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Nothing to say here. I'm just taking a count on how many "hits" this is going to get. I'm always curious about subject lines and I'm willing to bet this will get quite a number. In a week it will be deleted. It may garner even more hits if you put some kind of a response hereon.
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yes,sex!
This could be a very interesting topic! Or are you Americans indeed prude wimps?
All kinds of sexuallity figure prominently in lots of music. From Renaissance opera (gods, nymphs,satyrs), to the murky waters of Wagner's world, Berg's Lulu, Bruno Maderna's Satyricon,Katerina Ismailova !
Sexuallity and music can be tackled seriously. let's try to find out.
Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
Are audiences shocked by nudity,homosexuality etc. in the staging of opera or musical?
Which works have been inspired by sexuality? Does it make them interesting,challenging?
All kinds of sexuallity figure prominently in lots of music. From Renaissance opera (gods, nymphs,satyrs), to the murky waters of Wagner's world, Berg's Lulu, Bruno Maderna's Satyricon,Katerina Ismailova !
Sexuallity and music can be tackled seriously. let's try to find out.
Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
Are audiences shocked by nudity,homosexuality etc. in the staging of opera or musical?
Which works have been inspired by sexuality? Does it make them interesting,challenging?
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*****diegobueno wrote:You mean Bo Derek?Ralph wrote:Well, am I the only OLDSTER here for whom Ravel's Bolero brings instant flashbacks of amorous, sweaty entanglements?
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Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
Are audiences shocked by nudity,homosexuality etc. in the staging of opera or musical?
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The answer to both your questions is : Yes, very often.
Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
Are audiences shocked by nudity,homosexuality etc. in the staging of opera or musical?
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The answer to both your questions is : Yes, very often.
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*****premont wrote:PJME wrote: Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
Are audiences shocked by nudity,homosexuality etc. in the staging of opera or musical?
The answer to both your questions is : Yes, very often.
I've never thought so. Opera, like drama, may well be another matter but I think it depends very much on the composer. Certainly there is no homoerotic quality to "Trouble in Tahiti" or "West Side Story." Marc Blitzstein's ""The Cradle Rocks" likewise doesn't reflect his gay orientation, the probable basis for his murder.
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*****premont wrote:PJME wrote: Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
Are audiences shocked by nudity,homosexuality etc. in the staging of opera or musical?
The answer to both your questions is : Yes, very often.
With "9 Songs" packin' 'em in, at least here in NYC, it's a fair question if anything shocks those who with adequate notice go to performances with nudity and explicit sexuality.
When the American Symphony Orchestra last season did several of Hindemith's operas without staging, these Weimar works with their strong sexual content surprised a number of attendees but shock or annoyance? No way. Not in Gotham.
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I can't imagine how except in advertising!PJME wrote:Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
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[quote="Corlyss_D"][quote="PJME"]Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work? [/quote]
I can't imagine how except in advertising![/quote]
Think of the many piano pieces Beethoven dedicated to his beloved female pupils. Do you think, he should have done this, if he were gay?
I can't imagine how except in advertising![/quote]
Think of the many piano pieces Beethoven dedicated to his beloved female pupils. Do you think, he should have done this, if he were gay?
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Weren't they patrons of some kind or another?premont wrote:Think of the many piano pieces Beethoven dedicated to his beloved female pupils. Do you think, he should have done this, if he were gay?Corlyss_D wrote:I can't imagine how except in advertising!PJME wrote:Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
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Weren't they patrons of some kind or another? BTW, how come in your quotes, the software commands continue to remain text? Just curious.premont wrote:Think of the many piano pieces Beethoven dedicated to his beloved female pupils. Do you think, he should have done this, if he were gay?Corlyss_D wrote:I can't imagine how except in advertising!PJME wrote:Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
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*****premont wrote:Think of the many piano pieces Beethoven dedicated to his beloved female pupils. Do you think, he should have done this, if he were gay?Corlyss_D wrote:I can't imagine how except in advertising!PJME wrote:Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
I have had and have many gay friends who are close friends with members of the other gender.
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Ralph and I had the same ... what do the shrinks say ... "free associations?"Ralph wrote:Well, am I the only OLDSTER here for whom Ravel's Bolero brings instant flashbacks of amorous, sweaty entanglements?
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Think of the ardent passion LvB addressed to the beloved woman in the cis-minor sonata. I think this implies a heterosexual orientation.Corlyss_D wrote:Weren't they patrons of some kind or another? BTW, how come in your quotes, the software commands continue to remain text? Just curious.PJME wrote:Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
As to my software commands , I haven´t got the skill to find out. I have changed some options in my profile, maybe it shall work.
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I would say that Tchaivosky's orientation certainly influenced his work.PJME wrote:This could be a very interesting topic! Or are you Americans indeed prude wimps?
All kinds of sexuallity figure prominently in lots of music. From Renaissance opera (gods, nymphs,satyrs), to the murky waters of Wagner's world, Berg's Lulu, Bruno Maderna's Satyricon,Katerina Ismailova !
Sexuallity and music can be tackled seriously. let's try to find out.
Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
Are audiences shocked by nudity,homosexuality etc. in the staging of opera or musical?
Which works have been inspired by sexuality? Does it make them interesting,challenging?
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How, pray?Harvested Sorrow wrote:I would say that Tchaivosky's orientation certainly influenced his work.
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It's been argued quite often that the reason his last three symphonies had elements of tension and the ominous "fate" motif in them was because he was struggling with his orientation, as if he felt it wasn't right, but couldn't help it. It's believed that's why he was emotionally distraught and wrote music that reflected that.Corlyss_D wrote:How, pray?Harvested Sorrow wrote:I would say that Tchaivosky's orientation certainly influenced his work.
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*****Harvested Sorrow wrote:I would say that Tchaivosky's orientation certainly influenced his work.PJME wrote:This could be a very interesting topic! Or are you Americans indeed prude wimps?
All kinds of sexuallity figure prominently in lots of music. From Renaissance opera (gods, nymphs,satyrs), to the murky waters of Wagner's world, Berg's Lulu, Bruno Maderna's Satyricon,Katerina Ismailova !
Sexuallity and music can be tackled seriously. let's try to find out.
Does the sexual orientation of a composer influence his/her work?
Are audiences shocked by nudity,homosexuality etc. in the staging of opera or musical?
Which works have been inspired by sexuality? Does it make them interesting,challenging?
How? Where?
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Oh, but that could have been any emotional stress. What I mean is, if he were mourning the death of his children, like Mahler or Verdi, the grief could have been expressed the same way. Emotional stress is emotional stress is emotional stress. It is not uniquely "homosexual" or "parental" or "filial". It's just stress. I thought you meant there was something uniquely telling about his orientation that found expression in his music. I'm skeptical, which is why I mentioned earlier that the only way anyone would know is thru the advertising.Harvested Sorrow wrote:It's been argued quite often that the reason his last three symphonies had elements of tension and the ominous "fate" motif in them was because he was struggling with his orientation, as if he felt it wasn't right, but couldn't help it. It's believed that's why he was emotionally distraught and wrote music that reflected that.Corlyss_D wrote:How, pray?Harvested Sorrow wrote:I would say that Tchaivosky's orientation certainly influenced his work.
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Good! We're on the same page! I agree that if he were torturing himself over his orientation, the stress would find expression in his works.Harvested Sorrow wrote:Oh, okay. Just a misunderstanding. It's possible, however, it does seem likely that his wrangling with that issue is what caused it...I didn't mean there was some definitive element of his music that would only come from a homosexual composer.
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Yes! It's doing well. I was going to remove it after a week but I've decided to leave it on. I see some really interesting points coming out of it. I will be watching to see where all this goes.Corlyss_D wrote:Hey, Lance! I think you proved your point about this thread. Look at the number of hits it has.
Wait until you see another SUBJECT LINE I'll be putting up soon!
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Hey, don't stop checking this thread out n o w ... we're on a roll (not piano roll) here! Isn't this just a great subject?
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What? You think Del Tredici's tone poem "Gay Life" was some how influenced by his sexual orientation? Ha. Absurd.
But seriously - a composer's personality is always reflected in their work in one way or another. Does this mean that there are specific characteristics of gay composer's compositions? Of course not. However, every work a composer produces contains some bit of their personality. The only people who can definitively say what bits of personality come through in different pieces are people who know the composers personaly and the composers themselves.
But seriously - a composer's personality is always reflected in their work in one way or another. Does this mean that there are specific characteristics of gay composer's compositions? Of course not. However, every work a composer produces contains some bit of their personality. The only people who can definitively say what bits of personality come through in different pieces are people who know the composers personaly and the composers themselves.
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Let me guess: "Sex or Music?"Lance wrote:Yes! It's doing well. I was going to remove it after a week but I've decided to leave it on. I see some really interesting points coming out of it. I will be watching to see where all this goes.Corlyss_D wrote:Hey, Lance! I think you proved your point about this thread. Look at the number of hits it has.
Wait until you see another SUBJECT LINE I'll be putting up soon!
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