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And CBS Wonders Why It Has No Reputation To Speak Of

Post by Corlyss_D » Sat May 27, 2006 3:12 pm

AG, FBI Chief Made A Stand Over Raid
May 27, 2006(CBS/AP)

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and FBI director Robert Mueller signaled they would resign this week rather than give in to Congress in a dispute over an FBI raid on Rep. William Jefferson's Capitol Hill office, an administration official tells CBS News.

Top law enforcement officials at the Justice Department and the FBI indicated to their counterparts at the White House that they could not, and were unwilling to, return documents to the Louisiana Republican which were seized as part of a bribery investigation.

CBS News has learned that there was concern among prosecutors and FBI agents that the White House would give in to Congressional pressure and return the materials to Jefferson. But, according to the administration official, Mueller, Gonzales and his top deputy Paul McNulty made it clear that they "going to the final end of the mat" to keep them.

Inside the administration, Vice President Dick Cheney's office was pushing for the materials to be returned. Cheney's Chief of Staff David Addington argued internally that the search was questionable.

The dispute raged across Washington all week before President George W. Bush eased tensions on Thursday, ordering that the seized documents be sealed for 45 days.

More than a dozen FBI agents conducted an all-night search of Jefferson's office last week. They took two boxes of paper records and made a copy of everything on Jefferson's personal computer, Robert Trout, Jefferson's lawyer, said in his legal filing Wednesday demanding the return of the materials.

The FBI and prosecutors refused to allow lawyers for Jefferson or the House of Representatives to be present for the search, Trout and House officials said.

In an affidavit supporting the search warrant, the FBI said it had videotaped Jefferson last summer taking $100,000 in bribe money and that agents had found $90,000 of that cash stuffed in a freezer in his home.

House Majority Leader Dennis Hastert complained about the raid to President Bush at least twice. He was joined Wednesday by his Democratic counterpart, Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, in a statement demanding the FBI give back the material it seized.

Two people have pleaded guilty to bribing Jefferson to promote the high-tech business venture in Africa. One of them, Brett Pfeffer, a former aide to the congressman, was scheduled to be sentenced Friday in Alexandria, Va. Jefferson has not been charged and has denied wrongdoing.

A senior law enforcement official said the cooling-off period ordered by the president would not affect the investigation. "There is videotape of the congressman putting cash in the trunk of his car," the official tells CBS News. "Two plea agreements and more than enough evidence to finish this case."

Historians said the raid was the first such search of a House or Senate member's office since the first Congress convened 219 years ago.

Its unprecedented nature and the lack of notice given Hastert set off loud complaints from both Republicans and Democrats that the administration was overstepping its authority.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/ ... 2805.shtml

This really is too much!
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Post by Ralph » Sat May 27, 2006 11:29 pm

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Post by RebLem » Sun May 28, 2006 2:01 am

What is too much, Corlyss, and what does this have to do with CBS's credibility? William Jefferson is a Democrat, and you bold-faced the word Republican in identifying him in the story, but the link to the original story you posted says he was a Democrat. The wording of the article appears to be exactly the same except for that one word.

Tell me again, whose credibility is in question, Corlyss?
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Post by Donald Isler » Sun May 28, 2006 8:31 am

Oh my goodness! However would the Republic survive if patriots like Gonzales resigned, after all they've done for us??!!
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Post by Haydnseek » Sun May 28, 2006 9:21 am

The most common trick the media use is to identify the politician involved in a scandal simply as Congressman _____ if he is a Democrat. Often the party affiliation is not mentioned anywhere in the story. But if he is from the other party he is Republican Congressman _____ . I have seen this done dozens of times.
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Post by mourningstar » Sun May 28, 2006 12:50 pm

Are Democrats always involved in big scandals? .. At least more then Republicans. some people base their voting opinion just by that. alot of politicians don't seem to notice or at least don't wanna notice :wink:
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun May 28, 2006 2:34 pm

RebLem wrote:What is too much, Corlyss, and what does this have to do with CBS's credibility? William Jefferson is a Democrat, and you bold-faced the word Republican in identifying him in the story, but the link to the original story you posted says he was a Democrat. The wording of the article appears to be exactly the same except for that one word.

Tell me again, whose credibility is in question, Corlyss?
The one word is exactly what is in issue. The MSM is so eager to help the Democrats win back the Congress they attribute Democratic misdeeds to Republicans.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun May 28, 2006 2:36 pm

Haydnseek wrote:The most common trick the media use is to identify the politician involved in a scandal simply as Congressman _____ if he is a Democrat. Often the party affiliation is not mentioned anywhere in the story. But if he is from the other party he is Republican Congressman _____ . I have seen this done dozens of times.
Yeah. That's one of NPR's favorite slights of hand. It's been so blatant since 1995 I don't even notice it any more. After the Republicans took Congress in the 1994 election, all Republicans were "extremist Repbulicans" while all Democrats were just Democrats.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun May 28, 2006 2:43 pm

mourningstar wrote:Are Democrats always involved in big scandals? .. At least more then Republicans. some people base their voting opinion just by that. alot of politicians don't seem to notice or at least don't wanna notice :wink:
You said a mouthful, M. Democrats are not the only ones involved in big scandals, but as an outlander, you need to know that with almost no exceptions, Democrats control the major cities in the US. That signifies quite a lot: 1) concentration of voting power in the inner city black and immigrant poor; 2) heavy organized crime influence; 3) heavy union influence, which for most of the 20th Century meant just another apparatus of the organized crime; 4) tendancy to voter fraud to win elections (if you saw The Gangs of New York you get the idea).

As far as I'm concerned, the Democract party is an criminal conspiracy masquerading as a political entity.
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Post by RebLem » Sun May 28, 2006 9:35 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:
RebLem wrote:What is too much, Corlyss, and what does this have to do with CBS's credibility? William Jefferson is a Democrat, and you bold-faced the word Republican in identifying him in the story, but the link to the original story you posted says he was a Democrat. The wording of the article appears to be exactly the same except for that one word.

Tell me again, whose credibility is in question, Corlyss?
The one word is exactly what is in issue. The MSM is so eager to help the Democrats win back the Congress they attribute Democratic misdeeds to Republicans.
What is MSM? I've been meaning to ask that, but haven't gotten to it. Now seems as good a time as any. I have no idea what MSM is.
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Post by RebLem » Sun May 28, 2006 9:39 pm

Donald Isler wrote:Oh my goodness! However would the Republic survive if patriots like Gonzales resigned, after all they've done for us??!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon May 29, 2006 2:31 am

RebLem wrote:What is MSM? I've been meaning to ask that, but haven't gotten to it. Now seems as good a time as any. I have no idea what MSM is.
MSM=Mainstream Media
Sometimes mass media (and the news media in particular) are referred to as the "corporate media". Other references include the "mainstream media" (MSM). Technically, "mainstream media" includes outlets that are in harmony with the prevailing direction of influence in the culture at large. In the United States, usage of these terms often depends on the connotations the speaker wants to invoke. The term "corporate media" is often used by leftist media critics to imply that the mainstream media are themselves composed of large multinational corporations, and promote those interests (see e.g., Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting; Noam Chomsky's "propaganda model"). This is countered by right-wingers with the term "MSM", the acronym implying that the majority of mass media sources are dominated by leftist powers which are furthering their own agenda. http://www.answers.com/topic/mass-media
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Post by jbuck919 » Mon May 29, 2006 2:41 am

Don't worry, RebLem, I had never seen the term MSM before either, just as I had never seen AC (meaning anything but alternating current) before I came to this board. It even took me a while to realize that in Corlysseese Scotus means not John Duns the medieval theologian, but the Supreme Court of the United States.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon May 29, 2006 2:43 am

jbuck919 wrote:It even took me a while to realize that in Corlysseese Scotus means not John Duns the medieval theologian, but the Supreme Court of the United States.
I didn't invent the term, but it takes less keystrokes than the name I knew them by in law school, i.e., The Supremes. :D

Similarly, The President of the United States is called POTUS.
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Post by jbuck919 » Mon May 29, 2006 3:32 am

Corlyss_D wrote: Similarly, The President of the United States is called POTUS.
I thought that was something Granny on the Beverly Hillbillies prepared to cure baldness.

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