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Aussie on Why They Hate Us

Post by Barry » Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:23 pm

She makes a lot of sense too:

The Australian
Protector of the free world deserves better
Anti-Americanism has a long pedigree, but that only makes it more irrational, writes Janet Albrechtsen
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February 14, 2007

BY all means unfurl the banners, dust off the placards and prop up the distorted effigies of George W. Bush. Start practising those chants of "Down with America" and "America, the Great Satan" and stop bathing and brushing your hair (a less commented on pre-requisite for some protesters) for another anti-American protest. With US Vice-President Dick Cheney in Australia next week, it's not an opportunity to be missed for those who hate the US.
But before the crowd tail-gates Cheney as he meets Australian political leaders, maybe it's time to check what it is that drives animosity towards the US. It is not anti-American to disagree about US policies in Iraq or on Kyoto or in Guantanamo Bay; reasonable people can differ over how the Bush administration handles critical issues. And if protesting in the streets is your thing, go ahead. Ain't democracy grand?
But the problem with what Martin Amis calls the rodeo of anti-Americanism drawing crowds across the globe is that the antagonism is fuelled not just by what America does but also, in no small part, by what America is. It's here that rationality vanishes among even the most intelligent Westerners. British author Margaret Drabble summed it up thus: "My anti-Americanism has become almost uncontrollable. It has possessed me like a disease. It rises in my throat like acid reflux."

Actually, it's more akin to reflex than reflux. And a new book on anti-Americanism in Europe offers an insight into the reflexive hatred of the US: a hatred that has travelled beyond its traditional home of European elites.

Andrei S. Markovits, author of Uncouth Nation: Why Europe Dislikes America, is no neo-con Bush cheerleader. Markovits told The Australian he is a card-carrying progressive signing up to every seminal Left issue. But he cannot stomach the toxic anti-Americanism, a staple of his side of politics. A bunch of people opposing US policies is not anti-Americanism. Instead, something new has emerged, he says. "European anti-Americanism is becoming an unprecedented Europe-wide lingua franca" - a "key mobilising agent" for a common European identity. It has, quite literally, become the last acceptable prejudice, sanctioned by the highest levels of government. Europeans may bicker over an EU constitution, but they can agree on who they hate. They hate America.

Where once it was relegated to the far Right and the far Left to despise American culture and capitalism in equal doses, now it's become part of the respectable mainstream. Markovits augments countless surveys and opinion polls with myriad examples of quotidian life in Europe where anything nasty is blamed on the US, from the Americanisation of European accounting practices, electoral campaigns, urban planning and credit card use to the US infecting sport, film, music, language, habits. If it's nasty, it's America's fault. Even reality television is bagged as an American blight. (For the record, Europeans invented that gem of a genre.)

Anti-Americanism has less to do with US politics and policies and more to do with what Markovits calls the "perfectly respectable human need to hate the big guy". Half a century ago, Hannah Arendt commented on the same psychology of mistrust aimed at the US. It was, she said, the inevitable plight of the big, rich guy to be alternately flattered and abused, remaining unpopular no matter how generous they were.

And so Norwegian Nobel laureate Knut Hamsun hated the US for being too big and too fast. Anti-Americanism has morphed into a desire to bring America to heel, something that coincides with the goal of Islamists. But if the big, fast rich guy retreats, it's worth asking who will step up to the plate when the West needs things fixed. The dawdling burghers of Europe may recall that small and slow did not help the Kuwaitis, Bosnian Muslims, Kosovars, Afghanis or the tsunami victims.

It would be churlish not to recognise that Bush Derangement Syndrome, a term coined by Charles Krauthammer, has a role to play here. Originally levelled at Democrats in Florida who raced off to their shrink, complaining of staring listlessly into space when Bush beat John Kerry in 2004, hating George W. is also a common affliction abroad. A few years ago our own John Pilger described the Bush administration as "the Third Reich of our times".

But anti-Americanism runs deeper than Bush. "Anti-Bushism," says Markovits, is simply the "glaring tip of a massive anti-American iceberg." One immune to reason or climate change for that matter. As he explores, anti-Americanism dates back to 1492 and the discovery of the New World. Long before America became Mr Big, European cultural superiority meant that the US was regarded as venal, vulgar and mediocre - a lack of authenticity pervaded every part of American life. Australian playwright Stephen Sewell succumbed to the same lazy stereotyping in his play, The United States of Nothing.

Anti-Americanism cannot be explained simply by US policy stances or as anti-imperialism either. The US was hated during its isolationist periods and under its pacifist presidents. Under Bill Clinton, the US was a hyperpower according to French foreign minister Hubert Vedrine. (Clinton is now lionised by European elites as a effete kind of non-American). The hapless Jimmy Carter, so cautious of bloodshed that 52 hostages were held captive in the US embassy in Tehran for 444 days, was equally despised. Should he become president, even Barack Obama will also incur the anti-American wrath.

And, of course, US policy is not always right. Indeed, big countries make big mistakes. Pick a decade and you'll find a major stuff-up by American political leaders, from the passing of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act by US Congress in 1930 that led to worldwide protectionism, to the CIA overthrowing the government of Iran in 1953 which unleashed anti-American sentiment across the Middle East.

But the distinguishing features of anti-Americanism are its intellectual dishonesty and irrationality. US malevolence is assumed, not proven.

So the Islamic world will complain the US is anti-Muslim while overlooking Bosnia. Europeans regularly overlook the fact that American power, resolve and, yes, idealism, delivered them from both Nazism and communism. Nor, when they nip down to the corner store for some foie gras in their BMWs or Citroens, do they remember the contribution the Marshall Plan made to their postwar prosperity.

While Russian President Vladimir Putin was railing against US power at an international security conference in Munich on Saturday, a respectable case can be made that, as hegemonies go, the US is the most benevolent history has ever seen. Not perfect by any means, but certainly deserving of better treatment than the acid reflux and bile of Western elites. America is big, rich and makes mistakes. But for the past 50 years at least, it has been the ultimate guarantor of the Western way of life. Surely it deserves a more balanced press from its critics.
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Post by Ted » Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:03 pm

The US is hated for the same reason the NY Yankees Are…Yes we are idiotic bullies at times but for the most part we are the “Champions of the World”

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Post by Werner » Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:17 pm

Anti-Americanism and criticism of the Bush Administration are two entirely different things.

As Albrechtson says, great powers make mistakes. The Bush regime has made its record of mistakes. That does not negate the things she has cited in the record of American influence since World WarII, and its potential for good, which is unmatched among hegemonic powers - I believe, and I certainly do agree that this should be remembered. But the pendulum swings, and at the moment the political primitives native to these shores are in charge and have done their damage - quite unknowingly, it seems, but not incorrctibly, (If I may coin a term) as long as we have elections.

As Walter Cronkite concluded his news broadcasts, I seem to remember: Courage!
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Post by Ralph » Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:33 pm

But how many from other nations want to live here or come for a vacation? Quite a few.
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Post by Agnes Selby » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:05 pm

What must be understood here is that Australia is heading
toward Federal elections. The Labor Party has been out of office
for a long time. It is not only America and George Bush the
Laborites here hate, it is mostly our Prime Minister, Mr. Howard.
And let us not forget, to the Australian INTELLIGENCIA
(Academics, journalists and the like) left wing politics are manna from heaven. Being a Labor voter in Australia shows that you are a "true blue thinker" and the grey matter in your head is working. Being a Liberal
voter simple means that you have stopped functioning. So this epistle is written by a dead woman.

It is usual to hate the hand that feeds you. When Howard became
Prime Minister, we had a spiraling inflation, our mortgage rates were
somewhere near 22% and all Mr. Keating (then Labor Prime Minister) could do is to remind us that we are "enjoying" the inflation "we had to have".

Now, according to yesterday's figures, Australian economy is flourishing,
never have there been so many affluent people who spend zillions in the department stores.

So, when our Laborites attack George Bush they are really attacking his "best mate" Mr. Howard. They are fighting for survival and want to rule the country again. It is quite possible that Labor will win and then... better watch out Australia!
The entire circus will begin again. Unemployment, inflation, high interest rates, junkets for the boys, you name it.

I would also like to add that the hatred of America overseas is
to me the most disgusting thing. If it were not for America, they, the
Europeans and perhaps the whole world would today be in Nazi hands.
Or perhaps, by now the Nazis and the Commis would have had it out and the world would be in PUTIN'S hands.

Regards,
Agnes.

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Post by Holden Fourth » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:33 pm

Agnes Selby wrote:What must be understood here is that Australia is heading
toward Federal elections. The Labor Party has been out of office
for a long time. It is not only America and George Bush the
Laborites here hate, it is mostly our Prime Minister, Mr. Howard.
And let us not forget, to the Australian INTELLIGENCIA
(Academics, journalists and the like) left wing politics are manna from heaven. Being a Labor voter in Australia shows that you are a "true blue thinker" and the grey matter in your head is working. Being a Liberal
voter simple means that you have stopped functioning. So this epistle is written by a dead woman.

It is usual to hate the hand that feeds you. When Howard became
Prime Minister, we had a spiraling inflation, our mortgage rates were
somewhere near 22% and all Mr. Keating (then Labor Prime Minister) could do is to remind us that we are "enjoying" the inflation "we had to have".

Now, according to yesterday's figures, Australian economy is flourishing,
never have there been so many affluent people who spend zillions in the department stores.

So, when our Laborites attack George Bush they are really attacking his "best mate" Mr. Howard. They are fighting for survival and want to rule the country again. It is quite possible that Labor will win and then... better watch out Australia!
The entire circus will begin again. Unemployment, inflation, high interest rates, junkets for the boys, you name it.

I would also like to add that the hatred of America overseas is
to me the most disgusting thing. If it were not for America, they, the
Europeans and perhaps the whole world would today be in Nazi hands.
Or perhaps, by now the Nazis and the Commis would have had it out and the world would be in PUTIN'S hands.

Regards,
Agnes.
Agnes - get your facts right! Mortgage rates were already in SINGLE FIGURES when Keating lost to John Howard. And surely you're not naive enough to believe that a group of politicians is totally responsible for Australian's current prosperity? The mineral boom that has made OZ the wealthy nation it now is started back in the early 90s (Labor was in power then incidentally) and has spiralled ever more rapidly upward. With the exception of the 'Greens' (who would stop any form of mining I suspect) you could run the country with any group and still be sitting on top of the heap. As I see it, Johnny Howard got lucky coming in when he did. His legacy is actually a hidden one managing to skilfully keep together a rather motley collection of ideologies that go to make up his coalition. When he goes I suspect that the coalition will go too.

The only thing I don't like about Howard (broken promises aside) is his veneration of GWB especially and America in general. Doesn't he realise that we are now big enough not to have to toady to a super power like the US. However, this is his achilles heel and has never been more obvious than the way he has let an Australian citizen like David Hicks rot away in an American concentration camp deprived of nearly all the rights accorded to him either by the US legal system as an Australian citizen or alternatively according to the Geneva convention as a supposed combatant. The back bencers are already baying for blood and with an election imminent he will need to take heed.

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Post by Agnes Selby » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:34 pm

Just to clarify matters: A Liberal vote in Australia has nothing to
do with a Liberal voter's political philosophy in America.
Our political systems differ in many aspects but the sentiments
of the two party system are probably very similar.

Regards,
Agnes.
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Post by Brendan » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:14 pm

It often messes with people's heads that Down Under the Liberal Party is the right-wing/conservative party. But as long as Labour only puts forward candidates from the Teacher's Union and the ACTU their front-bench is going to look very suspect and unrealistic as election time draws near, IMHO. Of course, the media loves Rudd as they never could Latham, so I expect saturation balderdash for many months to come.

Outside the circles of those ever-frustrated that they weren't born French, most Aussies like friendly Americans but are glad they can't easily get automatic weapons to have fun with whilst in Oz. :wink:

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Post by Agnes Selby » Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:14 pm

As a chocolate lover, I am most gratified to learn today that
our Mr. Rudd the future (?) Labor Prime Minister submitted
his winning chocolate cake recipe to the Women's Weekly.


At the same time it is reported that his wife owns $1 million in shares (as of today). Very commendable for the wife of a Socialist Prime Minister.
She may just teach us a trick or two. Oh, why oh why does Mr. Howard own just one little suburban house? Mr. Keating (Labor), has done better in real estate ownership. He owns at least a dozen apartments in the city.
There is a definite financial "something" in being the leader of the
Labor Party.

And by the way, Holden Fourth. The Holden is my son's favourite
car.

Regards,
Agnes.

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Post by Agnes Selby » Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:28 pm

Dear Holden Fourth,

David Hicks is a terrorist. He was found in a dug-out with the
Taliban with a gun in his hand shooting at the Americans.
He is no different from any other terrorist but the Media have
made him into an angel even publishing his baby photographs.

Well, Hicks is no longer a baby. He converted to Islam, went
to Afghanistan with a single minded purpose and he will just
have to await American justice.

Australia cannot interfere in America's legal procedures no more
than America can interfere in ours.

Do you want Hicks to come home, to blow up the opera house or the harbour bridge or perhaps run for parliament as Habib the other Quantamo bay prisoner is doing now?
He is very keen to introduce Sharia Law to Australia. It is not what I would like Australia to become, an Islamic state.

Agnes.

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Post by piston » Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:29 pm

Brendan wrote:It often messes with people's heads that Down Under the Liberal Party is the right-wing/conservative party. But as long as Labour only puts forward candidates from the Teacher's Union and the ACTU their front-bench is going to look very suspect and unrealistic as election time draws near, IMHO. Of course, the media loves Rudd as they never could Latham, so I expect saturation balderdash for many months to come.
From the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language:
liberal:
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.
a. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
b. Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.
n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.

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[Middle English, generous, from Old French, from Latin lberlis, from lber, free; see leudh- in Indo-European roots.]

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Post by Novitiate » Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:29 pm

Agnes Selby wrote:What must be understood here is that Australia is heading
toward Federal elections. The Labor Party has been out of office
for a long time. It is not only America and George Bush the
Laborites here hate, it is mostly our Prime Minister, Mr. Howard.
And let us not forget, to the Australian INTELLIGENCIA
(Academics, journalists and the like) left wing politics are manna from heaven. Being a Labor voter in Australia shows that you are a "true blue thinker" and the grey matter in your head is working. Being a Liberal
voter simple means that you have stopped functioning. So this epistle is written by a dead woman.
I beg to disagree. Labor could hardly be considered 'left wing' these days.

My problem is that I've come across Liberal voters, who, when questioned about Howard's actions in the past e.g. WMD in Iraq, children overboard incident, concede, yes he lied, but at least interest rates are low. So is voting according to criteria such as honesty now a luxury that few can afford?

Ted

Post by Ted » Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:53 pm

Agnes
Yes, Hicks is as you say, but so was John Walker Lynn and he was tried long ago
There is a bit of inequity there but not enough to make Hicks a martyr as Holden Fourth seems to suggest

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Post by Brendan » Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:44 pm

Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
That an American dictionary defines "liberal" in a manner different to the way an Australian dictionary might (in reference to politcs in USA, Canada and Great Britain) in no way contradicts my point, IMHO. Our conservative/right-wing party is still called Liberal whatever the American Heritage dictionary may say. That Menzies may have had Disraeli in mind when he founded the party also says little about its political stance since about Harold Holt.

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Post by burnitdown » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:25 am

When Greece was dying, they were proud of their democracy and multiculture too.

The problem isn't America... it's the state of America and its political values.

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Post by Holden Fourth » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:26 am

I don't want to set up Hicks as a martyr because I don't believe in martyrdom. At best he is an ignorant disillusioned cretin and at worst a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic. Personally, I'd hate to see him freely walking the streets of any Australian city.

But Hicks as a terrorist? No way Jose! The man needs serious psychiatric treatment and the only analogy I can make is to go back to the late 1930s when all those who were 'mentally affected' were sent to a KZ by the National Socialist party of Germany.

David Hicks has not killed, bombed or maimed anybody and his intention to do so is not evident. His crime appears to be that he was a westerner caught in the Middle East as a member of a terrorist organisation. Surely he has a constitutional right to justice and if he is accorded these rights in a supposedly FREE America and convicted then so be it! That hasn't happened and as a result I question the perception of justice and freedom espoused by the current American administration.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:05 am

Werner wrote:Anti-Americanism and criticism of the Bush Administration are two entirely different things.
Not in the last 7 years they aren't.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:15 am

burnitdown wrote:The problem isn't America... it's the state of America and its political values.
:roll: Distinction without a difference. The US has brought more freedom and prosperity to more people than any other nation in the history of the planet. It continues to do so.
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Post by Agnes Selby » Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:05 am

Holden Fourth wrote:I don't want to set up Hicks as a martyr because I don't believe in martyrdom. At best he is an ignorant disillusioned cretin and at worst a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic. Personally, I'd hate to see him freely walking the streets of any Australian city.

But Hicks as a terrorist? No way Jose! .
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Dear Holden Fourth,


Thank you for that. Neither do I want Hicks to walk the streets
of any Australian city. Nor do I want him to influence other cretins
to do evil deeds. I would like to live in a free Australia where I don't have to worry about the Harbour Bridge being blown up just as my grandson
sits in a train crossing the bridge on his way to school.

The man you defend is a man you do not know. You only know what the
Press wants you to believe. Hicks went to Afghanistan of his free will. He left his child behind. He left his family behind to fight his fight. Have you been appraised of the letters he wrote to his father from Afghanistan.
I read one published in the Herald and it was enough. He simply loved the killings in the name of his newly discovered God, Allah.

Please spare me the pity. Hicks gloried in his role as killer for his Islamic beliefs and had shown no pity himself. How do you know he did not kill anyone? How can you be so certain.

Hicks will have his day in Court. Already his lawyers claim that the accusations will be false and made up. And, they do not even know what these accusations are. It may be better left for proper legal procedures to take place.

He was not a a young traveller taking in the sights of Europe or
Afghanistan. He was not in that dug out accidentally because he had
missed his bus to the art museum. Hicks was in that dug-out for one reason only to attend to business. And his business was killing.

Regards,
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Post by Agnes Selby » Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:17 am

P.S.

...and please do not compare Hicks' present abode to German concentration camps. Those camps exterminated innocent women and children, old men and old women. They were careful to remove the gold from their teeth and took away their possessions. How many teddy bears were found on a heap next to the crematoriums? They gave them zilch to eat. They experimented on them medically removing women's insides for their own pleasure. To the inmates of Auschwitz, Quantamo Bay would seem like paradise. No smell of burning flesh either and a toilet in every room. What luxury!!!!!
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Post by RebLem » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:58 pm

Agnes Selby wrote: I would also like to add that the hatred of America overseas is
to me the most disgusting thing. If it were not for America, they, the
Europeans and perhaps the whole world would today be in Nazi hands.
Or perhaps, by now the Nazis and the Commis would have had it out and the world would be in PUTIN'S hands.

Regards,
Agnes.
I don't think it would have been quite that bad, but close. I have thought about this a lot partly because I majored in history, but also partly because my favorite science fiction genre is the alternative history--what would have happened if... scenarios.

My senario if the US had not entered the war would be this. Britain would still be Britain, but the Russians would have wiped out free Europe, and they would have met the Russians at the Channel. The big question in my mind would have been, what about Asia and Australia? Formally, the Russians were pro-Mao. For sure, Chiang Kai-Shek & the Kuomintang would have been toast, but that's about all you can say for sure; Stalin might have made a deal with the Japanese that would have allowed them to keep most of what they had conquered, but probably not in China.

I do think, though, that that scenario would not have lasted. Burdened with the governance of all Western Europe between the Baltic and the Mediterranean, they would not have been able to keep it up. Remember, that even as it was, Tito forced their hand in Yugoslavia and forced them to allow him to go his own way. I think that would have happened in the rest of Europe, too, and the Soviet Empire would have collapsed of its own weight long before it actually did.

Of course, that is the long view. In the meantime, there would have been a lot more human suffering, especiallly in Western Europe, than there was. Not a resolution, all things considered, that would have been terribly desirable, but still, not as disastrous as a more or less permanent Nazi Europe.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:01 pm

Agnes Selby wrote:P.S.

...and please do not compare Hicks' present abode to German concentration camps.
Agnes! Obviously you are not reading the HRW & AI hype in the complicit media accounts. Our mere detention of these jihadis is torture because we are preventing them from killing more Americans, who, after all, are the real villains, the true threat to world peace. And let's not forget how we are fattening them up on their favorite foods to give them chronic obesity - another cruel and inhumane tactic to force them to betray their comrades. What about the library! Clearly designed to brainwash them and deprive them of their murderous and suicidal philosophy, to which they have every right, as defended by the ACLU.
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Corlyss_D wrote:
Agnes Selby wrote:P.S.

...and please do not compare Hicks' present abode to German concentration camps.
Agnes! Obviously you are not reading the HRW & AI hype in the complicit media accounts. Our mere detention of these jihadis is torture because we are preventing them from killing more Americans, who, after all, are the real villains, the true threat to world peace. And let's not forget how we are fattening them up on their favorite foods to give them chronic obesity - another cruel and inhumane tactic to force them to betray their comrades. What about the library! Clearly designed to brainwash them and deprive them of their murderous and suicidal philosophy, to which they have every right, as defended by the ACLU.
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Re: Hicks

Post by Agnes Selby » Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:24 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:
Agnes Selby wrote:P.S.

...and please do not compare Hicks' present abode to German concentration camps.
Agnes! Obviously you are not reading the HRW & AI hype in the complicit media accounts. Our mere detention of these jihadis is torture because we are preventing them from killing more Americans, who, after all, are the real villains, the true threat to world peace. And let's not forget how we are fattening them up on their favorite foods to give them chronic obesity - another cruel and inhumane tactic to force them to betray their comrades. What about the library! Clearly designed to brainwash them and deprive them of their murderous and suicidal philosophy, to which they have every right, as defended by the ACLU.
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No Corlyss, I have not been subjected to the HRW and AI hype. But I can see your point. How terrible of the US to observe the Jihadists' dietary requirements. And the library, terrible propaganda. Any Shakespeare there? That would truly be an insult to their sensibilities. Romeo and
Juliet is a decadent example of Western society. Juliet, by all accounts, should have been put to death by her own father, don't you think? :wink:

Worse still is the increase of polio incidents in Afghanistan where the Mullahs have been warning people through loudspeakers from the Mosques not to allow their children to be innoculated by American health workers because the shots would prevent their children from enjoying the fruits of manhood.

However, to put everyone's mind at rest, the doctors who examined
Hicks, found him in excellent health. This according to yesterday's Herald.


Regards,
Agnes.

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Post by Stonebraker » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:48 pm

Good americans dont read newspapers. Espcially ones from other countries.

stop being bad americans plz
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Post by burnitdown » Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:16 am

People don't hate America. They hate liberal democracy, consumerism, mass media, Coca-Cola and strip malls.

Any sane person would hate that, but America is that, to most people. And what was the cause?

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Post by Agnes Selby » Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:33 pm

burnitdown wrote:People don't hate America. They hate liberal democracy, consumerism, mass media, Coca-Cola and strip malls.

Any sane person would hate that, but America is that, to most people.




And what was the cause?
The cause? I think it was the empty Coca Cola bottle. I filled
the empty bottle with water and watered my big, beautiful ficus which stood majestically in the corner of my living room. It keeled over and dropped dead.

Agnes.

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Post by burnitdown » Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:40 pm

Agnes Selby wrote:I think it was the empty Coca Cola bottle. I filled
the empty bottle with water and watered my big, beautiful ficus which stood majestically in the corner of my living room. It keeled over and dropped dead.
Another liberal gone...?

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