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We Caught a Real Curveball

Post by Ralph » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:09 pm

Post: Ex-CIA agent's warnings on WMD validity ignored

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- A former CIA officer says he made repeated efforts to alert top agency officials to problems with an Iraqi defector's claims about the country's mobile biological weapons labs but he was ignored, the Washington Post reported Sunday.

CIA officer Tyler Drumheller said he personally crossed out a reference to the labs from a classified draft of a U.N. speech by Secretary of State Colin Powell because he recognized the source as a defector, code-named Curveball, who was suspected to be mentally unstable and a liar.

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Drumheller told the Post he was surprised when a few days later, on February 5, 2003, Powell told the U.N. Security Council that "we have first-hand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and rails."

"We thought we had taken care of the problem, but I turn on the television and there it was again," said Drumheller, the CIA's European operations chief before retiring last year.

He described repeated attempts to alert top CIA officials to concerns about the defector before Powell's speech.

He said he also issued warnings before President Bush's January 28, 2003, State of the Union speech that included Bush statements about Iraq's mobile labs "designed to produce germ warfare agents."

The warnings had no visible impact on then-CIA Director George Tenet, the paper said, who vouched for the accuracy of the mobile lab claim in briefing Powell before his speech. Tenet now says he learned of the problems with Curveball much later and received no warnings from Drumheller or anyone else.

The influence of Curveball in U.S. claims about Iraqi bioweapons programs has been described in reports by the Los Angeles Times and a commission on U.S. intelligence failures, the Post said, but Drumheller's first-hand account added new details of the CIA's embrace of a source whose credibility was unraveling.

The paper said the source was living in Germany, where the country's foreign intelligence service had granted him asylum and immigration permits for his family in return for details on one of President Saddam Hussein's long-rumored weapons of mass destruction programs.

The German intelligence agency BND passed the defector's stories to the Americans, but when pressed by the CIA it said nothing had been verified. Drumheller said a German official told him at one point, "I think the guy is a fabricator."

"He said, 'We also think he has psychological problems. We could never validate his reports,"' Drumheller told the Post.

When Drumheller relayed the warnings, it sparked a series of contentious meetings with other CIA analysts who believed reports from the source, whose name has never been revealed.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:21 pm

Ralph wrote:Post: Ex-CIA agent's warnings on WMD validity ignored

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- A former CIA officer says he made repeated efforts to alert top agency officials to problems with an Iraqi defector's claims about the country's mobile biological weapons labs but he was ignored, the Washington Post reported Sunday.

CIA officer Tyler Drumheller said he personally crossed out a reference to the labs from a classified draft of a U.N. speech by Secretary of State Colin Powell because he recognized the source as a defector, code-named Curveball, who was suspected to be mentally unstable and a liar.
Gee, I can't think how glad I am to have all these worthless whistleblowers rackin' up the prepublication mileage for their upcoming "tell-all" biographies. These people are no friends of the US. They would rather be right than consider the damage their efforts are doing. It's way past time for the Administration to go after their fellow travelers in the State Department and the CIA and the FBI.
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Re: We Caught a Real Curveball

Post by Ralph » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:23 pm

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Ralph wrote:Post: Ex-CIA agent's warnings on WMD validity ignored

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- A former CIA officer says he made repeated efforts to alert top agency officials to problems with an Iraqi defector's claims about the country's mobile biological weapons labs but he was ignored, the Washington Post reported Sunday.

CIA officer Tyler Drumheller said he personally crossed out a reference to the labs from a classified draft of a U.N. speech by Secretary of State Colin Powell because he recognized the source as a defector, code-named Curveball, who was suspected to be mentally unstable and a liar.
Gee, I can't think how glad I am to have all these worthless whistleblowers rackin' up the prepublication mileage for their upcoming "tell-all" biographies. These people are no friends of the US. They would rather be right than consider the damage their efforts are doing. It's way past time for the Administration to go after their fellow travelers in the State Department and the CIA and the FBI.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:46 pm

Ralph wrote:Truth is embarrassing you, Corlyss?
No, of course not. This stuff belongs in "how I won the war" biographies after the war is over. These morons would be telling the time of troop ship departures in WW2.

By the by, I don't recall the NYT or WaPo calling the financial tracking that outraged them so last week an invasion of privacy when it was created years ago to track off-shore transfers of money laundering mobs. So now that it is used to track terrorists, it's suddenly a crime against nature.
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Post by RebLem » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:21 pm

Hey, Corlyss, why don't you just drop the other shoe and have Ralph and Werner and me and a few others rounded up and sent to Gitmo so you can create your own little GOP patriotic one party state?

That's where all this poisonous rhetoric of yours will lead. You sound like Goebbels circa 1928. All dissenters are traitors. We must all support our moron president without question, even when it is obvious he is wrong. That is your idea of America?

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Post by Ralph » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:24 pm

RebLem wrote:Hey, Corlyss, why don't you just drop the other shoe and have Ralph and Werner and me and a few others rounded up and sent to Gitmo so you can create your own little GOP patriotic one party state?

That's where all this poisonous rhetoric of yours will lead. You sound like Goebbels circa 1928. All dissenters are traitors. We must all support our moron president without question, even when it is obvious he is wrong. That is your idea of America?

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:47 pm

RebLem wrote:Hey, Corlyss, why don't you just drop the other shoe and have Ralph and Werner and me and a few others rounded up and sent to Gitmo so you can create your own little GOP patriotic one party state?
Your fondness for strawmen reminds me of Dennis Spath. Are you related?

So all those guys like Edward Murrow and Eric Severeid and Ernie Pyle were really dupes because they didn't realize that the US Government and FDR were the real enemy?
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Post by Werner » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:43 pm

I don't remember Edward R. Murrow, Ernie Pyle, or Eric Sevareid cosidering FDR or the US Government the real enemy. Nor did the majority of the public (on our side of the war.)

If you really feel that that was the case, perhaps you should revise your reading list.
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Post by Ralph » Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:01 pm

Werner wrote:I don't remember Edward R. Murrow, Ernie Pyle, or Eric Sevareid cosidering FDR or the US Government the real enemy. Nor did the majority of the public (on our side of the war.)

If you really feel that that was the case, perhaps you should revise your reading list.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:03 am

Werner wrote:I don't remember Edward R. Murrow, Ernie Pyle, or Eric Sevareid cosidering FDR or the US Government the real enemy. Nor did the majority of the public (on our side of the war.)
My point exactly. These midgets reporting today, with their obsessive administration-hatred, would never have been tolerated in WW2. Do you think Edward R. Murrow would have published the Enigma breakthru if some misguided soul in the War Department had leaked it to him? Hell no, he wouldn't. The delusional pathology of the current media encourages people in the CIA and State who have policy differences with this administration, but who lack the guts and honor to quit their jobs and work from the outside, to leak classified or sensitive material to a press they know will irresponsibly publish it, regardless of the damage such publication does. How about John Scali, the ABC newsman that acted as go between for Kennedy to Khrushev in the Cuban Missile Crisis? Do you think he would have considered the public's right to know what the Kennedy government was doing superior to the public's right to have a peaceful solution to the crisis? Hell no, he wouldn't.

I'll quote you two quotes:

"Now you know and I know we can't tell you what to print or what not to. We hope you people in the press will act responsibly, but when you don't, there ain't a hell of a lot anybody can do about it. But we can't have people going around leaking stuff for their own reasons. It ain't legal, and worse than that, by God, it ain't right. I can't stop you, but I can damn well stop [the leakers]. - James Wells, Assistant Attorney General, Absence of Malice.

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Hey, Werner. You back from Calif'onia?
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Post by Ralph » Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:07 am

WWII was a very different conflict at a different time with a public that was very different from today's.
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