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Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:06 pm

STABBINGS IN NEW YORK: ‘IT’S THE CRIMINALS, STUPID,’ CCRKBA TELLS BLOOMBERG

BELLEVUE, WA – Four high-profile stabbings within 24 hours in New York City prompted the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) to predict that rabidly anti-gun Mayor Michael Bloomberg will now start campaigning for knife control laws.

The victims included two women tourists who were together in Times Square, a Texas man who was attacked on a subway, and a local resident who was also stabbed on a subway, according to the Reuters news agency.

“I fully expect the mayor to start ranting about ‘crime knives’ and how the nation needs a law to stop ‘illegal blades’ from being smuggled in from other states with lax cutlery laws,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. “I say to Bloomberg, ‘It’s not guns, or knives, it’s the criminals, stupid!’

“While New Yorkers and tourists are bleeding from knife wounds,” he added, “Bloomberg is obsessed about guns. He’s mounted legally-questionable ‘sting’ operations in other states with private investigators and apparently interfered with on-going serious criminal investigations by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.”

Bloomberg’s focus on guns may be diverting important law enforcement resources away from combating all violent crime, Gottlieb suggested.

“What this demonstrates beyond any doubt is that criminals will harm victims with whatever weapon they have at their disposal,” Gottlieb stressed. “Even if Bloomberg were able to disarm every law abiding gun owner in this country, which seems to be his goal, criminals will still be out there committing violent crimes with knives, clubs, bricks, or guns they take from cops. You don’t stop criminals by disarming their victims.

“If New York had a sensible concealed carry law like those now in effect in some 40 states where average citizens have a right to carry for their personal protection,” Gottlieb insisted, “this kind of thing would not be happening in broad daylight in downtown New York City. Instead of harping about guns, Bloomberg should be campaigning to overturn generations of restrictive, regressive and discriminatory New York gun laws to enable his constituents to fight back. Until he does that, he’s not part of the solution, he’s part of the problem.
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Post by jbuck919 » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:18 pm

Do you honestly think that being armed with a firearm would have prevented these surprise attacks? I know I don't have those kinds of reflexes. In a city with eight million people, odd though tragic coincidences like this are going to happen. If eveybody in a city like New York walked around under the auspices of a "sensible carry law," they would solve the problem very quicikly by reducing the populatation to the level where it didn't matter anymore. Then maybe I could afford a place on the upper East Side.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:37 pm

Criminal uncertainty about whether the victim is armed is one of the best deterents to crime. Criminal certainty that the victim unarmed is one of the strongest provocations.
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Post by Lilith » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:41 pm

"Criminal uncertainty about whether the victim is armed is one of the best deterents to crime. Criminal certainty that the victim unarmed is one of the strongest provocations." Corlyss
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Post by Werner » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:47 pm

Sheer nonsense of the usual kind, advocating armed anarchy under the guise of shilling for untrammeled trade in deadly weapons.

Can you imagine a populace riding the subways, armed and ready for the real (or, in most cases, imagined) threat from the guy sitting across from you?

I'll go with Bloomberg and the great majority of law enforcement professionals in disdaining such idiocy.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:55 pm

Liberal myths, Werner. You have no statistics to back you up. None.
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Post by Werner » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:14 pm

You need statistics for this pablum? Fire up the NRA propaganda machine, and they'll drown you in all the spurious "statistics" you want - just don't fall for them
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Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:12 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:Criminal uncertainty about whether the victim is armed is one of the best deterents to crime. Criminal certainty that the victim unarmed is one of the strongest provocations.
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The assailant in the New York cases appears to be mentally unbalanced. These weren't robberies but sudden and unprovoked assaults. That kind of offender is deterred by nothing.
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Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:29 pm

*** THIS SECTION IS CURRENT THROUGH CH. 60, 04/26/2006 ***
*** WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CHS. 2, 3, 18, 21-24, 26-49 and 52 ***

PENAL LAW
PART THREE. SPECIFIC OFFENSES
TITLE P. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC SAFETY
ARTICLE 265. FIREARMS AND OTHER DANGEROUS WEAPONS


GO TO CODE ARCHIVE DIRECTORY FOR THIS JURISDICTION

NY CLS Penal § 265.00 (2006)

§ 265.00. Definitions

As used in this article and in article four hundred, the following terms shall mean and include:

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4. "Switchblade knife" means any knife which has a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife.

5. "Gravity knife" means any knife which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force which, when released, is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever or other device.

5-a. "Pilum ballistic knife" means any knife which has a blade which can be projected from the handle by hand pressure applied to a button, lever, spring or other device in the handle of the knife.

5-b. "Metal knuckle knife" means a weapon that, when closed, cannot function as a set of metal knuckles, nor as a knife and when open, can function as both a set of metal knuckles as well as a knife.
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Post by jbuck919 » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:38 pm

Laws against certain types of knives, notably switchblade, have been around for a long time. Students may not bring a kinfe of any type to school, and I sometimes wonder that I am allowed to have my Swiss Army knife there so that I can open packages.

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Post by Ralph » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:39 pm

Here he allegedly is. I mean here he is who allegedly is the assailant:

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Post by RebLem » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:19 pm

I think it is safe to say that the residents of NYC are all in favor of weapons controls. It constantly amazes me that lots of people a couple thousand miles away think the mayor of NYC is an idiot for representing his constituents, the people who voted for him, rather than their own views. I just have never been able to figure out where such overweening arrogance comes from. And they don't even try to be subtle about it.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:45 pm

Ralph wrote:The assailant in the New York cases appears to be mentally unbalanced.
Aren't they all after they talk to their defense attorneys?
That kind of offender is deterred by nothing.
Oh, I think a well-placed .40 or .45 would have done the trick. Especially a soft-nosed one.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:52 am

RebLem wrote:I think it is safe to say that the residents of NYC are all in favor of weapons controls. It constantly amazes me that lots of people a couple thousand miles away think the mayor of NYC is an idiot for representing his constituents, the people who voted for him, rather than their own views.
Of course, we'll never know because he'd never put it to a vote. Wouldn't want unpleasant reality to go against the liberal mantras . . . . And how far exactly is Albuquerque from NYC . . . ?
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Post by Corlyss_D » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:54 am

Werner wrote:You need statistics for this pablum?
You need statistics for any sound public policy. Gun control laws bear about as much relation to gun crime control as King Canute's command does to the tide receding.

As criminologist Gary Kleck pointed out:

Fixating on guns seems to be, for many people, a fetish which allows [gun-control advocates] to ignore the more intransigent causes of American violence, including its dying cities, inequality, deteriorating family structure, and the all-pervasive economic and social consequences of a history of slavery and racism .... All parties to the crime debate would do well to give more concentrated attention to more difficult, but far more relevant, issues like how to generate more good-paying jobs for the underclass, an issue which is at the heart of the violence problem.
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Post by Ralph » Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:34 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
Ralph wrote:The assailant in the New York cases appears to be mentally unbalanced.
Aren't they all after they talk to their defense attorneys?
That kind of offender is deterred by nothing.
Oh, I think a well-placed .40 or .45 would have done the trick. Especially a soft-nosed one.
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Your usual nonsense, Corlyss. When an attack is random, motiveless and has no indicia of robbery or personal relationships it doesn't take a lawyer to see that there's something wrong mentally with the attacker. Whether he/she meets the standard of mental incompetence to stand trial is another matter.
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New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
Cabbies watch in horror, rush to help

Wednesday, June 14th, 2006

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Joseph Casseus was standing with three fellow cabbies on W. 47th St. when a man materialized from the early morning darkness in a black cap, black T-shirt and navy blue pants.

The man seemed to be in his early 20s and was about 5-feet-5. He shook hands with each of the cabbies.

"He said, 'How are you guys?'" Casseus later recalled.

The man's handshake was hardly firm.

"Very light," Casseus remembered. "But his face very bad."

The visage under the cap brim told the 56-year-old Brooklyn cabbie that this was somebody with serious problems.

"When you look at the guy face-to-face, you see something is wrong," Casseus recalled. "We ask him, 'Where are you from?' He said, 'Jersey.'"

One of the other cabbies offered some advice regarding the streets at this hour.

"He said, 'You better go back where you came from. The city is very dangerous. You don't want to stay out here,'" Casseus recalled.

As if heeding this wise counsel, the man started west down the block. He had gone only a few steps when he encountered two young women coming the other way. He appeared to grab one of them in the stomach area and she pushed him away.

"She said, 'Get away from me!'" Casseus recalled.

The women continued past the cabbies and on across Broadway. The man was following, and the cabbies did not take their eyes off him for an instant.

"We were watching the guy step by step," Casseus said. "We [were] feeling something coming."

The man was passing the construction site for the new TKTS kiosk when the cabbies saw him sweep his hand past the backs of both women.

"I thought he was just touching," Casseus recalled.

Casseus then saw one of the women clutch herself and slump to a sitting position on the pavement.

"She said, 'I got stabbed!'" Casseus recalled.

The other woman turned back toward the cabbies and announced that she also had been stabbed. The man ambled on across Seventh Ave.

"Walking like he did nothing," Casseus said.

The cabbies responded reflexively, without a word of discussion.

"We ran after him," Casseus recalled.

No cops were in evidence. Casseus and one of the other cabbies called 911 as they trailed the man onto Seventh Ave.

"I said, 'Somebody got stabbed. Come right away,'" Casseus recalled.

The cabbies stayed behind the man as he turned down the east side of Seventh Ave. Casseus felt not a shiver of fear.

"I'm not scared, because we have to get this guy. That's it," Casseus said.

Halfway down the block, the man ducked into a McDonald's.

The cabbies and a doorman from the W hotel positioned themselves at the door to prevent the stabber from slipping away in the minutes before the police arrived.

The cabbies were still explaining the situation to the cops when the man emerged.

"He was surprised when he saw the cops," Casseus said.

The man was handcuffed and a folding knife with a 3-1/2-inch blade was found on him. The cops gave the cabbies all the reward they needed.

"They said, 'Thank you, guys,'" Casseus said.

By then, the two young women had been taken to the hospital. Casseus learned that the same man was suspected of stabbing a tourist on the C train the day before.

The man was also eyed in the stabbing of a Mexican immigrant in the subway and then menacing a deli clerk on Broadway shortly before he approached the cabbies with his very light handshake and very bad face.

He might have gone on to hurt any number of other people were it not for Casseus and his comrades.

"I'd do it again, because I have kids," Casseus said. "It could happen to them - it could happen to anybody in 10 seconds."

These four heroic hacks should impart some perspective to the media talk in recent days of cabbies from hell. Some cabbies are undeniably from a place much closer to heaven.

"This is the proof, because we got the guy," Casseus said.
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Heart's in right place
BY NANCY DILLON and CARRIE MELAGO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Thursday, June 15th, 2006

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The 3-1/2-inch knife jammed into the chest of a Texas tourist came within millimeters of killing him - yet in a remarkable show of compassion the young man forgave his attacker yesterday.

Christopher McCarthy, 21, expressed concern for the accused madman moments after waking up early yesterday to find his high school sweetheart - who witnessed the Tuesday subway stabbing - and his parents at his hospital bedside.

"My son has forgiven his attacker and hopes he can get help," said McCarthy's father, Joseph. "It wasn't my first thought. I give Christopher a lot of credit for that."

The injured tourist, a part-time student who runs the Houston computer repair and design company his dad started, was removed from a ventilator and breathing on his own less than a day after the random attack nearly took his life.

During emergency surgery Tuesday night, doctors at St. Luke's Hospital repaired the 11/2-inch puncture wound that damaged the right side of McCarthy's heart.

"I would say he's extremely lucky given the location of the injury," said Dr. Raymond Wedderburn, chief of trauma surgery.

The single stab wound injured the right ventricle of McCarthy's heart and caused a massive amount of blood to pool inside his chest cavity.

"It went through the full thickness of the angiowall of the heart," Wedderburn explained.

McCarthy was still drifting in and out of consciousness when his parents arrived from Houston early yesterday after Mayor Bloomberg's aides reached out to them and arranged the emergency trip. McCarthy was talking and in good spirits by yesterday afternoon, though still exhausted.

"He was obviously pleased to see us. He grabbed our hand and squeezed it, and we knew that he was doing well," said McCarthy's father, as his mother, Chi McCarthy, wiped tears from underneath her glasses.

McCarthy's improved condition came as a great relief to his girlfriend, Ganda Krisananuwatara, an accounting major at the University of Texas at Dallas, who witnessed the 3:20 p.m. attack on the downtown C train at the 110th St. station.

"I only need his support. He's like everything to me," the 20-year-old woman said. "No one will make me feel better other than him."

The day of the random attack, the couple was enjoying the second day of a two-week vacation in New York. They had plans to eat hot dogs at Gray's Papaya and take a tourist helicopter around the city.

They had strolled through the Guggenheim Museum and wanted to take a spin through Central Park when they accidentally got on an uptown D train that ran express to 125th St.

After realizing their mistake, they boarded a downtown C train, where they first saw the accused attacker, 20-year-old Kenny Alexis - who unnerved Krisananuwatara from the start.

Without provocation, the assailant lunged at McCarthy, stabbed him once in the chest and slipped out of the car without uttering a word, cops said.

"Christopher said he doesn't understand" why he was attacked, his dad said. "He didn't try to rob him."

McCarthy told his dad that "he'd been willing to give \[the stabber\] whatever he needed, a camera if he wanted it, his wallet, whatever," his father said.

"What the heck provoked him to do this?" his dad asked. "It's such a random attack." McCarthy was under light sedation in the St. Luke's intensive care unit last night. He will likely stay at the hospital for four more days, doctors said.

Despite the attack, McCarthy's family praised the city for its response - and wouldn't rule out another visit.

"I don't see any reason why I wouldn't come back," his dad said before joking, "My wife said Chris won't come without us again."
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Post by Corlyss_D » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:04 pm

Ralph wrote:When an attack is random, motiveless and has no indicia of robbery or personal relationships it doesn't take a lawyer to see that there's something wrong mentally with the attacker. Whether he/she meets the standard of mental incompetence to stand trial is another matter.
At least if the victims had been armed, they might have been able to defend themselves.
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Post by Ralph » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:40 pm

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Ralph wrote:When an attack is random, motiveless and has no indicia of robbery or personal relationships it doesn't take a lawyer to see that there's something wrong mentally with the attacker. Whether he/she meets the standard of mental incompetence to stand trial is another matter.
At least if the victims had been armed, they might have been able to defend themselves.
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Ridiculous. Tourists or anyone else riding the subways aren't mentally preparted to use deadly force even when clearly justified. It's one thing to advocate gun ownership and another to project fantasy scenarios.

Most cops never use their weapons throughout their entire careers. The ability to employ deadly force, especially without advance knowledge or information, is not common.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:22 pm

Ralph wrote:Ridiculous. Tourists or anyone else riding the subways aren't mentally preparted to use deadly force even when clearly justified. It's one thing to advocate gun ownership and another to project fantasy scenarios.
First of all, I know of no CCW program that doesn't require proof of training in the use of a gun as a condition for granting a CCW. So training is not an issue.

Secondly, it's not ridiculous. It happens quite a bit, but you would never hear of it because the NYT has a ban on such stories because they run counter to their editorial policy against printing anything that would encourage gun ownership. You don't have to believe me. You can just try to recall the last time you saw such a story.
Most cops never use their weapons throughout their entire careers. The ability to employ deadly force, especially without advance knowledge or information, is not common.
Most people who own a gun have never had to use it for self defense. That's the beauty of uncertainty. Thousands have, if not millions, but not all. So what does that prove? If citizens could wear cop uniforms, maybe they wouldn't be attacked, either.
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Post by jbuck919 » Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:04 pm

Corlyss_D wrote: Most people who own a gun have never had to use it for self defense. That's the beauty of uncertainty. Thousands have, if not millions, but not all. So what does that prove? If citizens could wear cop uniforms, maybe they wouldn't be attacked, either.
You are so charming when you are being witty. You are not so charming when you basically admit that you carry a gun with you because you are afraid, and think that the world would be better off if everyone else did the same.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:23 pm

jbuck919 wrote:
Corlyss_D wrote: Most people who own a gun have never had to use it for self defense. That's the beauty of uncertainty. Thousands have, if not millions, but not all. So what does that prove? If citizens could wear cop uniforms, maybe they wouldn't be attacked, either.
You are so charming when you are being witty.


:lol: You should have quit while you were ahead . . . . :lol: :lol:

You are not so charming when you basically admit that you carry a gun with you because you are afraid, and think that the world would be better off if everyone else did the same.


If we had the kind of world you wish we did, we wouldn't need guns. But we won't get the kind of world you wish we did by ignoring that it isn't like that now and by ignoring the fact that the bad guys don't have nearly as much trouble getting guns as the law-abiding victims do. You're thinking is pretty much in line with the concept of unilateral disamament compelling the other guy to disarm. It would be funny if it weren't one major party's idea of domestic social policy and often defense/foreign policy, too.
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Post by Ralph » Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:42 pm

Most people, including urbanites, do not want to carry weapons. New York's gun control laws have never been attacked by other than niche agenda people.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:44 pm

Ralph wrote:New York's gun control laws have never been attacked by other than niche agenda people.
Certainly not by the crooks. Why bother? They get all the guns they want and the knowledge that, except for their profressional competitors, no one else has any.
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