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Great Expectations

Post by dulcinea » Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:48 am

Carter was sold in 1976 as a superduper combo of FDR, Truman and Dr King. Clinton was sold in 1992 as a dynamic combination of JFK, RFK and Sen Fulbright, and the Lady Hillary as a dynamite ball of fire who put to shame Eleanor and Jacqueline. Was there any truth in these pearls of thickly laid flattery?
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Post by herman » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:34 am

"Lady" Hillary? Is there a US Peerage now?

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Re: Great Expectations

Post by jbuck919 » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:23 am

dulcinea wrote:Carter was sold in 1976 as a superduper combo of FDR, Truman and Dr King. Clinton was sold in 1992 as a dynamic combination of JFK, RFK and Sen Fulbright, and the Lady Hillary as a dynamite ball of fire who put to shame Eleanor and Jacqueline. Was there any truth in these pearls of thickly laid flattery?
I don't have that memory of Carter's campaign. I don't think he was "sold" as anything but Jimmy Carter. No sane campaign would put that kind of package out to the public, even the generally naive band of American voters. Carter is a man of principle and is lucky he won.

Clinton actually was a dynamic combination of JFK, RFK, and Senator Fulbright (including warts).

With Hilary Clinton, there is a split vote. No one is sold in comparison with Eleanor Roosevelt, who is as incomparable as her husband. No one wants to be sold as a glamorpuss like Jackie O. (I say that as though I didn't like her, when in fact I adored her like everybody else.)

Times change. I say a daily prayer of thanksgiving to whatever gods there be that Hilary Clinton is one of the senators from my home state. But though she became nationally famous for other reasons, she runs on a campaign of being Hilary Clinton.

Ironically, the Clinton marriage does resemble the Roosevelt one (perhaps even the Kennedy one). There was infidelity, but at the deepest level the husband was immensely proud of his brilliant and accomplished wife.

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Post by dulcinea » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:10 pm

"Carter is a man of principle"; so? Hitler, Trotskii, Stalin, Tojo, Mao, Kim Il-Sung, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Arafat, Milosevic, Zarqawi and bin Laden were/are also men of principle--so much so that, unlike the craven cadet Carter, they actually took up arms to fight for those principles.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:37 pm

dulcinea wrote:Carter was sold in 1976 as a superduper combo of FDR, Truman and Dr King. Clinton was sold in 1992 as a dynamic combination of JFK, RFK and Sen Fulbright, and the Lady Hillary as a dynamite ball of fire who put to shame Eleanor and Jacqueline. Was there any truth in these pearls of thickly laid flattery?
To the best of my recollection, Carter was sold as a "Not Washington Insider," a Southern old style Dem and a "nukular" physicist.

Clinton shamelessly marketed himself and Her Clintonship as "two for the price of one." Anything beyond that was hype. And it will be hype when Her Clintonship resurrects hubby for the same drill.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:44 pm

jbuck919 wrote: I don't think he was "sold" as anything but Jimmy Carter. Carter is a man of principle and is lucky he won.
Where's the emoticon for swooning? Yeah, Carter was lucky he won. The American public was not so lucky. Well, at least Carter's ineptitude and fecklessness paved the way for the Reagan revolution.
even the generally naive band of American voters.
You mean Democrats?
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Re: Great Expectations

Post by Kevin R » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:11 am

jbuck919 wrote:I don't have that memory of Carter's campaign. I don't think he was "sold" as anything but Jimmy Carter. No sane campaign would put that kind of package out to the public, even the generally naive band of American voters. Carter is a man of principle and is lucky he won.
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A man of principle no, but he was indeed lucky. The Dems could have put out the most inept candidate (oh they did) in 1976 and still won. What is amazing is that he almost blew it (still the last Dem to receive 50% of the pop vote).
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Re: Great Expectations

Post by Kevin R » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:13 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
jbuck919 wrote: I don't think he was "sold" as anything but Jimmy Carter. Carter is a man of principle and is lucky he won.
Where's the emoticon for swooning? Yeah, Carter was lucky he won. The American public was not so lucky. Well, at least Carter's ineptitude and fecklessness paved the way for the Reagan revolution.
even the generally naive band of American voters.
You mean Democrats?
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Re: Great Expectations

Post by karlhenning » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:31 pm

And Lord Dubya was sold in 2000 as the guy who would talk straight to the American people.
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Post by Werner » Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:29 pm

Ah, Karl, I like that Lord Dubya line. Talk straight? Look at the performance score - with the tax relief (that went through), the pre-9/11 warnings ( that MIGHT - no one can say for sure - have helped - Katrina -"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job!" - the report just today presented by the 9/11 commission, and we see a bunch of non-performing wimopy bureaucrats with a big mouth.

Compare that to Carter and Clinton, with all their defects (who's perfect?) and you see how lucky we are.

As for Dulcinea, I don't know where you're going with your catalog of characters. As far as I know, Carter was a Naval officer. How do you think that compares with your list of heroes?
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Re: Great Expectations

Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:49 pm

Kevin R wrote:Welcome back Cor!
Thank you, Kevin. I think I came back too early . . . .
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