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New Information about Zarqawi's Death

Post by Corlyss_D » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:50 pm

Al-Zarqawi was alive after bombing: U.S. military
Last Updated Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:06:40 EDT
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Musab al-Zarqawi initially survived the American air strike in which he was fatally injured, a U.S. general said Friday.

Maj.-Gen. William Caldwell describes the attack that killed Musab al-Zarqawi at a news conference in Baghdad on Friday.

"From the debriefs [I've had] this morning, Zarqawi did, in fact, survive the air strike," Maj.-Gen. William Caldwell told a news conference in Baghdad.

Iraqi police put al-Zarqawi on a stretcher and U.S.-led coalition forces identified him by the distinguishing marks on his body, Caldwell said. Military officials had earlier said those included tattoos and scars.

He said troops on the scene gave medical assistance to the insurgent leader, but that he died almost immediately after he was found.

Before he succumbed to his injuries, al-Zarqawi tried to struggle on the stretcher and mumbled indistinguishably.

Caldwell said al-Zarqawi was the only one of six people — three men and three women — killed in Wednesday's attack to be found alive immediately after U.S. forces bombed the safe house in which they were staying, located approximately 50 kilometres northeast of Baghdad in the province of Diyala.

The safehouse was destroyed by two 225-kilogram bombs launched from an Air Force F-16.

Al-Zarqawi, who had a $25-million bounty on his head, was killed at 6:15 p.m. Initial reports were that 10 people — including a child — had died.

All killed in attack were adults

Caldwell said Friday all of those killed were adults. He added that official casualty tallies from such operations often take several hours or days.

Al-Zarqawi's face was "very, very bloodied" and a decision was made to clean him up before his remains were photographed, Caldwell said. He added that none of the pictures had been digitally enhanced.

The military spokesman also denied al-Zarqawi had been shot.

"There was nothing in the report that suggested he suffered wounds from weapons," Caldwell said.

The leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, al-Zarqawi was believed responsible for numerous car and suicide bombings, as well as the beheadings of foreign and Iraqi hostages.

Biological samples from his body have been sent to the FBI in Virginia for DNA testing, with results expected in three days.
This image of Musab al-Zarqawi was displayed by the U.S. military at a news conference in Baghdad. (U.S. Military/AP)

Bush thrilled at news

U.S. President George W. Bush on Friday said he was "thrilled" the militant leader has been "brought to justice."

"This man has a lot of blood on his hands," said Bush, who spoke at a joint news conference with Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen at Camp David.

Al-Zarqawi's death won't end the violence in Iraq, but it will help a lot in the overall war on terror, Bush said.

"The upper management of al-Qaeda was counting on al-Zarqawi to implement their vision outside of Iraq," he said.

"Part of their strategy is to create turmoil in moderate Muslim nations. Al-Zarqawi was the creator of that strategy."

Bush will remain at the Maryland retreat for high-level cabinet talks Monday on the future of Iraq.

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John Hinderaker of Powerline described some of the MSM reporters at the news conference as thinking they had stumbled on a story of Zarqawi's murder by US troops after he was taken alive from the wreckage. Their eagerly relentless efforts to discredit the administration beggar the imagination.
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Post by Haydnseek » Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:03 pm

I liked this comment by James Taranto of OpinionJournal: "It's especially gratifying to think that Zarqawi spent his final minutes fully aware of who got him."
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Post by Werner » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:21 pm

This guy Hinderaker's (who in hell is he?) hint of the socalled MSM people (No names mentioned) of virtually treasonable activities is is disreputable and disgusting.
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Post by Ralph » Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:24 pm

I just read an online report that the terrorist was traced through a 75-minute cell phone call to Berkshire Record Outlet where he was placing a huge order for classical CDs. He apparently gave his real Discovery Card information and mailing address.
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Post by RebLem » Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:48 pm

Werner wrote:This guy Hinderaker's (who in hell is he?) hint of the socalled MSM people (No names mentioned) of virtually treasonable activities is is disreputable and disgusting.
Warner,

What are you talking about? Did you read the article? I did, and I decided to include the full, short text here so people can easily judge the accusation that reporters were engaged in treasonous activity. The standard of journalism always is, "If your mother says she loves you, check it out." That is drummed into Journalism 101 students from Day 1. Anyway, here is the article in question. Judge for yourselves.

Additional comments by yours truly after the article.

June 09, 2006

Zarqawi Survived Strike; Press Corps Suspects Foul Play

General William Caldwell told a press conference this morning that Musab al-Zarqawi survived the bombing of this safe house, at least briefly, and was still alive when the first U.S. and Iraqi forces arrived on the scene. This strikes me as a point of little importance, although I would like to think that, at least for a brief moment, Zarqawi knew what hit him.

But the journalists who participated in the press conference, apparently by satellite, seemed to think they were on the trail of a Cover-Up. I saw most of the press conference early this morning. News of Zarqawi's brief survival immediately led to questions about whether he had been finished off by the troops, and whether our soldiers had tried to render first aid. At one point, a reporter asked whether the published photos of Zarqawi's face had been Photoshopped to make them look more like Zarqawi. I don't think Caldwell had any idea what the guy was talking about; he said Yes, we decided to clean up Zarqawi's face before photographing him. This led to a follow-up question about whether the photos had been digitally enhanced.

At this and other points in the press conference, Gen. Caldwell had the look, I thought, of a normal person who wonders whether he has been transported into a world of lunatics. It seemed that some of the reporters, at least, thought they were on to another "scandal"--Zarqawi murdered by U.S. troops! In cold blood, as Jack Murtha likes to say.

I haven't seen a video of the press conference on the web, but if anyone can send us a link to either audio or video of the press conference (not the later Fox interview), I'd like to put up an audio clip or two.
Blog of the Week TigerHawk as thoughts, too, on Zarqawi's Undamaged Face.

Posted by John at 02:11 PM
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014350.php

I think Mr. Hinderaker has it exactly right on one point. What we have here is partly a generational misunderstanding. Gen. Caldwell, I would guess, is not fully computer literate. He does not understand what the word "photoshopped" means, and he made the mistake of trying to fake it. The reporter, with the presumption typical of the computer literate, assumed that everyone knows what the word means. It is bad reporting, but hardly treasonous.

Furthermore, I object to the statement contained in Corylss's headline that this is "new" information. If you were up and watching TV when this was first announced, as I was, you would know that the earliest reports were that Zarqawi had survived and had been taken to a hospital, and reporters were scrambling around trying to find out which hospital and to nail down information about his then current condition. This all changed later when they held the Baghdad press conference, held after the high commands of the US and Iraqi forces had had a chance to get their stories together. From that point on until today, the Official Story was that everyone in the building, including Zarqawi, had been killed on the scene and were dead when the first Iraqis arrived, and when the first Americans arrived on the ground shortly thereafter.

I know this because I keep vampire hours. :D And, part of my point is that the reporters at today's press conference perhaps did, too. Why did the military decide to return to telling the truth (well, at least part of the truth; perhaps not all of it)? Perhaps because they knew, after mature reflection, that too many people had seen the first stories for them to maintain that the complete shift to the DOA position, without any acknowledgement of the fact that it contradicted the early reports, was simply unsustainable. Perhaps it was pressure from other bloggers, and a certain radio host and his callers in that made the difference. I don't know.

But there WAS a coverup in process. The only question is, has it now stopped completely, or are they still covering up part of the truth?
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Post by Werner » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:08 pm

Nothing you describe - and compliments for watching this story develop - contradicts the impression which is so reminiscent of the Karl Rove tactics of defaming the presumed political opposition by slandering their actions or presumed intentions.

That there was confusion as the story played out is quite possible - nothing is clearcut in these situations at the outset. I suppose these guys are still after Zarqawi - or would they mind swallowing one or two of the defamed (and the true heroes) "liberals?"

As to what I'm talking about, I was responding to Corlyss' comment - and the mention of the Hinderaker remarks - at the bottom of her original post.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:16 pm

The report that Zarqawi was still alive when they pulled him out of the rubble was new to me when I read it for the first time this AM. Hence the term. I spoke this PM with my buddy in the Reserves, and he had not heard the report either.

I feel like I'd like to dispute with Werner but I didn't understand what he was talking about. I think he was so mad he was sputtering. But I do agree with his paraphrase of "the first 3 reports are wrong."
Reb wrote:But there WAS a coverup in process.
Typical leftwing paranoid hypocrisy. How can you slam this administration for being too stupid to come in out of the rain on the one hand, yet believe they are so cunning and capable that they can cover up anything? You can't have it both ways.

If the boys at Powerline can tear themselves away from the World Cup long enough to put up the video of the news conference in issue, I'll link to it here.
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Post by Werner » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:24 pm

I don't usually sputter - I think. And, like I'd suspect evryone here, what's important to me is that this monster got what he deserved. Let'em all talk until they're out of breath, but that's the essence.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:26 pm

Werner wrote:I don't usually sputter - I think.
I know. I was just nudging you about the double "is". I could almost hear you. :lol:
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Post by RebLem » Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:33 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:The report that Zarqawi was still alive when they pulled him out of the rubble was new to me when I read it for the first time this AM. Hence the term. I spoke this PM with my buddy in the Reserves, and he had not heard the report either.

I feel like I'd like to dispute with Werner but I didn't understand what he was talking about. I think he was so mad he was sputtering. But I do agree with his paraphrase of "the first 3 reports are wrong."
Reb wrote:But there WAS a coverup in process.
Typical leftwing paranoid hypocrisy. How can you slam this administration for being too stupid to come in out of the rain on the one hand, yet believe they are so cunning and capable that they can cover up anything? You can't have it both ways.

If the boys at Powerline can tear themselves away from the World Cup long enough to put up the video of the news conference in issue, I'll link to it here.
Well, I sure don't know what Werner is talking about, either, esp. in the last paragraph of his first post after my first post, so I sympathize with you there, Corlyss.

Saying that my post is "leftwing paranoid hypocrisy" has several things wrong with it. First of all, its an oxymoron; paranoic people are virtually always sncere. They don't have it psychologically together enough to be devious or hypocritical.

Secondly, it is an ad hominem argument. My statement that there was a cover-up was preceded with a lot of particular evidence on which I had based that conclusion. You chose not to answer any of those specific points, but instead to use a slime tactic designed to intimidate, not me, but others who perhaps may agree with me but are not psychologically capable of dealing with the stress of being slimed. It is a tactic which you often engage in, and it has the effect, intended or not, of suppressing discussion, not fostering it.

Yes, I can have it both ways. Here's how. I believe George Bush is really not very bright. Yeah, yeah, he got thru Yale as an undergrad and Harvard for his MBA. Its easy to do when you are awarded gentlemen's Cs cuz yer daddy has lots of money available for the endowment fund or for specific projects.

I believe George W himself (not his daddy; his daddy is a very bright fellow, and so is brother Jeb--there are other problems with them, esp. Jeb) is just not very bright, but he is a nice guy in the ordinary meaning of the term. Nice guy at a barbecue, as the saying goes. But he has the sort of uncritical alleged mind that just accepts without questioning all the pitiful little social and economic voodoo theories his friends at the Kennebunkport Yacht Club feed him. He is a prime example of what Socrates was talking about when he spoke of the dangers of living the unexamined life.

OTOH, a whole bunch of folk at PNAC primarily, but including other right wing organizations have chosen Pretzel Prez as their hail fellow well met front man. These people are evil and they are smart. That is the other part of the equation. They are the folk really running the show. That's why George Bush is described as so "loyal." Its not that he's loyal, its that he's not really the one in charge.
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Post by Werner » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:07 pm

Well, if you don't know what I was talking about earlier on, I won't take you back to the details to explain it to you, Reb.

It's not important, since I agree with your latest post, and it seems we're on the same page.
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Post by RebLem » Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:35 pm

For a couple years, I have occasionally--re: too infrequently--been visiting the website of a remarkable writer, an Iraqi woman living in Baghdad who calls herself Riverbend. www.riverbendblog.blogspot.com I thought you might be interested in her take on all this. If you are interested, she has all her entries archived for easy convenience, right back to the first day she started blogging. So, without further ado--


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Saturday, June 10, 2006

Zarqawi...

So 'Zarqawi' is finally dead. It was an interesting piece of news that greeted us yesterday morning (or was it the day before? I've lost track of time…). I didn't bother with the pictures and film they showed of him because I, personally, have been saturated with images of broken, bleeding bodies.

The reactions have been different. There's a general consensus amongst family and friends that he won't be missed, whoever he is. There is also doubt- who was he really? Did he even exist? Was he truly the huge terror the Americans made him out to be? When did he actually die? People swear he was dead back in 2003… The timing is extremely suspicious: just when people were getting really fed up with the useless Iraqi government, Zarqawi is killed and Maliki is hailed the victorious leader of the occupied world! (And no- Iraqis aren't celebrating in the streets- worries over electricity, water, death squads, tests, corpses and extremists in high places prevail right now.)

I've been listening to reactions- mostly from pro-war politicians and the naïveté they reveal is astounding. Maliki (the current Iraqi PM) was almost giddy as he made the news public (he had even gone the extra mile and shaved!). Do they really believe it will end the resistance against occupation? As long as foreign troops are in Iraq, resistance or 'insurgency' will continue- why is that SO difficult to understand? How is that concept a foreign one?

"A new day for Iraqis" is the current theme of the Iraqi puppet government and the Americans. Like it was "A New Day for Iraqis" on April 9, 2003 . And it was "A New Day for Iraqis" when they killed Oday and Qusay. Another "New Day for Iraqis" when they caught Saddam. More "New Day" when they drafted the constitution… I'm beginning to think it's like one of those questions they give you on IQ tests: If 'New' is equal to 'More' and 'Day' is equal to 'Suffering', what does "New Day for Iraqis" mean?

How do I feel? To hell with Zarqawi (or Zayrkawi as Bush calls him). He was an American creation- he came along with them- they don't need him anymore, apparently. His influence was greatly exaggerated but he was the justification for every single family they killed through military strikes and troops. It was WMD at first, then it was Saddam, then it was Zarqawi. Who will it be now? Who will be the new excuse for killing and detaining Iraqis? Or is it that an excuse is no longer needed- they have freedom to do what they want. The slaughter in Haditha months ago proved that. "They don't need him anymore," our elderly neighbor waved the news away like he was shooing flies, "They have fifty Zarqawis in government."

So now that Zarqawi is dead, and because according to Bush and our Iraqi puppets he was behind so much of Iraq's misery- things should get better, right? The car bombs should lessen, the ethnic cleansing will come to a halt, military strikes and sieges will die down… That's what we were promised, wasn't it? That sounds good to me. Now- who do they have to kill to stop the Ministry of Interior death squads, and trigger-happy foreign troops?


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Post by Ralph » Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:16 pm

Riverbend would be a huge hit on American TV, especially on Fox.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:46 pm

Here's a roundup of many Iraqi blogs. Cautious optimism appears the order of the early post-Zarqawi era.

http://jarrarsupariver.blogspot.com/
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Post by RebLem » Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:32 pm

It was a real bad day for the virgins in heaven, too.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:57 pm

RebLem wrote:It was a real bad day for the virgins in heaven, too.
But the Virginians are having a field day. :D
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