's Your Educational Background?

Post by Teresa B » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:35 pm

Hi,

This is Zell, and I am Teresa's son.

I have a project for my Sociology paper in which I need to take a poll. For those of you who are willing, would you please indicate in the poll how far you went in school? I am trying to see if this correlates with appreciation of classical music.

Thanks! :D

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Post by Teresa B » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:37 pm

Hi everyone,

In order to assist my ever-so-diligent kid in his sociologic endeavors, I have put in the first answer. Thanks for helping him get an "A" :D

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Post by Ralph » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:45 pm

A pleasure!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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For Zell

Post by Agnes Selby » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:28 pm

Dear Zell,
I wish you well with your Sociology paper.

Regards,
Your Mum's friend,
Agnes.

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Post by Werner » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:45 pm

Hi Zell:

It's good to meet you, and I hope your project gives you some valuable information, - and a good mark!

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Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:34 am

Hey, Zell. You have to post your paper here so we can all read it when you're done. :D

Just kidding . . . .!

Good luck with it.
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Post by david johnson » Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:22 am

i participated for you. go get 'em, young scholar.

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Post by miranda » Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:11 am

I took part. Good luck with your paper, Zell!

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Post by Gary » Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:47 am

I, too, just took part.... Good luck, Zell!
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Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:07 am

Now an interesting topic would be to correlate the extent of higher education with a love of Dittersdorf.
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Post by Auntie Lynn » Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:14 am

I don't know if this has any sociological interest; HOWEVER, I started out at Whitman, transferred to SFSU where I got the Bachelors and the Masters, then went to Old Blue for the Ph.D. in music theory and performance. Took early retirement from The Office and went back to school for what they now call the "Second Baccalaureate." The crux of all this is, about 10--15% of the students at my school (population about 28,000) are my age...go figure...

All best...

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Post by Alberich » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:03 am

Auntie Lynn wrote:I don't know if this has any sociological interest; HOWEVER, I started out at Whitman, transferred to SFSU where I got the Bachelors and the Masters, then went to Old Blue for the Ph.D. in music theory and performance. Took early retirement from The Office and went back to school for what they now call the "Second Baccalaureate." The crux of all this is, about 10--15% of the students at my school (population about 28,000) are my age...go figure...

All best...

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Post by Teresa B » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:08 am

Ralph wrote:Now an interesting topic would be to correlate the extent of higher education with a love of Dittersdorf.
:lol: This is Teresa (Just checking in, and BTW thanks everyone--hope a few more answer, too!)

Zell may not realize the importance of a Dittersdorf sub-category, but it would be hard to reach statistical significance in such a rarefied group.

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Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:33 pm

Alberich wrote:
Auntie Lynn wrote:I don't know if this has any sociological interest; HOWEVER, I started out at Whitman, transferred to SFSU where I got the Bachelors and the Masters, then went to Old Blue for the Ph.D. in music theory and performance. Took early retirement from The Office and went back to school for what they now call the "Second Baccalaureate." The crux of all this is, about 10--15% of the students at my school (population about 28,000) are my age...go figure...

All best...

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Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:43 pm

Alberich wrote:Puleez - just check the box.
Hey! Alberich! Long time no see. Whatcha been up to since December?
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Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:44 pm

Zell is going to discover that classical music lovers are a bunch of overeducated effetes.
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Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:46 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:Zell is going to discover that classical music lovers are a bunch of overeducated effetes.
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Or that overeducated classical music lovers have too much time on their hands and hang out here. :)
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Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:55 pm

Ralph wrote:
Corlyss_D wrote:Zell is going to discover that classical music lovers are a bunch of overeducated effetes.
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Or that overeducated classical music lovers have too much time on their hands and hang out here. :)
That too. :wink:
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Thank you!

Post by Teresa B » Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:21 pm

This is Zell under my mom's name,

I really appreciate everyone who has taken the poll so far! Of course the poll isn't closed yet, so eventually I may get more votes on this sociological subject.

And I'm actually thanking you all sincerily without my mother standing over me saying, "You better tell them thank you!"

No nagging to be had in my direction!

thanks,
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Re: Thank you!

Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:25 pm

Teresa B wrote:This is Zell under my mom's name,

I really appreciate everyone who has taken the poll so far! Of course the poll isn't closed yet, so eventually I may get more votes on this sociological subject.

And I'm actually thanking you all sincerily without my mother standing over me saying, "You better tell them thank you!"

No nagging to be had in my direction!

thanks,
Zell
Your mom may have mentioned that we don't get quite the traffic here in the Pub that we do in the music room (uncomfortable asbestos underwear is needed for the Pub). So I'll mosey over to the music room and see if I can roust any of those Sybarites to come over and answer your question.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:33 pm

Auntie Lynn wrote:I don't know if this has any sociological interest; HOWEVER, I started out at Whitman, transferred to SFSU where I got the Bachelors and the Masters, then went to Old Blue for the Ph.D. in music theory and performance. Took early retirement from The Office and went back to school for what they now call the "Second Baccalaureate." The crux of all this is, about 10--15% of the students at my school (population about 28,000) are my age...go figure...

All best...

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What's "Old Blue?"
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Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:53 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:
Auntie Lynn wrote:I don't know if this has any sociological interest; HOWEVER, I started out at Whitman, transferred to SFSU where I got the Bachelors and the Masters, then went to Old Blue for the Ph.D. in music theory and performance. Took early retirement from The Office and went back to school for what they now call the "Second Baccalaureate." The crux of all this is, about 10--15% of the students at my school (population about 28,000) are my age...go figure...

All best...

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Re: Thank you!

Post by Teresa B » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:05 pm

Teresa B wrote:This is Zell under my mom's name,

And I'm actually thanking you all sincerily without my mother standing over me saying, "You better tell them thank you!"

No nagging to be had in my direction!

thanks,
Zell
And I'm duly proud of you for requiring minimal directional nagging. 8)
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Corlyss_D wrote: ...(uncomfortable asbestos underwear is needed for the Pub). So I'll mosey over to the music room and see if I can roust any of those Sybarites to come over and answer your question.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

(And thanks even more for the help rousting out the Sybs.)

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Post by Teresa B » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:15 am

Bad me, I put this in to make the poll rise again to better visibility. Thanks!

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Post by Auntie Lynn » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:36 am

The Left Coast Old Blue is the University of California at Berkeley...Go Bears!

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Post by greymouse » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:55 am

Geez, I didn't expect these results at all! Since the results of this poll are so lopsided, it would be interesting to divide the 4th option into subcategories. Some people here kept on going and going and going ...

Me, I barely got my Bachelor and I was out!

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Post by DavidRoss » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:56 am

Auntie Lynn wrote:Go Bears!
aka "Cal Weenies" (funny, I've never heard Cal referred to as "Old Blue" before)

Zell--it was thoughtful of you to thank us for participating. I'm wondering what you are using for a control? Are you posting similar polls on other sites?
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Post by Alban Berg » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:19 am

Alberich wrote:Puleez - just check the box.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Alberich, you are one very funny dwarf!

I agree, breaking out category 4 would really show who has hair on their chest.

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Post by jbuck919 » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:52 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
Auntie Lynn wrote:I don't know if this has any sociological interest; HOWEVER, I started out at Whitman, transferred to SFSU where I got the Bachelors and the Masters, then went to Old Blue for the Ph.D. in music theory and performance. Took early retirement from The Office and went back to school for what they now call the "Second Baccalaureate." The crux of all this is, about 10--15% of the students at my school (population about 28,000) are my age...go figure...

All best...

Auntie
What's "Old Blue?"
It is Yale, and now we have an issue.

BTW, for Zell, I did vote (I'm in, ahem, the majority) and I hope you have success with your project.

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Post by rogch » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:11 pm

Ralph wrote:Now an interesting topic would be to correlate the extent of higher education with a love of Dittersdorf.
Now i see why i don't have a lot of Dittersdorf records in my collection, i left university too soon! I got one degree, that is probably why i usually like Dittersdorf when i come across his music. If i had contiued a couple of years more perhaps i would have been a true fan. :)

This is perhaps more than a joke. I studied in Bergen which is a less narrow-minded city than what is usual in Norway. Music-lovers in that city are often interested in alternative music in all genres.
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Post by Alban Berg » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:53 pm

Suggested breakout for category 4:
  • Some graduate school
    Master's degree
    ABD (all but dissertation)
    Ph.D.
    J.D.
    M.D.
    Old Blue

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Post by Mark Antony Owen » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:37 pm

I voted. Here in England, I didn't go further than what you guys call high school. So I guess I represent the dim minority on here. :(
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Post by Brendan » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:15 pm

I consider an A-Level the equivalent of at least one year of tertiary study in America or Australia. Or at least that was the case back when I was at school in England.

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Post by Teresa B » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:37 pm

This is Zell,

Thank you everyone! :D
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Post by val » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:37 am

4. Above.

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Post by mourningstar » Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:08 am

Im actually In University, but i already got my bachelors in Law, Im doing my Masters right now. Perhaps i might choose international laws after my masters.
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Post by taisiawshan » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:34 pm

Hey, I just voted, hope it's not too late.

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Post by mellowfall » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:44 pm

Hello I m new,just joined today.I hope its OK if I post my greeting here.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:46 pm

mellowfall wrote:Hello I m new,just joined today.I hope its OK if I post my greeting here.
Welcome to the board, mellow. How's about voting in the poll while you're wavin' hello to everyone?
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Post by mellowfall » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:50 pm

Hello,Corylyss_D.
I voted before I wrote the greeting.
Best wishes to everyone.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:54 pm

mellowfall wrote:Hello,Corylyss_D.
I voted before I wrote the greeting.
Best wishes to everyone.
Most excellent! Thank you, on Zell's behalf.

Wanna tell us a little about yourself? What's the classical music scene in Karachi like? I think you may be our first member from Pakistan. We have a few from Southeast Asia, and one Iranian expat living in Canada.
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Post by RebLem » Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:09 am

The poll should have, IMO, several other choices and questions.

Choices to be added

I agree with Alban's suggestion on the first 3 to be added, except that at the master's level, its a thesis, not a dissertation. After that--

Masters, some work toward doctorate.
Doctorate, except for dissertation.
Doctorate.

You might choose to di a breakout the doctorate into what kind--
PhD
MD
Other.

Many also happen to feel that, somehow, a love of classical music is inherited, not genetically, usually, but as part of one's general class ambience. Toward this end, you might ask questions about the responder's family background.

As for me, neither of my parents went beyond high school. My mother had several jobs at various times in her life as a light factory worker, a saleswoman in a womens clothing store, an assistant buyer in a toy department at a hardware store, and as a supermarket checker. My father was a firefighter. My mother loved opera, but was not particularly interested in other classical music. My father seems to have had no musical interests at all that I could detect.

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Post by Teresa B » Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:57 am

Hi everyone,

Teresa here. Thanks to you all! Reblem, that's a good idea from you and Alban, considering the predictably lopsided poll results.

Zell's paper is relatively basic (freshman Sociology course). His instructions were to construct the hypothesis, then take the "independent " variable and the "dependent" one, and proceed to write a short paper forming his conclusion based on the data he collected. He has to support his research with a couple of published studies.

So I didn't suggest to him to break the college degree category into subsets due to the increased complexity of the results (maybe he should have gone with bachelor's and proceeded forward!). In any case, he has the material he needs, and many thanks again especially to Corlyss for the "Sticky" and all who assisted.

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Post by lmpower » Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:46 am

You should have broken it down by various graduate degrees also. The results are not too surprising but perhaps even more overwhelming than expected in establishing the corelation.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:14 pm

Thanks to everyone who participated in the poll and helped Zell get an 'A' on his paper!

I've unstickied this thread. We will now return to our regularly scheduled forum . . . .
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:16 pm

Thanks to everyone who participated in the poll and helped Zell get an 'A' on his paper!

I've unstickied this thread. We will now return to our regularly scheduled forum . . . .
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Post by Ken » Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:37 am

I am currently in my (extended) fourth and final year of a B.A. Honours in Geography, I plan to follow this up with a Masters in Urban Planning (provided all goes to plan).
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Post by Lark Ascending » Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:53 am

The kind of British secondary modern school I attended can be summed up by the expletive for "Go forth and multiply" that some enterprising individual had etched into the school name board which greeted pupils, teachers and visitors alike. It was not a pleasant experience.
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Post by jbuck919 » Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:59 am

Lark Ascending wrote:The kind of British secondary modern school I attended can be summed up by the expletive for "Go forth and multiply" that some enterprising individual had etched into the school name board which greeted pupils, teachers and visitors alike. It was not a pleasant experience.
That is three people now who have rather demeaned the British system of general education. Refreshing, being a teacher in a system at least equally deserving of criticism.

Somehow or other we manage to muddle on as two great peoples divided by a common language in spite of all these deficiencies in educating our youth, but of course such an observation is not quite to the point. There are enormous problems. But that would be a new thread, wouldn't it? So I'll stop here.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:28 pm

jbuck919 wrote: Somehow or other we manage to muddle on as two great peoples divided by a common language in spite of all these deficiencies in educating our youth
You know, sometimes in the wee small hours of the morning, I wonder if education beyond the 3 Rs isn't really irrelevant. People learn to do the right thing mostly from the culture which continues to surround them as long as they live in it. I wish people were better trained in history and civics and critical thinking, but would it really change anything? I rant about communist anti-Semites and anti-Americans in academia and their perverse effects, but I think a lot of students forget what the heard in college if it isn't directly related to their jobs anyway. Like Philip Henslowe says, "I don't know. It's a mystery."
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