Name a beautiful piece of serial music
Name a beautiful piece of serial music
The closest one I can come up with is Dallapiccola's "Quaderno Musicale Di Annalibera - Simbolo."
Does Bill Evans' "T.T.T. (Twelve Tone Tune)" count?
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Does Bill Evans' "T.T.T. (Twelve Tone Tune)" count?
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Re: Name a beautiful piece of serial music
I take it you mean serial as in 12-tone in general, but some people only consider music to be serialism if note duration, dynamics, etc. are serialized in which case you end up with that choppy, stabby style. I'm not a big fan of that.IcedNote wrote:The closest one I can come up with is Dallapiccola's "Quaderno Musicale Di Annalibera - Simbolo."
Does Bill Evans' "T.T.T. (Twelve Tone Tune)" count?
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Pretty 12-tone music: Schoenberg Variations for Orchestra. Berg Violin Concerto.
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Try the Benjamin Frankel symphonies or his Holocaust memorial violin concerto, "To the Memory of the Six Million."
(A curiosity: the Frankel Violin Concerto has a very unusual structure for a violin concerto, four movements, slow-fast-slow-fast. The Shostakovich First Violin Concerto, also generally considered as a memorial for Holocaust victims and incorporating Jewish-sounding themes, also has the exact same structure, four movements, slow-fast-slow-fast. However, the Shostakovich First Violin Concerto was largely completed by 1948 but suppressed by the composer in the aftermath of the Zhdanovshchina; it was not played until after Stalin's death in 1955. Frankel's concerto was written in 1951 and premiered that year by Max Rostal, so he would probably not have known the Shostakovich work.)
(A curiosity: the Frankel Violin Concerto has a very unusual structure for a violin concerto, four movements, slow-fast-slow-fast. The Shostakovich First Violin Concerto, also generally considered as a memorial for Holocaust victims and incorporating Jewish-sounding themes, also has the exact same structure, four movements, slow-fast-slow-fast. However, the Shostakovich First Violin Concerto was largely completed by 1948 but suppressed by the composer in the aftermath of the Zhdanovshchina; it was not played until after Stalin's death in 1955. Frankel's concerto was written in 1951 and premiered that year by Max Rostal, so he would probably not have known the Shostakovich work.)
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Just one? I'm having a hard time coming up with just one ugly one.
Trouble is the word "beautiful," which identifies something about the listener and little to nothing about the thing listened to.
So you'll get long lists (or responses like this one) from people who listen to serial music and like it and short lists (or none at all) from people who don't listen to it much. And possibly you'll get some wrangling about whether or not a proffered piece is really serial or not and maybe some quibbling about what "beautiful" means.
If "beautiful" means "what I, Michael Karman, find attractive" (and "serial" means "anything vaguely systematic that doesn't use a key" ), then I'd start off with Boulez' ...explosante fixe..., and go on from there to list every serial piece by Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Gerhard, Wellesz, Searle, Sessions, Messiaen and and and and....
Trouble is the word "beautiful," which identifies something about the listener and little to nothing about the thing listened to.
So you'll get long lists (or responses like this one) from people who listen to serial music and like it and short lists (or none at all) from people who don't listen to it much. And possibly you'll get some wrangling about whether or not a proffered piece is really serial or not and maybe some quibbling about what "beautiful" means.
If "beautiful" means "what I, Michael Karman, find attractive" (and "serial" means "anything vaguely systematic that doesn't use a key" ), then I'd start off with Boulez' ...explosante fixe..., and go on from there to list every serial piece by Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Gerhard, Wellesz, Searle, Sessions, Messiaen and and and and....
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Anything works! Whatever you take it to mean is fine by me. I just want to find out some of the members' aesthetic choices when it comes to this music. Personally, I find it rather tiresome to listen to. Just trying to expand my horizons here.
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Excellent choice.diegobueno wrote:Berg's Lyric Suite is probably the first piece I think of in connection with beautiful 12-tone music.
This reminds me of Eine Faust-Symphonie by Franz Liszt. The main theme, stated by violas and celli, is a descending sequence of four augmented triads. This is apparently the first true 12-tone row in music, but there the atonality stops. The piece itself is not at all serial, and in fact it's simply a highly chromatic tonality. But this expanding chromaticism is a distant ancestor of truly atonal music.
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Yes. It's a twelve-tone work, as are some other late works of Berg's such as the opera _Lulu_. But your question is a good one, as Berg ingeniously and movingly managed to work tonal quotations into the serial structure: an Austrian folksong and Bach's harmonization of the chorale "Es ist genug." He could do this partly because of the nature of the tone row he uses and partly, I'm told, because he didn't always follow Schoenberg's "rules" for twelve-tone composition very strictly.JPS wrote:Is the Berg's violin concerto really a serial work?
A brief article on the piece, including the notation of the tone row, is in the Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violin_Concerto_(Berg)
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Excellent point!some guy wrote:Trouble is the word "beautiful," which identifies something about the listener and little to nothing about the thing listened to.
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Bartok--like Hindemith, Copland, Shostakovich and Britten--was anti-serial/12-tone music.Auntie Lynn wrote:If anybody mentioned that Bartok thing for Strings, Percussion and Celeste, I second the motion...
One of the most moving 12-tone works I know is Schoenberg's "A Survivor from Warsaw" for Speaker, Chorus and Orchestra. If "moving" is "beautiful"---then I nominate this work!
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Rodeo Copland, maybe.
Not Inscape Copland or Connotations Copland, though.
Two pretty nice pieces, there, doing twelve-tone in his own way....
Not Inscape Copland or Connotations Copland, though.
Two pretty nice pieces, there, doing twelve-tone in his own way....
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Well, some guy----you can lasso "Rodeo", drink up all the beer "On the Town" and capture "Billy the Kid" dead-or-alive----but that doesn't make any of this music 12-tone! (But I love it for what it is!)some guy wrote:Rodeo Copland, maybe.
Not Inscape Copland or Connotations Copland, though.
Two pretty nice pieces, there, doing twelve-tone in his own way....
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Copland's Piano Variations beautiful/expressive using serial techniques...
same goes for 3rd Period Stravinsky...things in Agon, Canticum Sacrum, Threni & others...
Boulez's Le marteau is a beautiful and fascinating post-serial work..
Stockhausen's Choral is a brilliant & beautiful compact serial work.
Berg's Lyric Suite & Violin Concerto as mentioned.
Webern's oeuvre...
same goes for 3rd Period Stravinsky...things in Agon, Canticum Sacrum, Threni & others...
Boulez's Le marteau is a beautiful and fascinating post-serial work..
Stockhausen's Choral is a brilliant & beautiful compact serial work.
Berg's Lyric Suite & Violin Concerto as mentioned.
Webern's oeuvre...
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Not sure what you're referring to by "this," Jack, but Inscape, Connotations, and several other late pieces are certainly serial. (Starting in 1950, the same year Sessions started.)
Or perhaps you'd prefer "use serial techniques"?
Don't know how much use there has to be to qualify in your books for being "12-tone," but there it is, right there, for everyone to hear (and for a smaller portion of that everyone to analyze).
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Or perhaps you'd prefer "use serial techniques"?
Don't know how much use there has to be to qualify in your books for being "12-tone," but there it is, right there, for everyone to hear (and for a smaller portion of that everyone to analyze).
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There's a reissue of an Argo recording due in a couple of days:
Lutyens' "And Suddenly it's Evening" for tenor (Herbert Handt) and instruments grouped into various ensembles. It's a beautiful work.
Lutyens was heavily involved with serial writing (with some 12-tone) and has been woefully neglected in the UK, so this Lyrita CD is welcome.
I started a separate thread on the reissue but got timed out and it blanked my post so I couldn't go through typing it all again!
Lutyens' "And Suddenly it's Evening" for tenor (Herbert Handt) and instruments grouped into various ensembles. It's a beautiful work.
Lutyens was heavily involved with serial writing (with some 12-tone) and has been woefully neglected in the UK, so this Lyrita CD is welcome.
I started a separate thread on the reissue but got timed out and it blanked my post so I couldn't go through typing it all again!
What music has been dedicated to the memory of the Holodomor, the Show Trials, the Purges, the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution and the Killing Fields?Modernistfan wrote:Try the Benjamin Frankel symphonies or his Holocaust memorial violin concerto, "To the Memory of the Six Million."
(A curiosity: the Frankel Violin Concerto has a very unusual structure for a violin concerto, four movements, slow-fast-slow-fast. The Shostakovich First Violin Concerto, also generally considered as a memorial for Holocaust victims and incorporating Jewish-sounding themes, also has the exact same structure, four movements, slow-fast-slow-fast. However, the Shostakovich First Violin Concerto was largely completed by 1948 but suppressed by the composer in the aftermath of the Zhdanovshchina; it was not played until after Stalin's death in 1955. Frankel's concerto was written in 1951 and premiered that year by Max Rostal, so he would probably not have known the Shostakovich work.)
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