Does God Believe in YOU?

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Does God believe in you?

Yes, for sure.
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Nope, not a chance.
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Question is way over my head.
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Does God Believe in YOU?

Post by Ralph » Sun May 28, 2006 8:56 pm

Honest answers only, please.
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Post by Gary » Sun May 28, 2006 9:02 pm

Nope, I'm a figment of His/Her/Its imagination.
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Post by John Bleau » Sun May 28, 2006 9:38 pm

Yes, meaning that everything owes its existence to a solipcist's tautology. No wonder there's zero total energy in the Universe...

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Post by RebLem » Sun May 28, 2006 10:39 pm

Way over my head.

I tend to the Deist view that there is a God who is the Creator and Prime Mover of the Universe, but who does not reward, punish, or provide any sort of life after death for any of His creatures.

I find it enormously difficult to believe in a God who wants us to worship Him, who provides a Heaven, in fact, in which that is all any of us do, for all eternity. Sounds to me like an awfully prideful, self-indulgent, and overwhelmingly conceited God.

Sounds a little like Oscar Wilde, in fact.
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Post by Ralph » Sun May 28, 2006 10:45 pm

RebLem wrote:Way over my head.

I tend to the Deist view that there is a God who is the Creator and Prime Mover of the Universe, but who does not reward, punish, or provide any sort of life after death for any of His creatures.

I find it enormously difficult to believe in a God who wants us to worship Him, who provides a Heaven, in fact, in which that is all any of us do, for all eternity. Sounds to me like an awfully prideful, self-indulgent, and overwhelmingly conceited God.

Sounds a little like Oscar Wilde, in fact.
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Post by Brendan » Sun May 28, 2006 10:59 pm

Forget 'beliefs' - far too tenuous. Knowledge is better, direct experience better still IMHO.

Anyone entering the sphere of radiance in the divine word is held fast by it; he knows from experience that this word not only communicates knowledge about God, but – hidden within the garb of the letter – actually has divine qualities: in itself it is an overpowering manifestation of God’s infinity and truth, his majesty and love. God’s epiphany compels the hearer to kneel in humble submission. The latter had imagined that he was dealing with a word he could grasp and evaluate, like other great and profound utterances of mankind; yet once he enters its field of force, he himself is the one who is grasped and evaluated. He had wanted to approach Jesus in order to see him (“Come and see!”), and now, under the gaze of Jesus, he finds that it is he who has long been observed, seen through, judged and accepted in grace by Jesus. All he can do now, therefore, is to fall down and worship the Word: “Master, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel!” This conquest, however, is only the starting point: “You shall see greater things than these. . . . You will see heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man” (Jn 1:46-51).
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Post by jbuck919 » Mon May 29, 2006 12:58 am

All I can say is the same way I reply to people who still say that homosexuality is against the laws of nature and of God (it is still a common opinion). The laws of nature seem to dictate that a certain however small or large percentage of any population will be attracted to members of its own sex, and as for the laws of God, they have not, alas, been revealed to me.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon May 29, 2006 1:56 am

RebLem wrote:I find it enormously difficult to believe in a God who wants us to worship Him, who provides a Heaven, in fact, in which that is all any of us do, for all eternity. Sounds to me like an awfully prideful, self-indulgent, and overwhelmingly conceited God.
Metaphor, the lost art. I wouldn't believe in a god like that either. I'm with Peter Cook, "Tiresome." However, I don't have to believe in that kind of after life if I don't want to.
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Post by Ralph » Mon May 29, 2006 6:05 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
RebLem wrote:I find it enormously difficult to believe in a God who wants us to worship Him, who provides a Heaven, in fact, in which that is all any of us do, for all eternity. Sounds to me like an awfully prideful, self-indulgent, and overwhelmingly conceited God.
Metaphor, the lost art. I wouldn't believe in a god like that either. I'm with Peter Cook, "Tiresome." However, I don't have to believe in that kind of after life if I don't want to.
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Post by Lilith » Mon May 29, 2006 7:37 am

"I find it enormously difficult to believe in a God who wants us to worship Him, who provides a Heaven, in fact, in which that is all any of us do, for all eternity. Sounds to me like an awfully prideful, self-indulgent, and overwhelmingly conceited God."

Very amusing and couldn't agree more. I see/feel no 'God' interacting in my/our Universe. A deist God - possibly. But if so, pretty meaningless.

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Post by Richard Mullany » Mon May 29, 2006 11:40 am

Alas, I don't even know if Ralph believes in me, or Coryliss or anyone. But I believe in me....sort of.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon May 29, 2006 2:26 pm

Richard Mullany wrote:Alas, I don't even know if Ralph believes in me, or Coryliss or anyone. But I believe in me....sort of.
Is that the God part of Richard that believes in Richard, or the Richard part of Richard that believes in Richard?

Of course I believe in you.
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Post by Ralph » Mon May 29, 2006 7:26 pm

Richard Mullany wrote:Alas, I don't even know if Ralph believes in me, or Coryliss or anyone. But I believe in me....sort of.
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Post by Gary » Tue May 30, 2006 3:11 am

Ralph wrote:
Depends what is meant by "believes."

Also depends on the meaning of what "is" is.
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Post by pizza » Tue May 30, 2006 6:34 am

Gary wrote:Also depends on the meaning of what "is" is.
You're running for president?

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Post by Cyril Ignatius » Tue May 30, 2006 3:03 pm

Quite a secular lot here!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o

Of course God "believes" in us, in the sense of being intimately aware of our existence. As well he should, since He created us. Wether he approves of us is the much more pertinent question, the answer to which is endlessly varied and complex - and dependent on the critical details of how exactly the "us" is being construed at a particular moment.
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Post by Gary » Wed May 31, 2006 12:16 am

pizza wrote:
Gary wrote:Also depends on the meaning of what "is" is.
You're running for president?
Why not? It doesn't take a genius to run these days.
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Post by Reed » Wed May 31, 2006 4:32 pm

I think these days, many of us are running FROM the president.

As for the deeper question, I see no reason to create, then worship, supernatural beings. The universe is quite interesting enough without silly stories that one must accept on faith. Astronomy or a walk in the woods gives me all the sense of wonder I need without anthropomorphising It and calling It He or She or They (or It).

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Post by Brendan » Wed May 31, 2006 5:03 pm

Such anthropomorphizing is idolatry and anathema to many religious folk - and indeed contrary to the very action of meditation, faith and prayer. As St Diadochus defined it, faith is a thought about the divine free from idolatry.

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