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Carville and Greenberg Blow Kisses To The Field

Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:27 pm

Why these two guys continue to pump out memoranda on how to beat the Republicans when they haven't done it in 14 years is completely beyond me. They are younger Bob Schrums.

http://www.democracycorps.com/reports/a ... 6_Memo.pdf

They keep emphasizing the poll results on such questions as direction of the country and unhappiness with the war. What they don't tell their readers is that people simply aren't voting for the Democrats. At some point, strategy has to take account of that fact. The only people that Democrats can beat are other Democrats. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I particularly like:
If the Democrats and challengers fail to show voters something more, this disillusionment could show itself in fragmentation to smaller parties and more likely, a stay-at-home protest. The current measures of potential Democratic turnout and enthusiasm are not impressive. And while it is likely that a low turnout election will hurt Republicans more than Democrats, a stay-away protest vote could also cut into the margin Democrats might have achieved.

There has been no improvement in feelings about the Democrats in this change environment; in fact positive views of the party have actually declined over the past few months, with negative assessments slightly higher than positive ones.
There's one reason for this IMO: the American people understand that this is another security election and they ain't about to give the Pacifist Mommy Party the license to handle security.
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Post by jbuck919 » Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:07 pm

You awarded yourself seven laugheys for that? Shame on you.

The Democrats are on the losing side, no doubt, but it has nothing to do with macro-concerns, which have become irretrievably non-partisan. It has to do with micro-concerns which the Republicans have latched onto to their advantage, in particular the agenda of the religious right. Do you really gloat over the fact that the party you favor still officially wants to virtually eliminate abortion rights (a fact about which you are famously in denial)?

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:20 pm

jbuck919 wrote:You awarded yourself seven laugheys for that? Shame on you.
:P What? I'm prevented from chuckling?
The Democrats are on the losing side, no doubt, but it has nothing to do with macro-concerns, which have become irretrievably non-partisan. It has to do with micro-concerns which the Republicans have latched onto to their advantage, in particular the agenda of the religious right.


You are totally wrong, John. If the security issue weren't backing up voter thought processes, the Dems might be getting some traction. They aren't. They can't raise the war in Iraq because their pacifism is stuck like glue to them. Nobody believes their protestations that they would "fight" it or the war on Islamofascism smarter. Everyone knows they would cut and run at the earliest opportunity or start taking suggestions from Kofi Annan on how to win it. They wouldn't have the fortitude to resist their pacifist base. Hell, they can't manage their pacifist abortion rights gay rights base now. Of course if the Republicans raise the war, they run into the incompetence issue, so the Republicans are not going to raise the war, but they don't have to. Americans know this is another security election.
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Post by jbuck919 » Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:41 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:You awarded yourself seven laugheys for that? Shame on you.
:P What? I'm prevented from chuckling?
The Democrats are on the losing side, no doubt, but it has nothing to do with macro-concerns, which have become irretrievably non-partisan. It has to do with micro-concerns which the Republicans have latched onto to their advantage, in particular the agenda of the religious right.


You are totally wrong, John. If the security issue weren't backing up voter thought processes, the Dems might be getting some traction. They aren't. They can't raise the war in Iraq because their pacifism is stuck like glue to them. Nobody believes their protestations that they would "fight" it or the war on Islamofascism smarter. Everyone knows they would cut and run at the earliest opportunity or start taking suggestions from Kofi Annan on how to win it. They wouldn't have the fortitude to resist their pacifist base. Hell, they can't manage their pacifist abortion rights gay rights base now. Of course if the Republicans raise the war, they run into the incompetence issue, so the Republicans are not going to raise the war, but they don't have to. Americans know this is another security election.
Er, have you noticed how close the last two presidential elections were? How narrow a margin one party has in Congress? This is not determined by grand concerns of world sweep but by who can play better to the petty concerns of small groups that can make the swing. If only those "petty" concerns didn't include, well, you know my list.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:58 pm

jbuck919 wrote: Er, have you noticed how close the last two presidential elections were?
Close counts only in horseshoes.
How narrow a margin one party has in Congress?
The narrowness of the margin is not as significant as the fact that a party that dominated this nation for close to 75 years (congressionally of course) can't field any candidates or messages that will restore them to the power they so obviously desperately want.:D
This is not determined by grand concerns of world sweep but by who can play better to the petty concerns of small groups that can make the swing. If only those "petty" concerns didn't include, well, you know my list.
Call those 70+% margins by which the marriage amendments pass in states where it is offered "small groups," do ya? The 80+% of people, including liberals, who think some restrictions on abortion are warranted are a benighted petty "small group," is it? What is that? Some kind of new math? I would pay, pay for you to go be an advisor to the Democratic strategists. As long as they think like you, they will be in the political wilderness.
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Post by RebLem » Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:18 am

Well, lets just all realize that this next election will take place after most of this year's hurricane season is over. When Bushco shows they haven't learned a damn thing from last year, well, eventually, their incompetence at everything except sliming their opponents and driving down the dollar in international markets with their irresponsible fiscal policies will catch up with them.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:30 pm

RebLem wrote: When Bushco shows they haven't learned a damn thing from last year
You mean like the brilliant folks that insist on living in a city sinking farther and farther below sea level and who not only don't have the sense to get out when they are nearly destroyed by definitely repeatable natural disaster, but who insist on rebuilding in the same damn places with someone else's money? If Bush had any gumption (in all its definitions), he would veto any and every reconstruction bill the gullible witless but certainly sympathetic Congress sends to him. Pardon me but people that dumb don't deserve rescuing, and certainly not with my tax dollar. No offence to any of our members from NO - this is a public policy issue, not a personal one.
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