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Post by pianotehj » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:25 am

To each his/her own- I am hoping to get a lot of different responses/personal opinions from various individuals, so here goes:

I've only just recently started to really listen to music- as in before, I had certain pieces or composers whom I liked, but now I'm trying to listen to various recordings of the same composition and trying to decide which artist I prefer over the others and why. I'm realizing how difficult it is to actually describe in words what it is that attracts me to one artist over another, or even before that, what I'm looking for when I'm critiquing individual artists and their playings. So without further adieu, I'm just wondering what you're hearing for when you listen to recordings or attend concerts... taking it one step further than just "playing from the heart," "individual styles," "expressiveness," etc... how exactly do you pinpoint the differences in their playings?

I know it'll depend a lot on personal preference in general, but then what may vary according to individual taste/preference, and what are set "rules" (sorry can't find the right word) and must be followed to some degree (ex, tempo when marked..?)?

Sorry my thoughts are kind of all over the place- hope you kind of understood my question.. :) much thanks in advance!

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Post by Werner » Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:29 am

As I think your post implies, there is no one answer on this subject.

As one who has ben reading music reviews over a long time, I have found them a valuable source of information as to what's going on in the field.

You get an idea on changes of musical performance, portraits of performers, and much more.

Along the way, you get portraits of musicians as well as of reviewers. The more you come to know about the music under discussion, the more value you can find in the reviews. And don't be surprised if one piece of music, a performance, or a review you see may strike you differently from one time to another, depending on your current mood or situation. And the same thing applies to critics. For example, I have come to think highly of one of our current critics, who knows the field and generally writes with good judgment and respect for the performers he gets to hear. Yet in a recent review I thought he made remarks about a performer's past activities that had no connection to the concert he was writing about.

Another crritic who is no longer alive but who set some sort of standard in my view of things reviewed a pianist whose qualities we knew well. This pianist was a particularly wonderful Beethoven interpreter but also played Chopin incandescently. He combined Chopin and his other specialty in one New York recital. He was stunned to read that he was excellent in the German classics and romantics but shouldn't play Chopin. So he never played Chopin in New York again. Fortunately, other audiences were not so deprived, and we have evidence of some great Chopin on record.

I don't know, pianotehj, whether I've given you any answers. But do keep reading, keep an open mind, and good lit\stening!
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Post by piston » Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:09 pm

The textual and numerical "tools" used by music critics remain relatively blunt compared to, say, Olympic judges in gymnastics or figure skating. To take the numerical tools as an example, numerous pianists receive a 10 point mark for an excellent performance. From Walter Gieseking to Steven Osborne, music critics have thus given a perfect mark to several interpreters of Debussy's Preludes. But were they to assess one of these "perfect" interpretation in comparison to half a dozen other "perfect" interpretations of the same work, the same music critics might have to qualify their assessment further -- 9.5 or 9.6, instead of ten.

Moreover, there is something quite subtle always at work among so-called connoisseurs and critics: the extent of their discographical knowledge. When an American or a British critic assesses Steven Osborne's achievements in Debussy's Preludes do they have in mind the entire discography since Gieseking, should they? Or do they mainly use as points of reference recent recordings of the same work? Conversely, would a French or a German critic prove as knowledgeable of the entire discography of Copland's Appalachian Spring than an American critic? These different and varying points of reference invariably exert an influence on one's evaluation or critique of a given performance.

Today we have Youtube, a medium which offers yet another means of comparing and assessing a performance. Take one of Debussy's Preludes, as played by Richter, Michelangeli, Smith, etc., sit back and listen to/watch several successive performances. It's quite enlightening if only because one is led to realize the multiplicity of variables involved even for a three-minute piece.

When it comes to comparing several excellent pianists interpreting the same work, people's opinions become more subjective, intuitive, and, I dare say, arbitrary. It's mainly the expression of a preference, which expression requires a priori some discographical depth. Years ago, Monique Haas was an excellent interpreter of all of Debussy's piano music. But when I acquired Michelangeli interpretation of the first book of preludes, on DG, I could not help but gravitate towards his recording. I do not regret purchasing Osborne's recent recording on Hypérion, but, for book 1, Michelangeli remains (arbitrarily) my 10-point perfect performer. Check him out on Youtube :D
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Post by Ralph » Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:14 pm

I enjoy reading about performers and performances, especially when there is an historical angle. I do read CD reviews extensively but, ultimately, the only critic who counts is the person typing this post. While some commentators objectively describe facts such as clear mistakes, in most instances subjectivity albeit of an informed nature rules.

I go to many concerts and operas and post my own untutored reviews here. Sometimes my take is quite different than that of the New York Times reviewer. So what? No one is getting hurt.
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Post by pianotehj » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:50 pm

Thank you!! I got interesting points to think about from each response, thanks! So I guess my follow up question now is, any recommendations for sources on music critiques? Any particular journals or on-line webpages?

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Post by Lance » Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:35 pm

Hello Pianotejh:

Anyone who becomes a critic of any public performance, be it opera, orchestra, soloist, theater performance, ballet, etc. generally has to know something (quite a bit, actually) about what he is reviewing. Some of the best critics have been musicians themselves, or composers, such as was the case of Virgil Thomson, whom I believe to be one of the greatest music critics (New York Herald Tribune. Other great critics include Harold C. Schonberg, Tim Page, Harris Goldsmith (himself a fine pianist and a man who taught me truly listen to the piano in performance), the late Claudia Cassidy where people feared her in the Chicago area; she could be most caustic, but not if she personally liked an artist! (Kapell, for example, but who wouldn't like a genius like that?) The big thing is that I always try to learn from what the most respected critics have to say. But they are not infallible in their opinions. It is often the public[/i] who decides who is the greatly gifted star of the day/week/month/year. And they frequently know very little about evaluating an artist or performance - or any reasons - why someone is a "great artist." En masse, though, the public is often right! I've seen this happen especially in the world of the operatic performer.

I do a lot of record reviewing, have adjudicated musical competitions, etc., and always try to be fair in my opinions. That's what they are: opinions. And many times critics write about what they like/enjoy or don't like ... and that's their privilege because they hold the job of a "reviewer." Many a fine artist's career has been ruined because of bad reviews (in the large cities particularly) and sometimes by people who are not well informed about certain facets of the performing arts. We all can't know everything and some try to convince you that they do.

To be able to write meaningfully means to listen, to really hear what you are reviewing, while knowing much about music, performance practice, deportment, general presentation, professionalism, interpretation, tone quality, acoustics, good pianos, bad pianos, what went "wrong and why," balances between a soloist and accompanist etc., etc., and also what was particularly good, not just talking about the bad. It's a lot to chew on for a good music critic, and the public tends to believe what they read. Sometimes, as I stated, they can't form their own opinions (because of lack of knowledge) and take, as gospel, what somebody else has to say. It also means the critic needs to hear inordinate amounts of music in order to make comparisons and draw conclusions. I think it's fine to listen to recordings in order to perfect the art of the critic because we often hear the best from the very best. This also means attending many live performances, even those you don't review. If you respect the person who reviewed the same concert you attended, it will be interesting to compare your evaluation with the one in the newspaper. Everyone's got a different set of ears and what appeals to one doesn't to another. It also pays to have a good vocabulary and be able to put in to words exactly what you feel. Descriptions cannot just be "good" or "bad" or "mediocre," though we all tend to do this on occasion. We have to give reasons and examples of why something is good or bad. One has to develop the art of writing. It's a constant learning process.

Read lots of reviews in all kinds of publications and by all kinds of critics to determine how THEY see and hear things. But one cannot emulate or copy another writer or try to sound like them. One has to develop one's own "voice," as it were. Knowing what you are talking about will reap great rewards, a jump at the newspaper from writing obituary notices to reviewing live concerts and recordings, getting cost-free tickets to most musical events, a nice plus, but also many late nights and beating the deadline for the publication. One hopefully earns the respect of the periodical or newspaper, but more importantly, the reader who can hardly wait to read your review in the newspaper the next day.

These are just my thoughts on the subject. I don't believe there is a course in most colleges or universities to learn the art of being a critic. It is far too comprehensive in the world of the arts unless you want to specialize in one facet or another. (If I'm incorrect on that, someone is sure to call me on it!) As I said at the beginning: nobody knows everything ... it's a constant learning process, especially for the critic.
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Post by CharmNewton » Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:13 am

pianotehj wrote:Thank you!! I got interesting points to think about from each response, thanks! So I guess my follow up question now is, any recommendations for sources on music critiques? Any particular journals or on-line webpages?
I like to read Classics Today for online reviews. I enjoy reading David Hurwitz and Jed Distler. I find them both fair reviewers, knowledgeable collectors and excellent writers. Hurwitz covers mostly orchestral, concerto and chamber repertoire and Distler primarily covers pianists.

I subscribe to American Record Guide. I like Donald Vroon, the editor, as a critic and he has a wide perspective on recordings. I do not think highly of many of their reviewers and it bothers me when some disparage artists rather than the recording. But two of their writers who cover vocal recordings, Liff and Lucano, are outstanding.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:22 am

Werner wrote:As I think your post implies, there is no one answer on this subject.
Amen. By the time you get to trying to distinguish among artists' interpretations of the same works, you're pretty much past the gross strokes and into subtle nuances, where De Gustibus reigns. There is really no absolute arbiter of taste in such cases.

I cut my teeth on critiques that appeared regularly in Gramophone, Fanfare, High Fidelity, Music and Musicians, Records and Recordings, Musical Times, Musical Quarterly, Early Music, Opera Quarterly, Cambridge Guides, ENO Opera Guides, biographies, music history texts. In other words, I read voraciously in the beginning, to refine my ear for listening. The next best thing to reading about music is writing about music, if only in letters to friends, or on a forum like this. It doesn't really matter if people agree with you or not. It's more important to listen to music, read about it, and then strain your experiences thru the net of retelling them. Nothing sharpens the hearing so much.
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Post by Sapphire » Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:11 am

Many of the replies thus far are fine for someone who wants a PhD in music appreciation. For a newcomer, chances are they would be completely bowled over and bambozzled by some of these sophisticated references and advice. In my opinion and experience anyone ready for this lot wouldn't be coming on places they like for such advice; they would know it already. One of the best places for a beginner is ArkivMusic.com to see what actually sells. It's a really simple way of finding the best in music. Rubbish music and rubbish versions aren't usually successful commercially. I find such sources far more reliable than reading so-called advice of the type many of these gurus churn out.


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Re: critiquing

Post by Ricordanza » Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:44 am

pianotehj wrote:I'm realizing how difficult it is to actually describe in words what it is that attracts me to one artist over another, or even before that, what I'm looking for when I'm critiquing individual artists and their playings.
It's incredibly difficult! Several years ago, I started to send e-mail reports to several people about concerts I had attended. Later, I began to post these reports on two or three boards, including this one. Although some have responded that they enjoyed my "reviews," I insist that they are not reviews, but only personal impressions. Whatever they are, it still remains a challenge to put into words what I'm experiencing. The hardest part is describing a really great performance. What makes it great? After all these years, I still don't know how to put it. All I can do is make a lame attempt to figure out why a performance makes an emotional connection to me--why it gives me a "high" in a sense. It's easier to describe a flawed performance, but even there, unlike the professional critics, I feel constrained to avoid saying something very negative about a performer who brings plenty of training, preparation, and nerve to the act of getting up on a stage (or before a recording microphone) and presenting a work of music.

My suggestion to you is to give it a try. If you attend a concert that you like--or don't like--tell us why as best you can. Same thing for a CD you hear. We're glad to have you on board!

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