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Post by keaggy220 » Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:59 am

Now hit yourself over the head with your raised hand. Here's a WP article about Michelle Malkin, a Filipino conservative, who has been attacked excessively by the left in much the same way that one would think backwoods KKK hooded folk attack minorities. The hypocrisy is so great that it would be funny if it were not so sad. People, no matter how idealistic about racial harmony they claim to be, don't like people that don't think alike and a good number of them don't attack the ideas, but take a page from the clan. It appears to me the left just don't get called out on it as much...

By the way, Michelle is fun to read if you are a conservative, but she is over top and sometimes she publishes stories that have not been confirmed accurate. When she reports somethiing false I have noted that she does correct the story if there is undeniable proof her published report is wrong. She is a blogger and that's what bloggers do.

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Post by Ralph » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:08 am

Which is why bloggers, in the main, are a waste of time.

Some bloggers claims they're journalists and should have the same respect and protections as media reporters. This one apparently is a fabricator who only corrects her false stories when confronted with "undeniable proof." I wouldn't waste 30 seconds on her.
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Post by burnitdown » Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:44 pm

Bloggers are a waste of time.

The left uses its praise of minorities, many of whom lag behind for obvious reasons (Average African-American IQ: 89, Average Mexican IQ: 94), for moral superiority.

Kind of how the fascist right uses its support for Jews and Evangelicals to justify its own insanity.

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Post by piston » Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:12 pm

burnitdown wrote:Bloggers are a waste of time.

The left uses its praise of minorities, many of whom lag behind for obvious reasons (Average African-American IQ: 89, Average Mexican IQ: 94), for moral superiority.

Kind of how the fascist right uses its support for Jews and Evangelicals to justify its own insanity.
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Post by Ralph » Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:56 pm

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burnitdown wrote:Bloggers are a waste of time.

The left uses its praise of minorities, many of whom lag behind for obvious reasons (Average African-American IQ: 89, Average Mexican IQ: 94), for moral superiority.

Kind of how the fascist right uses its support for Jews and Evangelicals to justify its own insanity.
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Post by keaggy220 » Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:10 pm

Talk about timing... I was flipping through the channels tonight and Malkin was guest hosting O'Reilly.

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Post by anasazi » Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:55 am

So the moral is that if Hitler had been part of a minority group, it would have been hypocritical for Roosevelt to oppose him?
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:25 am

Ralph wrote: bloggers, in the main, are a waste of time.
True, but there are a few that are worth reading, especially those by experts who use their blogs to participate in the new media without necessarily tossing out their journalistic standards. E.g., Counterterrorismblog, the Iranian bloggers who use their blogs to inform their expat communities and others of what's going on in Iran, Commentary's blog, NRO's blog, National Journal's blog, Powerlineblog (which contains some excellent legal commentary), Hotline's blog, and others I can't recall at this late hour.

It's a mistake to dismiss them all as journalistic excrescence. Their worth all depends on the blogger and the purpose of the blog.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:27 am

burnitdown wrote:(Average African-American IQ: 89, Average Mexican IQ: 94), for moral superiority.
What's your source?
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:32 am

the left stand for minorities
Of course the left stands for minorities!

Just so long as they can keep the minorities poor, ignorant, barefoot, and voting Democratic. Once minority individuals understands that the left will not make them rich, indeed wants them to stay poor and dependent on the Democrats, the left wants nothing to do with them. Minorities are useful to the left as vote machines and symbols of how deeply the left feels for the poor, nothing else.
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Post by Teresa B » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:01 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
burnitdown wrote:(Average African-American IQ: 89, Average Mexican IQ: 94), for moral superiority.
What's your source?
I don't want to turn this into an IQ thread (I can't speak for the "left" although I suppose I am left of center--I do know that I personally have no desire to keep anyone downtrodden) but I find the quoting of IQ statistics to justify the social situation of an entire race to be vacuous and offensive. The current state of society in general is a hell of a lot more complex than what people got on a couple of exams.

Case in point--My sister, my son and I have all had IQ tests (Wechsler, Stanford-Binet, the usual ones) during our lifetimes that have varied in scores from 98 to 140. (Each of us has varied that much on different occasions)

But we three are not a statistically significant study. Read S.J. Gould's "The Mismeasure of Man" and Howard Gardner's book on multiple intelligences. (I forget the title at the moment--must be one of my 98 IQ moments :( )

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Post by Ralph » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:05 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
Ralph wrote: bloggers, in the main, are a waste of time.
True, but there are a few that are worth reading, especially those by experts who use their blogs to participate in the new media without necessarily tossing out their journalistic standards. E.g., Counterterrorismblog, the Iranian bloggers who use their blogs to inform their expat communities and others of what's going on in Iran, Commentary's blog, NRO's blog, National Journal's blog, Powerlineblog (which contains some excellent legal commentary), Hotline's blog, and others I can't recall at this late hour.

It's a mistake to dismiss them all as journalistic excrescence. Their worth all depends on the blogger and the purpose of the blog.
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Good point, Corlyss, and I was distinguishing, perhaps not well, between professionals who use blogs (those in any discipline or area of expertise) and the instant self-proclaimed oracles.

I'm in a bit of a dilemma myself because there is a clear developing practice of law professors blogging in their own areas of expertise and I've been asked to do so too. I'm hesitant, not simply because of the time commitment but out of fear that the care, thought and effort that goes into an article can't realistically be invested in a blog.
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Post by RebLem » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:41 am

Teresa B wrote:
Corlyss_D wrote:
burnitdown wrote:(Average African-American IQ: 89, Average Mexican IQ: 94), for moral superiority.
What's your source?
I don't want to turn this into an IQ thread (I can't speak for the "left" although I suppose I am left of center--I do know that I personally have no desire to keep anyone downtrodden) but I find the quoting of IQ statistics to justify the social situation of an entire race to be vacuous and offensive. The current state of society in general is a hell of a lot more complex than what people got on a couple of exams.

Case in point--My sister, my son and I have all had IQ tests (Wechsler, Stanford-Binet, the usual ones) during our lifetimes that have varied in scores from 98 to 140. (Each of us has varied that much on different occasions)

But we three are not a statistically significant study. Read S.J. Gould's "The Mismeasure of Man" and Howard Gardner's book on multiple intelligences. (I forget the title at the moment--must be one of my 98 IQ moments :( )

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Post by DavidRoss » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:47 am

Maybe not the left, but liberals love downtrodden minorities--that's why liberals support policies that keep treading on them and keep them down, promoting an endless supply of cheap labor and ignorant voters who can be counted on to choose rhetoric over reason every November.
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Post by keaggy220 » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:31 pm

anasazi wrote:So the moral is that if Hitler had been part of a minority group, it would have been hypocritical for Roosevelt to oppose him?
Uh, Malkin hasn't killed 5 million Jews... She's only expressing her conservative opinions on a blog site.

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Post by keaggy220 » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:32 pm

You sound like Bill Cosby - and I agree with both of you.
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the left stand for minorities
Of course the left stands for minorities!

Just so long as they can keep the minorities poor, ignorant, barefoot, and voting Democratic. Once minority individuals understands that the left will not make them rich, indeed wants them to stay poor and dependent on the Democrats, the left wants nothing to do with them. Minorities are useful to the left as vote machines and symbols of how deeply the left feels for the poor, nothing else.

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Post by keaggy220 » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:36 pm

burnitdown wrote:Bloggers are a waste of time.

The left uses its praise of minorities, many of whom lag behind for obvious reasons (Average African-American IQ: 89, Average Mexican IQ: 94), for moral superiority.

Kind of how the fascist right uses its support for Jews and Evangelicals to justify its own insanity.
Wow, you just offended the left and right in two sentences!

IQ has nothing to do with it - minorities just need more government assistance and they will be on a level playing field with the whites! At least that is what's being implied by the so called minority leaders.

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Post by anasazi » Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:38 pm

keaggy220 wrote:
anasazi wrote:So the moral is that if Hitler had been part of a minority group, it would have been hypocritical for Roosevelt to oppose him?
Uh, Malkin hasn't killed 5 million Jews... She's only expressing her conservative opinions on a blog site.
Yes, I know. It was just an extreme example. I have no problem with anyone expressing their views, left or right. But to assume that when you support voting rights (for instance) for minority groups, as the left wing of American politics has done and assume that their stance means they have to agree with ANYTHING a member of that group says, that's nonsense.
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Post by jack stowaway » Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:20 pm

Aren't 'whites' a minority? Certainly, taken on a world-wide basis, whites are very distinctly a minority, and becoming more so each and every day.

As for the Left and its infatuation with minority politics, one only has to recall the origins of that most suicidal of ideologies, multiculturalism -- invented as policy by the Canadian Liberal Party in a blatant push for votes.

Canada created the elephant and now countries all over the Western world are stuck with it.

The only countries that seem to be free of both multiculturalism and its bastard off-spring, political correctness, are those in the Third (sorry, 'Developing') World.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:39 pm

jack stowaway wrote:Aren't 'whites' a minority?
No, of course not, because they have all the wealth. And even if whites were a minority, it would be fascist to say so. The next thing you know those barbarous colonialists and war-mongering oppressors of people of color might seem sympathetic just because they are the authors of western civilization (the thing that makes the rest of the world want to come to the west) and western civilization is under attack world-wide. Evoking sympathy for whites would be disasterous for the sanctimonious do-gooders who are not thru making the west pay for all the suffering it caused to everyone else. Thing is, if they (meaning the sanctimonious do-gooders, the 3rd world, the multicultural left, and the ACLU) can't fix it, they have no right to break it.
As for the Left and its infatuation with minority politics, one only has to recall the origins of that most suicidal of ideologies, multiculturalism -- invented as policy by the Canadian Liberal Party in a blatant push for votes.

Canada created the elephant and now countries all over the Western world are stuck with it.
Jack, I'm curious about this. I know little of the history of Canadian efforts at cultural suicide, although I am aware that their efforts have proceeded appace for all the years the Liberal party was in charge. As far as I know, Canada has no colonial past expect its own history under the French and British. I'm at a loss. What the hell do they have to feel guilty FOR? Or have they christened themselves a roving commission to do good?
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Post by Opus132 » Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:55 pm

keaggy220 wrote: Wow, you just offended the left and right in two sentences!

IQ has nothing to do with it - minorities just need more government assistance and they will be on a level playing field with the whites! At least that is what's being implied by the so called minority leaders.
I think they need less government assistance and more of a kick in the ass and a warning to get moving. I know of a black girl from another forum who's parents bitch at her because her perfect diction and higher education makes her look 'too white' in their eyes. It seems to me black americans were a lot smarter when we were shoving our values down their collective throats. We went from John Coltrane and Martin Luther King to 50 Cents and Jessie Jackson. What happened?

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Post by Opus132 » Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:59 pm

jack stowaway wrote:Aren't 'whites' a minority? Certainly, taken on a world-wide basis, whites are very distinctly a minority, and becoming more so each and every day.

As for the Left and its infatuation with minority politics, one only has to recall the origins of that most suicidal of ideologies, multiculturalism -- invented as policy by the Canadian Liberal Party in a blatant push for votes.

Canada created the elephant and now countries all over the Western world are stuck with it.

The only countries that seem to be free of both multiculturalism and its bastard off-spring, political correctness, are those in the Third (sorry, 'Developing') World.
It seems you are a little off with your understanding of the origins of multiculturalism and political correctness. The word you are looking for is socialism, the scourge of modern civilization...

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Post by jack stowaway » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:51 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
jack stowaway wrote:Aren't 'whites' a minority?
Jack, I'm curious about this. I know little of the history of Canadian efforts at cultural suicide, although I am aware that their efforts have proceeded appace for all the years the Liberal party was in charge. As far as I know, Canada has no colonial past expect its own history under the French and British. I'm at a loss. What the hell do they have to feel guilty FOR? Or have they christened themselves a roving commission to do good?
Canadians feel the generalised guilt peculiar to whites: that the West is responsible for all the sorrows of the world; ie. if a person anywhere on the planet is upset or dissatisifed with life then there is a causal link between that unhappiness and some action, or inaction, on the part of conniving white society.

It is the duty and function of Liberals to explicate this link.

As for Canada and multiculturalism they (Canadians) are now as victimised as everyone else on the planet by Muslims priviliging Islamic 'rights' over local sensibiilties.

This is a double irony in the case of Quebec. Claiming to be a distinctive minority within the Canadian Commonwealth they are now having to deal with their own minority-within-a-minority problem. In this case, Islamic exceptionalism clashes head-on with proud Quebecoise traditions of cultural distinctiveness.

The issue came to a head recently in the small town of Herouxville. There, the good citizens passed a code of conduct abjuring would-be residents against wearing the veil and requiring all Muslim males to forego the innocent pleasures of stoning women to death.

For some reason, Islamic groups took exception to this reasonable pronouncement and marched on the town. Passions were further inflamed by the publication of a retaliatory poem which, in effect, called all Quebec women 'whores' for not wearing the veil.

Ho hum, another day, another fatwah.

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Post by burnitdown » Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:09 am

keaggy220 wrote:IQ has nothing to do with it - minorities just need more government assistance and they will be on a level playing field with the whites! At least that is what's being implied by the so called minority leaders.
Like most white power leaders, most minority ethnicity nationalist groups are currently corrupt. That's changing, however. Handouts do nothing but make a group weaker.

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Post by anasazi » Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:45 am

I realize that pc or 'political correctness' is largely associated with the left, but think we all need to look at this a little closer. Where I live now, and in a Florida county that is resoundingly conservative, there is a pc move on to ban 'lighting up' on a public beach. The reasons of course is that those who smoke are the SOLE cause of litter on the beach. Non-smokers just never leave gum, soda straws or old fish hooks lying about.

What is odd is that I've even e-mailed my county commisioners about it and saying that this is a litter issue, not a smoking issue. Now all of the commisioners here are Republican. But the only one of them who even answered my e-mail was the more moderate (IMO) of the bunch. I guess you can cut pc any number of ways. To me it is more of a socialogical thing, than a political one.

So I think pc can be equally applied to both political extremes. Whoever is in in power. Now that skin color or ethnicity is kind of off-limits, we look for other minorities to persecute?
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Post by Brendan » Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:44 pm

PC beurocracy and activism have become entrenched in our culture, and both sides of politcs have to deal with it like it or not. For the Right, "caving" on smoking (a real health hazzard) whilst dealing with a plethora of activists on every front is more than a token gesture, but PC remains firmly an ideaology of the Left in most minds.

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Post by burnitdown » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:24 am

Brendan wrote:PC remains firmly an ideaology of the Left in most minds.
As Huntington points out, the right has become fairly left, thus causing a rise in "new right" and "third way" movements.

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Post by Brendan » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:36 am

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Brendan wrote:PC remains firmly an ideaology of the Left in most minds.
As Huntington points out, the right has become fairly left, thus causing a rise in "new right" and "third way" movements.
Which is why there are many old-school conservatives greatly disappointed with ex-Marxist Neo-cons and big government policies from those parties meant to be in favour of small government. As I said, the beurocracy of PC is now firmly entrenched, and the pragmatists use it to their (immediate) advantage rather than getting rid of it.

Nevertheless, have a good look at PC activism and its origins always seem to be on the Left, IMHO.

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Post by burnitdown » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:42 am

Brendan wrote:Which is why there are many old-school conservatives greatly disappointed with ex-Marxist Neo-cons and big government policies from those parties meant to be in favour of small government.
Agreed: the modern right has betrayed its roots, "sold out" if you will.

I started out ultra-leftist, and could never stomach rightism but liked tradition, so I read enough Plato and Aristotle to understand the real task at hand in governance.

Now given this wisdom, I get to watch the average person "thinking" and to reflect, "They are all conveying themselves toward their doom, believing it to be paradise."

It is alternatingly amusing and horrifying. But not every species makes it to the stars.

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