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Eichmann: A Black Feather in CIA's Cap

Post by Ralph » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:57 pm

CIA papers: U.S. failed to pursue Nazi
West Germany gave location of Eichmann, historian says

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States was told the location and approximate alias of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann more than two years before his capture but did nothing to pursue him, according to CIA documents released Tuesday.

The release of the latest set of intelligence records is part of an ongoing effort to declassify documents as part of the Nazi War Criminals Disclosure Act of 1998.

Eichmann, mastermind of the "final solution" to exterminate Jews, was captured by Israel and executed in 1962. (Watch compromises made by intelligence agencies -- 1:46)

However, in 1958 the West German intelligence service informed the CIA that Eichmann was living in Argentina using the alias Clemens, University of Virginia historian Timothy Naftali said the newly released CIA materials indicate.

The West Germans did not want to see Eichmann captured because they feared what he might say about Chancellor Konrad Adenauer's national security adviser, Hans Globke, Naftali said.

Globke had served in the Jewish Affairs department of the Nazi government during World War II and was involved in writing laws designed to remove Jews from German society.

"The CIA, which worked closely with Globke, assisted the West Germans in protecting him from Eichmann," said Naftali.

Eichmann remained at large until May 1960, when the Israeli government discovered his whereabouts and captured him in Argentina, where he was living under the name Klement.

Israeli agents kidnapped him from his Argentine hideout and smuggled him to Israel, where he was tried, convicted and hanged in 1962.

The Eichmann revelation is one of several outlined by historians who are working with members of the Interagency Working Group responsible for locating, declassifying and releasing U.S. documents related to Nazi war crimes.

In another case, Ohio University historian Norman Goda discussed records showing how former Nazi SS intelligence officer Heinz Felfe, who was recruited by the Soviet KGB after the war, was able to join the West German intelligence service set up by the United States. He eventually rose to become chief of the division responsible for surveillance of the Soviets, the records show.

"He was no common mole," Goda said in a press briefing at the National Archives Building. Felfe was in charge of operations against the Soviets while "he took his orders from the Soviets."

Goda said Felfe caused "massive damage ... as large an intelligence disaster as occurred during the Cold War."

Unlike previous releases, the documents made available Tuesday were largely unredacted.

The interagency group credited former CIA Director Porter Goss for changing the level of cooperation and allowing the release of documents.

The group, chaired by Steven Garfinkel of the National Archives and Records Administration, expects to complete its declassification efforts early next year.

"We are not yet done, but we are continuing with the important work of finding out what was done in the past so we can learn from it for the future," said one of the 1998 bill's co-sponsors, Republican Sen. Mike DeWine of Ohio, at Tuesday's briefing, according to prepared remarks.

The group includes representatives from eight federal agencies and three public members. Since 1999, the group says, it has overseen the release of some 8 million pages of U.S. government records related to crimes committed by the Nazi and Japanese governments during World War II.



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Re: Eichmann: A Black Feather in CIA's Cap

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Ralph wrote:CIA papers: U.S. failed to pursue Nazi
West Germany gave location of Eichmann, historian says


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States was told the location and approximate alias of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann more than two years before his capture but did nothing to pursue him, according to CIA documents released Tuesday.

The release of the latest set of intelligence records is part of an ongoing effort to declassify documents as part of the Nazi War Criminals Disclosure Act of 1998.

Eichmann, mastermind of the "final solution" to exterminate Jews, was captured by Israel and executed in 1962. (Watch compromises made by intelligence agencies -- 1:46)

However, in 1958 the West German intelligence service informed the CIA that Eichmann was living in Argentina using the alias Clemens, University of Virginia historian Timothy Naftali said the newly released CIA materials indicate.

The West Germans did not want to see Eichmann captured because they feared what he might say about Chancellor Konrad Adenauer's national security adviser, Hans Globke, Naftali said.

Globke had served in the Jewish Affairs department of the Nazi government during World War II and was involved in writing laws designed to remove Jews from German society.

"The CIA, which worked closely with Globke, assisted the West Germans in protecting him from Eichmann," said Naftali.

Eichmann remained at large until May 1960, when the Israeli government discovered his whereabouts and captured him in Argentina, where he was living under the name Klement.

Israeli agents kidnapped him from his Argentine hideout and smuggled him to Israel, where he was tried, convicted and hanged in 1962.

The Eichmann revelation is one of several outlined by historians who are working with members of the Interagency Working Group responsible for locating, declassifying and releasing U.S. documents related to Nazi war crimes.
There's a lot of "stuff" in this article, but I'm going to focus on Eichmann.

First, I'm not surprised by the CIA's collaboration to protect Globke, because after all, West Germany was "ours" after we divided the pie with the Russians, who were once our allies against Germany, which then became our allies against the Russians, by the time 1958 rolled around. As Tom Lehrer wrote, "allegiance ruled by expedience" :)

Anyway, the United States had made its "statement" by trying and executing a group of Nazi war criminals, and moved on. We really hadn't gotten involved in the plight of the persecuted Jews before the war's end.

So, in 1958, did the United States have a legal obligation to go after Eichmann in Argentina? Or, is this about a moral obligation to inform Israel of his whereabouts so they could track him down?

I'm a bit ignorant of our country's commitment once the war was ended and the spoils divided.

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Re: Eichmann: A Black Feather in CIA's Cap

Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:26 am

Madame wrote:
Ralph wrote:CIA papers: U.S. failed to pursue Nazi
West Germany gave location of Eichmann, historian says


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States was told the location and approximate alias of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann more than two years before his capture but did nothing to pursue him, according to CIA documents released Tuesday.

The release of the latest set of intelligence records is part of an ongoing effort to declassify documents as part of the Nazi War Criminals Disclosure Act of 1998.

Eichmann, mastermind of the "final solution" to exterminate Jews, was captured by Israel and executed in 1962. (Watch compromises made by intelligence agencies -- 1:46)

However, in 1958 the West German intelligence service informed the CIA that Eichmann was living in Argentina using the alias Clemens, University of Virginia historian Timothy Naftali said the newly released CIA materials indicate.

The West Germans did not want to see Eichmann captured because they feared what he might say about Chancellor Konrad Adenauer's national security adviser, Hans Globke, Naftali said.

Globke had served in the Jewish Affairs department of the Nazi government during World War II and was involved in writing laws designed to remove Jews from German society.

"The CIA, which worked closely with Globke, assisted the West Germans in protecting him from Eichmann," said Naftali.

Eichmann remained at large until May 1960, when the Israeli government discovered his whereabouts and captured him in Argentina, where he was living under the name Klement.

Israeli agents kidnapped him from his Argentine hideout and smuggled him to Israel, where he was tried, convicted and hanged in 1962.

The Eichmann revelation is one of several outlined by historians who are working with members of the Interagency Working Group responsible for locating, declassifying and releasing U.S. documents related to Nazi war crimes.
There's a lot of "stuff" in this article, but I'm going to focus on Eichmann.

First, I'm not surprised by the CIA's collaboration to protect Globke, because after all, West Germany was "ours" after we divided the pie with the Russians, who were once our allies against Germany, which then became our allies against the Russians, by the time 1958 rolled around. As Tom Lehrer wrote, "allegiance ruled by expedience" :)

Anyway, the United States had made its "statement" by trying and executing a group of Nazi war criminals, and moved on. We really hadn't gotten involved in the plight of the persecuted Jews before the war's end.

So, in 1958, did the United States have a legal obligation to go after Eichmann in Argentina? Or, is this about a moral obligation to inform Israel of his whereabouts so they could track him down?

I'm a bit ignorant of our country's commitment once the war was ended and the spoils divided.
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I think there was an obligation to inform the German government, the successor in prosecuting escaped Nazi war criminals to the Allied occupation powers. Whether it rose to a legal obligation is unclear. Probably not. But logically we should have passed on that information.

Even if one agrees that American national security interests might in certain cases trump the pursuit of escaped Nazi murderers, in Eichmann's case there was no actual or potential downside to our vigorously assisting in his capture.
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Post by Barry » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:27 am

As much as I hate to say it, I can't fault the CIA in this affair. Throughout the Cold War, we had to deal with a lot of devils who we'd have unquestionably behaved differently with under good circumstances. But winning, or at least not losing at that point, the Cold War was important enough, both to us and to Europe and much of the rest of the world, that letting an Eichmann go free or aiding a dictator who was willing to keep the Soviets out of his country were unfortunately necessities in a world where nations generally only have bad options (the other bad one in this case was obviously the strong risk of losing their high-ranking official as a source or helper.

We had to work with Stalin to defeat Hitler. It's not a pleasant world when it comes to the constant struggle for power.
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Re: Eichmann: A Black Feather in CIA's Cap

Post by jbuck919 » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:28 am

Ralph wrote: I think there was an obligation to inform the German government, the successor in prosecuting escaped Nazi war criminals to the Allied occupation powers. Whether it rose to a legal obligation is unclear. Probably not. But logically we should have passed on that information.

Even if one agrees that American national security interests might in certain cases trump the pursuit of escaped Nazi murderers, in Eichmann's case there was no actual or potential downside to our vigorously assisting in his capture.
And the proper method would have been for the Germans to get the Argentians to arrest him and extradict him. What the Israelis did was plainly illegal, and if Argentina would not cooperate, then the world in those days might have had to settle for being SOL.

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Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:09 am

Barry Z wrote:As much as I hate to say it, I can't fault the CIA in this affair. Throughout the Cold War, we had to deal with a lot of devils who we'd have unquestionably behaved differently with under good circumstances. But winning, or at least not losing at that point, the Cold War was important enough, both to us and to Europe and much of the rest of the world, that letting an Eichmann go free or aiding a dictator who was willing to keep the Soviets out of his country were unfortunately necessities in a world where nations generally only have bad options (the other bad one in this case was obviously the strong risk of losing their high-ranking official as a source or helper.

We had to work with Stalin to defeat Hitler. It's not a pleasant world when it comes to the constant struggle for power.
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There was no justification for in effect shielding Eichmann. The Cold War would have stayed frigid.
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Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:10 am

jbuck919 wrote:
Ralph wrote: I think there was an obligation to inform the German government, the successor in prosecuting escaped Nazi war criminals to the Allied occupation powers. Whether it rose to a legal obligation is unclear. Probably not. But logically we should have passed on that information.

Even if one agrees that American national security interests might in certain cases trump the pursuit of escaped Nazi murderers, in Eichmann's case there was no actual or potential downside to our vigorously assisting in his capture.
And the proper method would have been for the Germans to get the Argentians to arrest him and extradict him. What the Israelis did was plainly illegal, and if Argentina would not cooperate, then the world in those days might have had to settle for being SOL.
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Post by Madame » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:44 am

Ralph wrote:
Madame wrote:
Ralph wrote:CIA papers: U.S. failed to pursue Nazi
West Germany gave location of Eichmann, historian says


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States was told the location and approximate alias of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann more than two years before his capture but did nothing to pursue him, according to CIA documents released Tuesday.

However, in 1958 the West German intelligence service informed the CIA that Eichmann was living in Argentina using the alias Clemens, University of Virginia historian Timothy Naftali said the newly released CIA materials indicate.

The West Germans did not want to see Eichmann captured because they feared what he might say about Chancellor Konrad Adenauer's national security adviser, Hans Globke, Naftali said.

Globke had served in the Jewish Affairs department of the Nazi government during World War II and was involved in writing laws designed to remove Jews from German society.

"The CIA, which worked closely with Globke, assisted the West Germans in protecting him from Eichmann," said Naftali.

So, in 1958, did the United States have a legal obligation to go after Eichmann in Argentina? Or, is this about a moral obligation to inform Israel of his whereabouts so they could track him down?
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I think there was an obligation to inform the German government, the successor in prosecuting escaped Nazi war criminals to the Allied occupation powers. Whether it rose to a legal obligation is unclear. Probably not. But logically we should have passed on that information.

Even if one agrees that American national security interests might in certain cases trump the pursuit of escaped Nazi murderers, in Eichmann's case there was no actual or potential downside to our vigorously assisting in his capture.
Per the article, it was West Germany who informed the US of Eichmann's whereabouts, and the US chose to protect Globke. Whether this meant also protecting American security is subject for debate; I think they were under political pressure not to embarrass Adenauer.

Are you saying the US should have taken this information to Israel and assisted in his capture?

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I second Ralph's last post!
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Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:50 am

Madame wrote:
Ralph wrote:
Madame wrote:
Ralph wrote:CIA papers: U.S. failed to pursue Nazi
West Germany gave location of Eichmann, historian says


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States was told the location and approximate alias of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann more than two years before his capture but did nothing to pursue him, according to CIA documents released Tuesday.

However, in 1958 the West German intelligence service informed the CIA that Eichmann was living in Argentina using the alias Clemens, University of Virginia historian Timothy Naftali said the newly released CIA materials indicate.

The West Germans did not want to see Eichmann captured because they feared what he might say about Chancellor Konrad Adenauer's national security adviser, Hans Globke, Naftali said.

Globke had served in the Jewish Affairs department of the Nazi government during World War II and was involved in writing laws designed to remove Jews from German society.

"The CIA, which worked closely with Globke, assisted the West Germans in protecting him from Eichmann," said Naftali.

So, in 1958, did the United States have a legal obligation to go after Eichmann in Argentina? Or, is this about a moral obligation to inform Israel of his whereabouts so they could track him down?
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I think there was an obligation to inform the German government, the successor in prosecuting escaped Nazi war criminals to the Allied occupation powers. Whether it rose to a legal obligation is unclear. Probably not. But logically we should have passed on that information.

Even if one agrees that American national security interests might in certain cases trump the pursuit of escaped Nazi murderers, in Eichmann's case there was no actual or potential downside to our vigorously assisting in his capture.
Per the article, it was West Germany who informed the US of Eichmann's whereabouts, and the US chose to protect Globke. Whether this meant also protecting American security is subject for debate; I think they were under political pressure not to embarrass Adenauer.

Are you saying the US should have taken this information to Israel and assisted in his capture?
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Post by Madame » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:57 am

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And the proper method would have been for the Germans to get the Argentians to arrest him and extradict him. What the Israelis did was plainly illegal, and if Argentina would not cooperate, then the world in those days might have had to settle for being SOL.
Yeah, yeah, yeah .... well, the Germans DIDN'T follow its legal prerogative. Eichmann was a criminal. Those who had "legal" recourse didn't care. But Israel cared ... and we knew it ... and we knew they would eventually track the guy down. Don't even talk "illegal", Israel did the dirty work that others could have done and chose not to.

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Post by Barry » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:30 am

Ralph wrote: No doubt about it, what Israel did was illegal. Yea for the Israelis!!!!!!!!!
I agree. I'm not in any way sorry they got him. I'm just not willing to fault those at the CIA who made the decision not to risk losing their source.
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Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:32 pm

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jbuck919 wrote:
And the proper method would have been for the Germans to get the Argentians to arrest him and extradict him. What the Israelis did was plainly illegal, and if Argentina would not cooperate, then the world in those days might have had to settle for being SOL.
Yeah, yeah, yeah .... well, the Germans DIDN'T follow its legal prerogative. Eichmann was a criminal. Those who had "legal" recourse didn't care. But Israel cared ... and we knew it ... and we knew they would eventually track the guy down. Don't even talk "illegal", Israel did the dirty work that others could have done and chose not to.
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You know, in this instance I can't apply the term "dirty work" to Israel's action any more than I would to their strike at Entebbe which was a real violation of international law.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:51 pm

Madame wrote: CIA papers: U.S. failed to pursue Nazi
West Germany gave location of Eichmann, historian says
This isn't really news. You and others here might be interested in this title

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Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:22 pm

Getting back to our topic after that little digression, Loftus was on Batchelor tonight. He said he appeared on 60 Minutes in 1982 to address the issue of the American Government concealing Nazi War Criminals even in the US since the late 40s. He had read all the documents, knew about the networks and how the War Criminals got out. He said he was denounced by the CIA and Justice for his disclosure. When Batchelor asked why the US government would do that, he said that British diplomat and then-unknown Soviet Agent Kim Philby had sold the Americans on the idea that these were good little anti-Communists. But, Loftus went on to say, the lot of them was riddled with Soviet Agents. When Batchelor asked why the CIA didn't do anything about it when they learned the truth after Philby defected, Loftus said that Allan Dulles, then head of the CIA, had laundered money for and the Nazis and funnled money to them for domestic investors in the 20s and 30s and he had to protect his clients and ultimately his own behind.
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Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:36 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:Getting back to our topic after that little digression, Loftus was on Batchelor tonight. He said he appeared on 60 Minutes in 1982 to address the issue of the American Government concealing Nazi War Criminals even in the US since the late 40s. He had read all the documents, knew about the networks and how the War Criminals got out. He said he was denounced by the CIA and Justice for his disclosure. When Batchelor asked why the US government would do that, he said that British diplomat and then-unknown Soviet Agent Kim Philby had sold the Americans on the idea that these were good little anti-Communists. But, Loftus went on to say, the lot of them was riddled with Soviet Agents. When Batchelor asked why the CIA didn't do anything about it when they learned the truth after Philby defected, Loftus said that Allan Dulles, then head of the CIA, had laundered money for the Nazis and funnled money to them for domestic investors in the 20s and 30s and he had to protect his clients and ultimately his own behind.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:44 pm

When Batchelor asked about how many more documents than the 27,000 released the other day were there, Loftus said "millions of linear feet in shelf space," about 1/3 of which are products of non-US intelligence operations, such as British, which have something like a 75 year holding period. Everyone who could go on trial will be long dead.
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Re: Eichmann: A Black Feather in CIA's Cap

Post by Madame » Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:05 am

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You know, in this instance I can't apply the term "dirty work" to Israel's action any more than I would to their strike at Entebbe which was a real violation of international law.
You are right, mine was a poor choice of words. I meant to convey that Israel had every justification in going after Eichmann, particularly when those who should have, legally and morally, didn't want to get their own hands dirty.

I think concern for "security" was a copout. It wasn't compromised in 1960 any more than it would have been in 1958. Globke was deeply entrenched in the re-Nazification of Germany (which had been the plan as early as 1945) and was second in command to Adenauer. Asking the German government to pursue war criminals was akin to asking your cat to guard your tuna sandwich.

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Post by Madame » Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:12 am

Ralph wrote:
Madame wrote: Are you saying the US should have taken this information to Israel and assisted in his capture?
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Exactly! Mine was really a rhetorical question ... we've come full circle and are on the same page, though my wandering around the topic may suggest otherwise. Yes, bravo to the Israelis!

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