Yet Another Gender Biased Decision

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Yet Another Gender Biased Decision

Post by Lilith » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:32 pm

Mary Winkler, preacher's wife in Tennessee, released from prison on bail tonight after confessing to blowing her husband's brains out while he slept, then fleeing with her children and hiding from the law .
Do you think Michael Winkler would have similarly been released on bail after confessing to blowing his preacher wife's brains out while she slept, then fleeing with his children and hiding from the law?

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Re: Yet Another Gender Biased Decision

Post by Ralph » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:18 pm

Lilith wrote:Mary Winkler, preacher's wife in Tennessee, released from prison on bail tonight after confessing to blowing her husband's brains out while he slept, then fleeing with her children and hiding from the law .
Do you think Michael Winkler would have similarly been released on bail after confessing to blowing his preacher wife's brains out while she slept, then fleeing with his children and hiding from the law?
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It's an unanswerable question. Bail for murder charges is relatively rare, in some states almost unheard of. Men have been released on bail for allegedly killing their spouses/lovers and vice versa.

You really have no point here.
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Post by Lilith » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:36 pm

"You really have no point here" - Ralph

The title of my thread reveals my point quite directly. Maybe you missed that.

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Re: Yet Another Gender Biased Decision

Post by Madame » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:50 am

Lilith wrote:Mary Winkler, preacher's wife in Tennessee, released from prison on bail tonight after confessing to blowing her husband's brains out while he slept, then fleeing with her children and hiding from the law .
Do you think Michael Winkler would have similarly been released on bail after confessing to blowing his preacher wife's brains out while she slept, then fleeing with his children and hiding from the law?
I ain't touchin' this with a 9-foot Hungarian :)

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Re: Yet Another Gender Biased Decision

Post by living_stradivarius » Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:15 am

Lilith wrote:Mary Winkler, preacher's wife in Tennessee, released from prison on bail tonight after confessing to blowing her husband's brains out while he slept, then fleeing with her children and hiding from the law .
Do you think Michael Winkler would have similarly been released on bail after confessing to blowing his preacher wife's brains out while she slept, then fleeing with his children and hiding from the law?
Do you have an actual case of the latter hypothetical incident to compare this incident to?
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Post by Lilith » Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:46 pm

No I don't. I am asking your opinion if the sexes of the two parties were reversed.

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Post by mourningstar » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:47 am

at this point, I don't think something can be said. you need a similar case, and perhaps one which include the other sexe(male) ...
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Post by pizza » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:05 am

A 19 year old male alleged gang member was held in custody in lieu of bail granted him after he was charged with the murder of a detective.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti ... id=4445410

A retired male FBI agent was released on bail after being charged with 4 murders.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... rder_case/

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Post by Ralph » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:08 am

pizza wrote:A 19 year old male alleged gang member was held in custody in lieu of bail granted him after he was charged with the murder of a detective.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti ... id=4445410

A retired male FBI agent was released on bail after being charged with 4 murders.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... rder_case/
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I've never heard of bail being granted to an alleged cop killer. Has anyone?
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Post by pizza » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:16 am

Ralph wrote:
pizza wrote:A 19 year old male alleged gang member was held in custody in lieu of bail granted him after he was charged with the murder of a detective.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti ... id=4445410

A retired male FBI agent was released on bail after being charged with 4 murders.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... rder_case/
*****

I've never heard of bail being granted to an alleged cop killer. Has anyone?
Anyone who read the above articles has.

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Post by Ralph » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:23 am

pizza wrote:
Ralph wrote:
pizza wrote:A 19 year old male alleged gang member was held in custody in lieu of bail granted him after he was charged with the murder of a detective.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti ... id=4445410

A retired male FBI agent was released on bail after being charged with 4 murders.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... rder_case/
*****

I've never heard of bail being granted to an alleged cop killer. Has anyone?
Anyone who read the above articles has.
*****Pizza,

I'm surprised that an experienced lawyer like you doesn't know what's obvious to first year law students. The bail set is for THREE MILLION DOLLARS. Think there's a chance he can make it? That any bailbondsman would advance that? It's called imposing PREVENTIVE DETENTION while hypocritically sticking to narrow legal rules.
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Post by pizza » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:53 am

Ralph wrote:
pizza wrote:
Ralph wrote:
pizza wrote:A 19 year old male alleged gang member was held in custody in lieu of bail granted him after he was charged with the murder of a detective.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti ... id=4445410

A retired male FBI agent was released on bail after being charged with 4 murders.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... rder_case/
*****

I've never heard of bail being granted to an alleged cop killer. Has anyone?
Anyone who read the above articles has.
*****Pizza,

I'm surprised that an experienced lawyer like you doesn't know what's obvious to first year law students. The bail set is for THREE MILLION DOLLARS. Think there's a chance he can make it? That any bailbondsman would advance that? It's called imposing PREVENTIVE DETENTION while hypocritically sticking to narrow legal rules.
Nonsense. The court could just as easily have denied bail.

And did the retired FBI agent who made his ONE MILLION DOLLAR bail circumvent the narrow legal rules?

The only issue raised was whether bail had ever been granted -- not whether the defendant could make it. Probably difficult for a law prof but I'll bet any first year law student could see it. :shock:

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Post by Ralph » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:37 am

pizza wrote:
Ralph wrote:
pizza wrote:
Ralph wrote:
pizza wrote:A 19 year old male alleged gang member was held in custody in lieu of bail granted him after he was charged with the murder of a detective.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti ... id=4445410

A retired male FBI agent was released on bail after being charged with 4 murders.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... rder_case/
*****

I've never heard of bail being granted to an alleged cop killer. Has anyone?
Anyone who read the above articles has.
*****Pizza,

I'm surprised that an experienced lawyer like you doesn't know what's obvious to first year law students. The bail set is for THREE MILLION DOLLARS. Think there's a chance he can make it? That any bailbondsman would advance that? It's called imposing PREVENTIVE DETENTION while hypocritically sticking to narrow legal rules.
Nonsense. The court could just as easily have denied bail.

And did the retired FBI agent who made his ONE MILLION DOLLAR bail circumvent the narrow legal rules?

The only issue raised was whether bail had ever been granted -- not whether the defendant could make it. Probably difficult for a law prof but I'll bet any first year law student could see it. :shock:
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Tell you what. My first orientation class is this Sunday. I'll pose the bail question as an introductory hypo. Let's see what the new 1-Ls say. :)
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