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Post by BWV 1080 » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:32 pm

Sorry for the sensationalistic title. While it is true, it has nothing to do with the Methodism or female clergy or religion at all for that matter. I do not actually know whether she is liberal or not - it is just an opportunity for me, the parent of an autistic boy, to vent over what is one the most outragous example of abusive quack medicine I have come across:
Reverend Lisa Sykes discusses her autism activism and her son's treatment with the Geiers' revolutionary new "Lupron" protocol.
http://www.autismmedia.org/media10.html

FAIR Autism Media has just posted a new interview with the Reverend Lisa Sykes, a mother of a recovering autistic boy (Wesley) and an ordained minister, currently serving as Pastor for the Christ United Methodist Church in Richmond, Virginia. In this interview, Rev. Sykes discusses her introduction to autism, becoming an activist and how she came to having her son treated using the Geiers' "Lupron" protocol to more effectively remove heavy metals by first lowering Wesley's abnormally high testosterone levels.


Now what is Lupron? Its what they chemically castrate sex offenders with - just the thing to inject into a pre-pubescent boy:

http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/index.p ... 28&paged=4
There is an unsubstantiated theory put about by Boyd Haley and the Geiers that testosterone levels are raised in autistic people. There is a further unsubstantiated theory that high testosterone counteracts the bodies ability to be chelated of its mercury efficiently. That the excess mercury got there is also due to an unsubstantiated theory that thiomersal in vaccines is responsible.

The use of chelating agents (which alter the body’s chemistry) have never been tested for safety or efficacy for autistic people (who have chemically different brains than non-autistic people).

So, in my opinion, we have a potentially dangerous and thus far non demonstrably necessary treatment being administered to autistic people. It was put about awhile ago that a typical course of chelation should last 18 months to two years. Now we seem to be approaching that time scale for a lot of children and there seems to be little to no response (unless you believe the unverified claims of Generation Rescue), there’s now a casting about for a reason why the chelation isn’t working as was first thought.

Yes, I have my own opinion as to why it isn’t working. I’m sure you can guess what that opinion is.

But whats their opinion? The chelationistas? Why, that all that pesky testosterone is impeding the chelating of all that pesky mercury. And what reasons are given for that idea? Why, that there are four times as many male autistics as female autistics.

Now that the testosterone theory is out in the wild, suddenly the chelationistas are ‘remembering’ that their kids seem to be developing quickly, that they have a lot of body hair, that they become violent during chelation.

Yes, I have my own theory why they become violent during chelation. I’m sure you can guess that opinion is.

And thats it. Thats why there’s a sudden mad dash for Lupron.

But what is Lupron? Whats it used for?

Its used to chemically castrate sex offenders in the US and also to treat Prostrate cancer. Basically it inhibits testosterone. In females it can cause a drug induced menopause. Its only legitimate sue for children is to treat precocious puberty.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:34 pm

I'm curious: what's the relationship between autism and high testosterone levels? I mean, if it's not causative, or there's a reversal of autism by a reduction in testosterone, what's the point?
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Post by BWV 1080 » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:27 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:I'm curious: what's the relationship between autism and high testosterone levels? I mean, if it's not causative, or there's a reversal of autism by a reduction in testosterone, what's the point?
The theory is that:

A) Mercury in vaccines causes autism
B) Chelation, an often dangerous treatment for heavy metal poisoning, can remove mercury from autistic children
C) As Chelation has so far been unsuccessful in curing autism, something must be interfering with the chelation process
D) Quack doctors surmise that testosterone interfers by "binding" mercury
E) Therefore chelation will work better if testosterone is eliminated
F) Therefore lets chemically castrate the kids

Note that here is no real scientific evidence in favor of and in fact alot of evidence to the contrary for every point listed above.

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Post by Werner » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:45 pm

Steve: I read this thread with interest, and must admit my own ignorance of the subject beyond knowing a few parents of autistic children.

If this is a quack solution - as there seem to be for so many things - I can appreciate your outrage.

With regards and best wishes to you for better results, Werner
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Post by BWV 1080 » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:57 pm

FWIW, lest I be accused of bias, World Nut Daily is a major promoter of the Mercury / Autism theory and had featured glowing articles about Grier, the creator of this therapy described above. The supposedly "peer-reviewed" journal Grier publishes in is a right-wing crank publication that has also featured the infamous abortion - breast cancer "link" and numerous articles on curing homosexuals.

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Post by Ralph » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:47 pm

I searched LEXIS/NEXIS in the Major Newspapers library and her name didn't generate a single hit.
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Debate over vaccines, autism won't die
Mercury in shots blamed for rise in brain disorder among children
Updated: 12:06 p.m. ET June 26, 2005

Wesley Sykes is in a rage.

Dinner was late. His cup held water, not soda. Strangers had stolen his mother’s attention all afternoon. It is too much for the 9-year-old autistic child to bear. He begins to flap his arms and shriek, working himself into murderous screams that shatter his suburban home and all hope of a normal life.

His mother, the Rev. Lisa Sykes, has her own rage, against the demon she blames for Wesley’s condition. It is thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative she received in a shot during pregnancy and he received in childhood vaccines.

To the Richmond, Va., pastor, this is a just crusade. To most scientists, it’s a leap of faith. The levels of mercury in vaccines — now and in the past — do not cause autism, they repeatedly have declared.

But not everyone is convinced. Seven years after it began, the debate over vaccines and autism just won’t die.

No answers for parents
In fact, it appears to be finding new life. Several churches have started a grassroots movement to rid vaccines of mercury. A new book on the issue is getting attention. A Kennedy has entered the fray.

“I think this issue has persisted, despite a boatload of scientific evidence...because there are no answers for parents of children with autism,” said Dr. Sharon Humiston, a University of Rochester pediatrician with a foot in both worlds. She once worked for the government’s National Immunization Program, and she has a son whose autism she refuses to blame on vaccines.

Medical controversies flourish when science is lacking. In this case, both sides have limited science and each criticizes the other’s.

Vested interests make it tough to know who to believe. Many parents have filed lawsuits. Many scientists have ties to vaccine makers or are selling their expertise in court cases. Government officials don’t want people to turn away from vaccines, which have clearly benefitted public health.

Both sides also have credibility problems. Opponents initially accused the measles vaccine, which never contained the preservative, of causing autism. The government defended a troubled pertussis vaccine for more than a decade before switching to a safer version.

“There’s conflict on all sides,” said David Kirby, author of “Evidence of Harm,” a book urging more research.

There are two main questions:
# Did older vaccines, which contained more thimerosal than the trace amounts in modern ones, raise the risk of autism?
# Are there risks today? Flu vaccine sold in multidose vials still contains the preservative, and the government urges flu shots for pregnant women and young children even though not enough thimerosal-free ones are available, critics say.

Finding answers is tough because autism, a little-understood developmental disorder, often is diagnosed at the very ages when children get vaccines.

The stories are remarkably similar: A seemingly normal child gets a shot and days, weeks or months later, withdraws from the world, stops speaking, becomes upset at random stimulation such as a doorbell, and adopts compulsive behaviors like head-banging.

Parents blame vaccines, but “that doesn’t make it true, no matter how strongly they believe it,” said Dr. Steve Goodman, a Johns Hopkins University biostatistician who served on an Institute of Medicine panel convened last year to take an independent look at the evidence, which it found unconvincing. “There doesn’t continue to be scientific argument.”

Beliefs and evidence are things that Sykes, pastor of Richmond’s Christ United Methodist Church, understands. A soft-spoken, slender woman, she does not come off as a radical. She has a degree from Princeton Theological Seminary. The daughter of two CIA employees, she was brought up to trust the government.

“I dare them to call me hysterical,” she said. “I’m the last one who should be screaming conspiracy.”

Her son was a normal, active baby. A photo shows Wesley clutching an Elmo doll, his blue eyes shining and aware. But in a later photo, taken after autism had set in, Wesley stares vacantly next to his smiling brother.

Through a local autism group, Sykes heard a doctor was advising cod liver oil as a treatment. She gave it to Wesley for three days, then tried an experiment on her son, who had stopped responding even to screams. “Wesley,” she said. He looked up at her.

The pastor was sold. She tracked down the doctor, Mary Megson, who tested Wesley’s blood for minerals. Most were within a normal range. The line for mercury, however, flowed off the chart.

“That was my baptism into this issue,” Sykes said.

During pregnancy, she had been given a shot to prevent problems from occurring because she and her baby had a mismatched blood factor. Now, she learned that the vaccine contained thimerosal, which is half mercury. The additive was also in most childhood vaccines, and had been used since the 1930s to prevent bacterial contamination, especially in multidose vials.

Failure to regulate industry?
By November 1997, Congress was getting complaints. It ordered the Food and Drug Administration to review mercury in vaccines, drugs and food. The government and a doctor group said there was no evidence of harm but that vaccine makers should move toward eliminating thimerosal to be safe. It wasn’t until 1999 that vaccines with only trace amounts of thimerosal started to be introduced.

By then, parents had organized. Barbara Loe Fisher, a Virginia mom who is president of the National Vaccine Information Center, which had successfully campaigned for the safer pertussis vaccine, was disturbed federal officials didn’t order thimerosal out.

“I believe this is a failure to regulate industry, no question,” she said.

She believes a theory supported by many, that a subset of kids can’t handle mercury because of a genetic or other kind of predisposition. Some scientists say it might be something else in the vaccines, such as aluminum, or a hyper-reaction to the vaccine itself. There’s a 3 percent to 8 percent recurrence rate of autism in families and the disorder is four times more common in boys — more suggestion of a genetic link.

A suburban Kansas City family’s experiences suggest such a link. The afternoon after Kelly Kerns’ 2-month-old daughter Kaylee got several vaccines was “living hell,” with the child screaming and arching her back, her mother said.

“I kept telling myself everybody gets vaccinated — this is OK,” she said.

When Kaylee was 18 months old, her white-blonde hair began falling out and she stopped talking. Meanwhile, Kerns had twin boys — Andrew and Daniel. When they were 15 months old, they received three vaccines. A week later, they stopped talking. All three children have since been diagnosed as autistic.

In June 2000, government officials, scientists and vaccine makers held an invitation-only meeting at a Georgia retreat to review safety data the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had from several large HMOs.

The CDC’s Dr. Tom Verstraeten presented results of a crude analysis suggesting mercury might be linked to some problems like language delays. As for autism, “we don’t see much of a trend except for a slight, but not significant, increase for the highest exposure,” he said, according to a transcript that vaccine opponents have posted on the Internet.

Pressed to quantify risks, Verstraeten demurred, saying, “it is giving more accuracy to this data than what they really have.” But he admits that when he reviewed others’ studies, he was “stunned” to see how plausible the argument of harm was, according to the transcript.

The Institute of Medicine in 2001 also found the theory “biologically plausible” but said evidence was inadequate to accept or reject it.

Verstraeten ultimately published a medical journal article saying there was little evidence of a link. That enraged U.S. Rep. Dave Weldon, a physician and Republican from Florida, and U.S. Rep. Dan Burton, an Indiana Republican whose grandson has autism.

Relying on 'cigarette science'
Fights over limits to damages that families could seek in lawsuits followed. They drew the attention of Robert Kennedy Jr., a lawyer and environmentalist.

“I kept getting approached by these mothers of autistic kids who said the exposures from vaccines dwarfs any exposure we’re getting from environmental mercury,” he said.

Kennedy, who has pushed the issue on news shows and in an article in Rolling Stone magazine, said that when he looked at the government’s evidence it was “laughably flawed.”

“It was clear to me that the reports they’re relying on are ’cigarette science,”’ he said, referring to tobacco companies’ past arguments that there was no proof cigarettes caused cancer.

Even if there were a link, proving vaccines cause autism is another matter, said Dr. William Schaffner, a Vanderbilt University professor and longtime government vaccine adviser.

There are scientific tests of causation: the problem appears soon after the exposure; the link makes sense biologically; the risk rises as the dose rises; the link is strong and consistent rather than weak or occasional; the problem doesn’t occur without the exposure (a test rarely met).

The final test: the problem or risk falls if the exposure is discontinued. Studies from England, where thimerosal was eliminated sooner than in the United States, indicate that autism rates continue to rise, not decline, even without the preservative, he said.

Also, he and other scientists point to the case against silicone breast implants, involving years of court battles. Lawsuits alleged the implants caused fibromyalgia, based on isolated cases. “Now all the epidemiology is against it and that has quietly shifted away,” Schaffner said. “Scientific issues are not resolved in the courtroom.”

Sykes has another place in mind.

“When the federal institution will not respond appropriately, take it to the church,” she said.

More battles, more tears
Two weeks ago, she convinced the Virginia Conference of the United Methodist church — the largest conference in United Methodism — to pass a resolution calling for the removal of mercury from vaccines.

It now heads to the Board of Global Ministries and the Board of Church and Society of the United Methodist Church for consideration. The same resolution passed Kerns’ East Kansas Conference of the Methodist Church 650-0 a few weeks ago.

The Virginia Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America has referred the measure to a committee. The Virlina District Church of the Brethren, which serves parts of Virginia, West Virginia and North Carolina, is drafting its own version.

Meanwhile at Sykes’ home, the day that melted down with her son’s screams was turning into night. Wesley has drifted off to sleep. The phone’s incessant ringing stops. Sykes’ husband, Seth, returns home from work. Outside, all is quiet except for the musical tinkling of a passing ice cream truck.

Later, Wesley wakes up and finishes his dinner. He cuddles with his dad in the recliner and watches TV before going to bed.

There will be more tantrums, more battles, more tears, for Wesley and his mother.

But for a rare moment, everything seems normal. There is just sweet, blessed peace.

© 2006 MSNBC.com

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8336821/
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Post by BWV 1080 » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:44 pm

Its interesting to deconstruct the language in the first paragraph there. The child does not simply have a tantrum, he has "murderous screams" that "shatter all hope of a normal life". Is it any wonder with this view of the disorder parents are willing to risk anything in hope of a cure?

A good deconstruction of media stereotypes by an adult autistic woman is here:
http://www.gettingthetruthout.org/page001.htm
(it only makes sense if you go through all the pages)

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Post by BWV 1080 » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:10 am

Apparantly the Griers have filed a patent application for their novel Lupron therapy described above. Here is the full list of ailments their chemical castration treatment claims to cure:
autism, autism spectrum disorders, ADD, ADHD, mental retardation, Asperger's syndrome, childhood psychoses, stammering, stuttering, tics, repetitive movements, eating disorders, sleep disorders, enuresis, disturbances of emotion, developmental language disorders, developmental speech disorders, developmental delay, Alzheimer's disease, diabetes, heart disease, obesity, ALS, nephritic syndrome, renal failure, asthma, systemic lupus, autoimmune thyroiditis, rheumatoid arthritis, arthritis, vasculitis, myelitis, glomerulonephritis, optic neuritis, infantile cerebral palsy, epilepsy, migraine, toxic encephalopathy, polyneuropathy, cerebral degenerations, anterior horn cell disease, spinocerebellar disease, extrapyramidal disease, and myopathy, and other related disorders
Hey look, it even cures Alzheimer's disease! all you have to do is turn Grandpa into a eunuch


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Post by Corlyss_D » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:35 am

Ralph wrote:I searched LEXIS/NEXIS in the Major Newspapers library and her name didn't generate a single hit.
Which is why Google is the #1 search engine, not L/N. I've heard it said, by Kurzweil, that Google has essentially made virtually all reference books obsolete. I know I used it for spelling as often as I use the dictionary.
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Post by Ralph » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:58 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
Ralph wrote:I searched LEXIS/NEXIS in the Major Newspapers library and her name didn't generate a single hit.
Which is why Google is the #1 search engine, not L/N. I've heard it said, by Kurzweil, that Google has essentially made virtually all reference books obsolete. I know I used it for spelling as often as I use the dictionary.
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I use both which is how I located the MSNBC piece. LEXIS/NEXIS is invaluable too.
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Post by Modernistfan » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:26 pm

That patent application is amateurish (at best). I am a patent attorney working in biotechnology and pharmaceuticals and I draft patent applications directed to treatment of various diseases almost daily. No evidence is actually given that this method works; at least, there should be tests in cell culture or animal testing that show, to some minimal level of significance, that there is some influence of testosterone level on the removal of mercury by chelation or other routes. The Patent Office will almost certainly reject this application under 35 U.S.C. 112 for lack of enablement or operability of the invention and probably will also reject this as well under 35 U.S.C. 101 for unpatentable subject matter because of the lack of utility. This latter provision of the patent law is used to reject patents for inventions such as perpetual motion machines.

Additionally, it is clear that the inventors drafted the application themselves. The claims are in improper form, and no patent attorney would write claims in that form.

That said, I am far from convinced that there is no link between mercury in vaccines and autism or other neurological developmental abnormalities.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:12 pm

Modernistfan wrote:That patent application is amateurish (at best). I am a patent attorney working in biotechnology and pharmaceuticals and I draft patent applications directed to treatment of various diseases almost daily. No evidence is actually given that this method works; at least, there should be tests in cell culture or animal testing that show, to some minimal level of significance, that there is some influence of testosterone level on the removal of mercury by chelation or other routes. The Patent Office will almost certainly reject this application under 35 U.S.C. 112 for lack of enablement or operability of the invention and probably will also reject this as well under 35 U.S.C. 101 for unpatentable subject matter because of the lack of utility. This latter provision of the patent law is used to reject patents for inventions such as perpetual motion machines.

Additionally, it is clear that the inventors drafted the application themselves. The claims are in improper form, and no patent attorney would write claims in that form.

That said, I am far from convinced that there is no link between mercury in vaccines and autism or other neurological developmental abnormalities.
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Post by Modernistfan » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:22 pm

No, I am in San Diego.

Once the application has been published, anyone can follow the prosecution of the patent application in the Patent Office. The Patent Office made just the objections I expected, and, as I also expected, objected to the form of the claims. This application was indeed filed by the inventors themselves without a patent attorney or agent.

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Post by Modernistfan » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:37 pm

The reason that I am skeptical about arguments that too readily absolve mercury of involvement in the etiology of autism is that it has long been known that mercury is a neurotoxin. The old expression "mad as a hatter" comes from frequent mental disturbances occurring in workers making hats, I believe felt hats, at a time when mercury salts were used in the processing of the fur going into the felt hat. The hat workers, of course, were largely adults with more or less fully developed nervous systems.

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Post by BWV 1080 » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:35 pm

Modernistfan wrote:The reason that I am skeptical about arguments that too readily absolve mercury of involvement in the etiology of autism is that it has long been known that mercury is a neurotoxin. The old expression "mad as a hatter" comes from frequent mental disturbances occurring in workers making hats, I believe felt hats, at a time when mercury salts were used in the processing of the fur going into the felt hat. The hat workers, of course, were largely adults with more or less fully developed nervous systems.
No one doubts that mercury is a neurotoxin. The problem is that known symptoms of mercury poisoning bear only the most superficial resemblance to autism. THe neuropathology is significantly different. The link below is a paper published in the journal Pediatrics:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/c ... /111/3/674

It finds:


TABLE 1. Characteristic Findings in Autism and in Mercury Poisoning
Autism........................................................... Mercurism

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Motor Stereotypies......................................... Ataxia, dysarthria
Vision No abnormality...................................... Constricted visual fields
Speech Delay, echolalia....................................Dysarthria
Sensory Hyper-responsiveness..........................Peripheral neuropathy
Socially aloof,
insistence on sameness......................................psychosis
Swollen brain size .............................................shrunken brain size

The most characteristic sensory finding of mercury poisoning is a highly specific bilateral constriction of visual fields.5,6,9 With lesser exposure there may be compromise of contrast sensitivity.10,11 In addition, there may be paresthesias or, in infants, erythema and pain in hands and feet because of peripheral neuropathy. In autism, decreased responsiveness to pain is sometimes observed along with hypersensitivity to other sensory stimuli, including hyperacusis. The "sensory defensiveness" of autism seems to reflect altered sensory processing within the brain rather than peripheral nerve involvement.12–14
Other signs that may appear in children with chronic mercury toxicity, such as hypertension,15 skin eruption,16 and thrombocytopenia,17 are seldom seen in autism.
Studies that followed victims of high-dose acute or chronic mercury poisoning resulting from contaminated foods in Iraq, Pakistan, Guatemala, and Ghana have not reported manifestations suggestive of autism in survivors. In contrast, many of these survivors had clinical signs such as persisting ataxia and dysarthria that are seldom seen in autism.

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Post by BWV 1080 » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:11 pm

Rett syndrome is a known genetic condition. It is caused by a single gene that was identified some time ago. Its symptoms are closely related to autism. The nearly identical symptoms lend creedence to autism being a genetic disorder. Autism is not, however, a single gene like Rett, rather it is a complex series of markers like epilepsy. Texas Children's Hospital is actually doing research on the overlap in genetic markers between the two conditions.

In Rett syndrome, the mutation causes previously apparently normal children to lose acquired developmental milestones after 1 years old to 2 years old, with a phase during which they may present behaviors consistent with autism. This disorder can also have its clinically apparent onset soon after the completion of immunizations, but Rett syndrome is known to be determined by a single genetic mutation that produces failure in the normal program of brain development. If we did not understand its genetic basis, we might suspect that Rett syndrome was attributable to environmental factors including immunization. The situation for autism is still unknown, but the onset of signs in the second year of life does not prove (nor disprove) a role for environmental factors in etiology.

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Post by RebLem » Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:02 am

It is my understanding that many activists feel that the reason this is a more serious problem nowadays than formerly is that children are typically immunized against many more diseases than formerly, and that it is the increase in cumulative exposure to mercury rather than the dosage in any one immunization that is the problem.
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Post by BWV 1080 » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:57 pm

RebLem wrote:It is my understanding that many activists feel that the reason this is a more serious problem nowadays than formerly is that children are typically immunized against many more diseases than formerly, and that it is the increase in cumulative exposure to mercury rather than the dosage in any one immunization that is the problem.
The operative word there is '"feel". While it is a plausible hypothesis, there is no real evidence for that position. There is substantial evidence around the world that the presence or absence of thimerisol in vaccines has no impact on autism rates and as detailed above, autism bears little resemblance to known cases of mercury poisoning.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:02 pm

What I want to know is why Wesley is still at home and why his mother hasn't been arrested.
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