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Post by Agnes Selby » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:14 pm

"Appeasement takes hold again".

www.smh.com.au

If this article should disappear, you can find it by typing
the title as above into the search engine of the newspaper.
It is on the right hand side under search.

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Post by jbuck919 » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:22 pm

I'm sorry Agnes, I did try. I got something about Idi Amin being the last king of Scotland. I'm not trying to be funny. :(

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Post by Agnes Selby » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:30 pm

jbuck919 wrote:I'm sorry Agnes, I did try. I got something about Idi Amin being the last king of Scotland. I'm not trying to be funny. :(
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John, If you scroll down to OPINION you will find the article
"Appeasement takes hold again" by Paul Sheehan.

Sorry for the inconvenience. Corlyss has already told me how to do
it properly but I do not seem to be able to do it.
I am waiting for my 10-year old granddaughter to visit and
explain to me the secrets of the internet. :lol:

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Post by RebLem » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:14 pm

I found it. A more direct link is

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/appe ... 57031.html

How did France get that way?

It used to be France stood for Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity. The order of those three ideals is very important. Liberty is most important, because freedom of thought and expression is the basis on which all else rests. Equality is next. Of course, this means equality before the law; everyone has the same rights, not necessarily the same amount of money or the same station in life or the same position in the hearts of others. And fraternity. that sense of community, of a commonality of interest that people in a just society ought to feel, helps provide a sense of security, a common vested interest in preserving liberty and equality is important, too.

Under Communist influence, what they have done is reverse the order.
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Post by jack stowaway » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:18 pm

I agree, Agnes, its depressing evidence of how the Left, in particular, has abandoned its committment to principle in the face of Islamist intimidation.

Commentary magazine carries a full account of the affair -- from the point of view of a French intellectual. I posted it here under the heading 'Capitulation of the West'. If you are interested, you can find it in the Archives (page 4)

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Post by Agnes Selby » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:17 pm

RebLem wrote:I found it. A more direct link is

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/appe ... 57031.html

How did France get that way?

It used to be France stood for Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity. The order of those three ideals is very important. Liberty is most important, because freedom of thought and expression is the basis on which all else rests. Equality is next. Of course, this means equality before the law; everyone has the same rights, not necessarily the same amount of money or the same station in life or the same position in the hearts of others. And fraternity. that sense of community, of a commonality of interest that people in a just society ought to feel, helps provide a sense of security, a common vested interest in preserving liberty and equality is important, too.

Under Communist influence, what they have done is reverse the order.
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Thank you once again.

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Post by Agnes Selby » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:24 pm

jack stowaway wrote:I agree, Agnes, its depressing evidence of how the Left, in particular, has abandoned its committment to principle in the face of Islamist intimidation.

Commentary magazine carries a full account of the affair -- from the point of view of a French intellectual. I posted it here under the heading 'Capitulation of the West'. If you are interested, you can find it in the Archives (page 4)
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Thank you, Jack. I read the article and clearly Paul Sheehan has based his own article on the one you posted.

You might be interested to read "While Europe Slept" by Bruce Bawer.
I have mentioned this book before. It encapsulates Europe's dilemma
with increasing pressures from Islam. A very kind friend has sent it to me but I have since found out that it is available in Australia.

Regards,
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Post by RebLem » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:48 pm

Meanwhile, up in Minnesota--

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol, and Dogs

Minnesota Officials Ponder Suspensions, cab Drivers say it Goes Against Their Belliefs

By BARBARA PINTO

Jan. 26, 2007— - Commissioners at one of the country's biggest airports are considering punishing Muslim cab drivers who refuse service to passengers possessing alcohol or guide dogs.

The cabbies claim transporting those items violates Islamic law.

"It is against our faith and the airport is discriminating against Muslim drivers," says a cab driver who would only give his first name, Hashim.

Three-quarters of the 900 cabbies licensed to operate at the airport are Muslim, most from Somalia. It is unclear how many are adhering to this letter of Islamic law which considers the purchase, drinking and transport of alcoholic beverages a sin.

Islam also regards the saliva from dogs to be unclean.

Nearly 40 million people travel through Minneapolis-St Paul airport annually.

Over the past 5 years, airport officials say 5,400 passengers have been turned away.

Some had guide dogs or pets, others were carrying cases of wine from California, or liquor from duty-free shops.

"There are times where cab after cab will refuse service, and passengers can be waiting for 20 minutes," says Patrick Hogan, spokesman for the Metropolitan Airports Commission. "We've had complaints of people being asked if they had any alcoholic beverages in their luggage."

Hogan admits the instances have declined in recent months with the Department of Homeland Security's restrictions on transporting liquids.

"We were seeing an average of 77 refusals a month," he says, "Now we're seeing between 8 and 20."

The state agency that licenses cab drivers prohibits discrimination against passengers unless the driver feels his life is in danger.

"This is a public access issue," says Chuck Samuelson, of the American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota, "Bottom line is we are a secular society, and that's the way it is."

Minnesota's Muslim American Society had offered a compromise measure last year to color code cabs that would not transport alcohol, but the airport commission turned the proposal down.

Currently, cabs that refuse a fare must simply go to the back of the line.

But, under the new proposal, drivers who decline to provide service would face a 30-day suspension of their license. Second offenders would have their licenses revoked.

"This type of job helps immigrants move to the next level," says Hassan Mouhamud, Imam of the AlTaqwa Mosque in St. Paul, and a scholar of Islamic Law.

"Blocking that," he says, "can cost jobs, it can also cost immigrants and their families the American dream."

Mouhamud says there are schools of Islamic thought that allow for compromise.

He says under the Hanafi School of Islamic law, if Muslims live in a country that does not enforce their religious law, they can defer to the written laws of that country.

"American society has a rule of respecting religions," says Mouhamed. " We hope there is room to accommodate all faiths."

"It's not a case of good guys versus bad guys," says airport commission spokesman Patrick Hogan," It's simply individuals who want to do right by their religion, and an airport that wants to do right by its customers."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/sto ... 800&page=1

My initial reaction was a "go back where you came from" one. But then it occured to me that when you allow pharmacists who object to contraception to refuse to dispense birth control even on a doctor's prescription, and even, in some cases, to confiscate and destroy the prescription slip itself, what can you expect? RebLem
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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:34 am

Rob wrote:How did France get that way?

It used to be France stood for Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity. The order of those three ideals is very important.
It's been going that way for at least 37 years. At the root is the deals the oil-rich Arabs force on the Europeans in return for oil, combined with France's delusion that, because of its ties to Algeria, Lebanon, and Egypt, it is the Arabs' agent in Europe. If nothing changes, it will be the first majority Muslim state in less than 30 years. That does not bode well for Europe because France, regretably, is so influential in Europe. They have never demanded that Muslims conform to French laws. Instead, they have allowed enclaves of virtual lawlessness to grow and spread.
RebLem wrote:My initial reaction was a "go back where you came from" one. But then it occured to me that when you allow pharmacists who object to contraception to refuse to dispense birth control even on a doctor's prescription, and even, in some cases, to confiscate and destroy the prescription slip itself, what can you expect? RebLem
So now it's the fault of pro-lifers that Muslim cabbies refuse to serve members of the general public? Somehow I sincerely doubt that. If you can provide a study that shows that is where cabbies got the idea, I might believe it. Generally there are lots of pharmacists in a given neighborhood. But when you're standing in line for a taxi at the airport, the flow of passengers to taxis is controlled by the taxi captain, or whatever he's called. If the rules say the cabbies have to take passengers, the rules should be enforced by suspending the licenses of those who refuse to take passengers. The passengers are not violent; they pose no threat to the cabbies. It would be a no-brainer if it weren't for the likes of CAIR and the imams who use intimidation to force civil authorities to make exceptions for Muslims. It's that exception crap that got us to this point in the first place.
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Post by jack stowaway » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:07 pm

Agnes Selby wrote: Thank you, Jack. I read the article and clearly Paul Sheehan has based his own article on the one you posted.

You might be interested to read "While Europe Slept" by Bruce Bawer.
I have mentioned this book before. It encapsulates Europe's dilemma
with increasing pressures from Islam. A very kind friend has sent it to me but I have since found out that it is available in Australia.

Regards,
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Agnes,

That book has been on my reading list for too long.

As for the wretched Muslim cabbies in Minnesota, they offer just one more example of how Islamic exceptionalism is hammering yet another nail into Western ideas of civility and tolerance.

Why is the West admitting people from a culture so profoundly antithetical to our deepest values?

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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:13 pm

jack stowaway wrote:That book has been on my reading list for too long.
Well, hie to it, brother Jack! It's a must-read to understand how far the sorry state of affairs has been allowed to devolve. When people are fleeing the Netherlands to live in Norway because Norway is "20 years behind" the rest of Europe in committing cultural suicide, it's bad.
As for the wretched Muslim cabbies in Minnesota, they offer just one more example of how Islamic exceptionalism is hammering yet another nail into Western ideas of civility and tolerance.

Why is the West admitting people from a culture so profoundly antithetical to our deepest values?
It's complicated, but trust me, the US has a far smaller problem than the Europeans and European-wannabes, like Canada.
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Post by jack stowaway » Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:02 pm

I really should (read it). The reason I hesitate is because the whole sorry state of affairs is so depressing -- the evidence for Western suicide is overwhelming.

Its a tragedy how the combination of white, liberal guilt, cultural and political naiviety and short-sighted policy-making has landed the West in this nightmare predicament. Our forefathers would shudder in horror at what we have allowed to happen.

The other day I turned on the television news and settled down to listen to what I thought was a report from Pakistan - judged by the background visuals of mosque and streets full of burqa-clad women. It turned out to be Birmingham, England. .

It is past time the West closed its borders or tailored its migration/refugee policy to favour cultures showing the most compatibility with our own. There's nothing wrong with discrimination. Its the lack of it which has resulted in burning streets across Europe and the increasing threat to our historic liberties.

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Post by living_stradivarius » Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:54 pm

So for Utopia to ever emerge, we're thinking Corlyss should take over an island somewhere in the Caribbean and establish a rule of law that lies somewhere between that of the US and that of Singapore on the discipline scale?
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Post by RebLem » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:15 pm

living_stradivarius wrote:So for Utopia to ever emerge, we're thinking Corlyss should take over an island somewhere in the Caribbean and establish a rule of law that lies somewhere between that of the US and that of Singapore on the discipline scale?
Strad, you are too optimistic, bless your heart.. More to the right of Singapore, with, like Singapore, a one party state of Republicans--except a purged, "purified" GOP, rid of the McCains, the Specters, the Giulianis, and the Whitmans--in other words, all the Republicans to the left of Vlad the Impaler.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:20 pm

living_stradivarius wrote:So for Utopia to ever emerge
Utopias are merely fascist tyrannies in their marketable state. They assume the perfectability of man, which is not possible. All that can reasonably be done is to manage the competing interests, as our Constitution aspired to do.
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Post by BWV 1080 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:51 pm

whatever the merits of the article, Paul Sheehan is a racist twit who has the honor of this 1995 screed of his: "The Race War of Black against White"

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/sheehan.html
posted on nearly every white supremacist website in the US. The article is worth reading as a textbook case of bad statistics

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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:57 pm

BWV 1080 wrote:whatever the merits of the article, Paul Sheehan is a racist twit who has the honor of this 1995 screed of his: "The Race War of Black against White"

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/sheehan.html
posted on nearly every white supremacist website in the US. The article is worth reading as a textbook case of bad statistics
Does that mean he's wrong? I don't think so.
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Post by piston » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:00 pm

BWV 1080 wrote:whatever the merits of the article, Paul Sheehan is a racist twit who has the honor of this 1995 screed of his: "The Race War of Black against White"

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/sheehan.html
posted on nearly every white supremacist website in the US. The article is worth reading as a textbook case of bad statistics
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Post by BWV 1080 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:21 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:
BWV 1080 wrote:whatever the merits of the article, Paul Sheehan is a racist twit who has the honor of this 1995 screed of his: "The Race War of Black against White"

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/sheehan.html
posted on nearly every white supremacist website in the US. The article is worth reading as a textbook case of bad statistics

Does that mean he's wrong? I don't think so.
it means he is not a credible journalist. Other more credible sources have however corroborated many of the points he makes about the Left and Islam

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Post by living_stradivarius » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:23 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:
living_stradivarius wrote:So for Utopia to ever emerge
Utopias are merely fascist tyrannies in their marketable state. They assume the perfectability of man, which is not possible. All that can reasonably be done is to manage the competing interests, as our Constitution aspired to do.
Must I give up my hopes for a Corlyssical Music Guideland :(?
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living_stradivarius wrote:
Corlyss_D wrote:
living_stradivarius wrote:So for Utopia to ever emerge
Utopias are merely fascist tyrannies in their marketable state. They assume the perfectability of man, which is not possible. All that can reasonably be done is to manage the competing interests, as our Constitution aspired to do.
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Post by BWV 1080 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:56 pm

Here is another piece from Paul Sheehan, the brave voice crying out to protect whites from the depredations of brown-skinned hordes, this time it is the godawful primitive aborigines that threaten upstanding white youth:

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So Sheehan is nothing more than a nasty little racemonger, sort of an Aussie David Duke. I do not know of a major paper in the US that would print a column such as his "Race war in America", anymore than they would print a screed by Tom Metzger. Unfortunately some Muslims, enabled by the PC set, are providing easy ammunition for racebaiters like Sheehan.

Here is a review of one of Sheehan's books that gives some background and critical analysis of his demagoguery:
http://www.thesydneyinstitute.com.au/ah ... ?ahfaID=33


On 25 May 1996, Paul Sheehan wrote a piece for The Sydney Morning Herald entitled "The Multicultural Myth". In the article, he claimed that SBS television was "a metaphor for the evolving fantasy that Australia should be a cultural federation of glorious diversity", opined that complaints to the Anti-Discrimination Board were so numerous they were having a "carcinogenic effect on racial cohesion in Australia", called the president of the Anti-Discrimination Board, Chris Puplick, the "unofficial Godfather of Grievance in NSW" and said one of the reasons for high unemployment in NSW was "the plethora of Thought Police employed by the State". Somehow multiculturism was threatening Australia's egalitarian culture "built through trial and error, and fought for and protected with blood and suffering of millions of Australians".

Then came this classic: "Nation building is invariably bloody. Australia was going to be colonised. And if it had been occupied by one of the imperial cultures of Asia (with their long record of fratricide, liquidation of dissent and ethnic chauvinism), there would probably be no revival of Aboriginal culture today owing to a shortage of Aborigines." No mention of the mid 1800s "dispersal" practices that culled Aboriginal numbers.

Reactions to the piece were heated. The most extreme form the introduction to Among The Barbarians. Sheehan is dismayed by the comments, even wounded, displaying all the disingenuousness of the child who writes "frig" on the dining room wall and can't understand why he's in trouble.

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What makes Among The Barbarians a disturbing book is Sheehan's defensiveness and obsessive selectivity, matched with conspiracy theories. Despite years of key conservatives as regular commentators in Australian newspapers, more than a decade of Hanson-style voices filling talkback radio on race, immigration and indigenous issues, saturation propagandising by top rating radio presenters like Alan Jones and Stan Zemanek, Sheehan earnestly believes that, under Labor, "so strong and so ruthlessly imposed were the protocols constraining discussion of racism, discrimination, affirmative action and immigration, it would be a foolish move to smash through and express, with undisguised resentment, the unpleasant fears felt in much of the electorate".
Among The Barbarians is a skewed Australian canvass, self-justified as setting the record straight. Just one side of the debate on the grounds that it's never been heard. Sheehan picks at topics rather than digests them, often relying on a handful of opinions to support his.

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Similarly with "Chinese culture", Sheehan is light on proof. He believes Australia has a naive and overly favourable view of China. He paints the Chinese character as communist, alien and threatening. No mention of the democracy movement, Hong Kong's Martin Lee or Emily Lau. One billion people all the same.

The evidence? Start with a few select quotes from Geremie R Barme and little known Australian Sang Ye. Add China scholar Jamie Mackie who wonders "whether (and how) Australian society or culture has been either enriched by the presence of [Chinese] immigrants or put under strain". Throw in a handful of comments from academics including anthropologist Richard Basham and Sheehan is convinced. Successful settlement of first generation Chinese in Australia is problematic if not impossible. Although he does add, in a somewhat patronising way, that "the beauty of immigration is that most of the children of Chinese wayfarers who stay in Australia will not share this alienation.

In Barbarians, Sheehan argues that the characteristics of the Chinese totalitarian State cannot be separated from the defining characteristics of individual Chinese. This is plainly sinophobic. Try it on NSW Liberal Helen Sham Ho.

Barbarian's portrait of Australian Vietnamese carries similar unassimilable refrains. Extended families on welfare taking money for rag trade piecework, drugs and gangs in Cabramatta - the ghetto and tax evasion. There's nothing to match Queensland author and academic Nancy Viviani's balanced and expert views. A third of Vietnamese Australians live in middle class suburbs and another third are coping quite well.

Sheehan sees only failures, "Some immigrant groups simply have a different value system to the one prevailing in Australia." One wonders how Anglo-masonics would have described Sheehan's own immigrant group, the Irish, in the early 1900s. Papists? Jailbirds? Drunks? Breeding like rabbits? Sheehan knows how to salivate the prejudices.

For over a decade Australia has heatedly debated multiculturalism, immigration, race and indigenous issues. Sheehan missed it. There's been no silence. Many voices have peddled Sheehan's line - Geoffrey Blainey, Lauchlan Chipman, Graeme Campbell and Australians Against Further Immigration, Liberal Michael Hodgman way back in 1984, Terry Lane, even World War II heroine Nancy Wake to name a few. Commercial talk back radio has probably done most to push the cause of One Nation.

Moreover, Malcolm Fraser's Liberals first allowed a generous number of Asians, namely Vietnemese refugees, to settle in Australia. With the Galbally Report of 1978, Malcolm Fraser initiated government funded multiculturalism.

Paul Sheehan ignores this. In Among The Barbarians, multiculturalism is a Labor junket designed to fill Labor electorates with families united by our immigration laws. No mention of the fact that family connections are favoured in the acceptance of immigrants to Canada, the USA and Britain.

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Catholics were once said to live in ghettos and be over represented in Australian jails. At sixteen, for a week, my six siblings (including a two year old) and I got a taste of bottom of the ladder exploitation. We helped our widowed Catholic mother earn a pittance cutting threads off underpants. We filled bag after bag, worth a few shillings. We were exploited not exploiters. Immigrant families need real jobs like any families.

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Like the plague bacillus, racial villification never really disappears, just goes underground. Australia's latest outbreak of racial intolerance has shocked a majority but vindicated that ever growing vocal minority gathering round One Nation, it's more strident chords familiar to students of Australian history.

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Post by BWV 1080 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:17 pm

piston wrote:
BWV 1080 wrote:whatever the merits of the article, Paul Sheehan is a racist twit who has the honor of this 1995 screed of his: "The Race War of Black against White"

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/sheehan.html
posted on nearly every white supremacist website in the US. The article is worth reading as a textbook case of bad statistics
Only fifteen ships?! Must have been intergalactic ones!


Looks like those were the ones they found that had owners with Jewish-sounding names. Found a complete list here BTW:

http://www.afrostyly.com/english/afro/d ... veship.htm

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Post by Brendan » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:17 pm

I am no Sheehan fan, but reviews from The Sydney Institute and the Fairfax press need to be taken with a couple pounds of salt. Try going to Cabramatta sometime, or any outback town. The reports of violence amongst native communities are too loud and too systemic to be papered over by the multiculti set any more. But its much worse when you see it yourself, or get assaulted by it.

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