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Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by ravel30 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:24 pm

Dear CMG members,

I do not write here as much anymore due mainly to a lack of time. However, I still think of you and I thought that I could start a new thread. In 2001, when I was still a real newbie, I purchased an introductory book on classical music entitled "Classical Music, a New Way of Listening" by Alexander Waugh. I found that book every interesting and I often go back to it once in a while. While reading the author's comments on Brahms back then, I came upon the following line: "For those whose first experience with Brahms was the very german Ein Deutsch Requiem or his piano pieces Op. 116 to 119, please do not get discouraged. Their audacity and their beauty will one day reveal themselves to you". I finally listened to the piano pieces some times later after reading that line. It took me some times but I eventually learned to appreciate and love these pieces to the point where I now totally agree with the end part of Waugh's line.

Some said that they are pieces from an old man who look back at the past with nostalgia. Some say that it makes them think of the Fall. I have always found that these pieces where somehow the equivalent for the piano of the late Clarinet Sonatas, Clarinet Trio and Clarinet Quintet of Brahms (written near the end of his career as well). They have always being among my favorite works of Brahms. Especially the Op.118.

Anyways, I would really like to know the thoughts of CMG members regarding theses pieces.

Here is a question to get even more replies :lol: : Any favorite recording of these works ?

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Ken » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:22 am

Listen to the Glenn Gould recording. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:02 am

ravel30 wrote: I finally listened to the piano pieces some times later after reading that line. It took me some times but I eventually learned to appreciate and love these pieces to the point where I now totally agree with the end part of Waugh's line.

Some said that they are pieces from an old man who look back at the past with nostalgia. Some say that it makes them think of the Fall. *** Clarinet Quintet of Brahms (written near the end of his career as well). They have always being among my favorite works of Brahms. Especially the Op.118.

Here is a question to get even more replies :lol: : Any favorite recording of these works ?
Nice to see you again, Matt.

These are my desert island Brahms. I adore these pieces. As much as I dislike big Brahms, I love these compositions exponentially more. My fav recordings are the Kempff for the piano pieces, available on Galleria, a DGG budget label, and Stoltzman's recording with the Cleveland Quartet (nla) when all were too young to really understand the depth of the elegiac feeling in the Quintet, but rendered it so beautifully anyway. Much superior to his effort with the Tokyo IMO. The latter lacked the warmth of the former.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by ravel30 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:08 am

Ken wrote:Listen to the Glenn Gould recording. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
Hi Ken,

Nice to talk to you again. Interesting comment. Any thoughts on the pieces though ?

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by ravel30 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:10 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
ravel30 wrote: I finally listened to the piano pieces some times later after reading that line. It took me some times but I eventually learned to appreciate and love these pieces to the point where I now totally agree with the end part of Waugh's line.

Some said that they are pieces from an old man who look back at the past with nostalgia. Some say that it makes them think of the Fall. *** Clarinet Quintet of Brahms (written near the end of his career as well). They have always being among my favorite works of Brahms. Especially the Op.118.

Here is a question to get even more replies :lol: : Any favorite recording of these works ?
Nice to see you again, Matt.

These are my desert island Brahms. I adore these pieces. As much as I dislike big Brahms, I love these compositions exponentially more. My fav recordings are the Kempff for the piano pieces, available on Galleria, a DGG budget label, and Stoltzman's recording with the Cleveland Quartet (nla) when all were too young to really understand the depth of the elegiac feeling in the Quintet, but rendered it so beautifully anyway. Much superior to his effort with the Tokyo IMO. The latter lacked the warmth of the former.
Hi Corlyss_D,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on theses pieces and on the Clarinet Quintet as a bonus. The Quintet was not really part of my questions but I would have to agree with you concerning the eligiatic feeling. Great comment and observation.

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Lance » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:49 am

I am very much attracted to these sets of pieces. I always had a passion for those recorded by Wihelm Kempff for DGG, and any that Walter Gieseking recorded as well as Bruce Hungerford's on Vanguard, and those recorded by Julius Katchen on Decca. I also very much love the Op. 76 set as well. Among all these pieces comprising those four opuses, Brahms offers much diversity in pianistic colour and technique ... some real introspective gems for the pianist. There are, of course, many fine recordings of individual pieces performed by pianists from all these sets. The nice thing is one can "pick and choose!"
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by gfweis » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:26 am

Although I like all of the Opp. 116-119 very much, the Op. 118 is my favorite. Here I prefer Stephen Bishop Kovacevich (Philips) to Lupu, Katchen, Gould, Kempff, and Gieseking. Gieseking is a bit fast, but I prefer that to a little too slow or indulged (Lupu, Katchen). Although I'm very fond of Kempff as a pianist, he is to me too abrupt here, and doesn't seem to quite gear into the idiom. I think Gilels recorded only the Op. 116, which I think is wonderful. I wish he had done them all.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by maestrob » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:43 am

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Nicholas Angelich plays these like he was born with Brahms in his fingers. I have loved excerpts from these sets on other recordings (notably Emmanuel Ax), but this was my first complete set: I could listen to them over and over.

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by stenka razin » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:02 pm

I have so many versions of these great piano masterpices. But, I will recommend Wilhelm Kempff. He is exquisite in this sublime gems. 8)

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by lmpower » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:38 pm

These are the autumnal works of an old man in a declining civilization. I dearly love them. What do you think of the Radu Lupu interpretation?

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Wallingford » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:45 pm

I always liked sightreading them, back when my fingers had the strength.

I did the Intermezzo in A on the organ as prelude music in church a few times; the F Major Intermezzo is also quite suitable, though it requires some shifting in the hand parts (the main theme's in octaves, in both hands).

Some memorable historical recordings:
any that Backhaus did;
Murdoch (on Decca) doing the E-flat Intermezzo (Op.117) and the E-flat Rhapsody (Op.119)....Murdoch takes it at the same breakneck speed as Gieseking but doesn't spill wrong notes all over the place;
Hess' Intermezzo in C (Op.119...this was just about her signature piece, apart from Jesu, Joy), and also her Duo-Art/Ampico piano roll of the E-flat Rhapsody from Op.119 (for the best transfer, find a copy of the Everest LP)
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by JackC » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:54 pm

Here' my favorite pianist in Brahms Intermezzo op.117-1.

Heavenly playing from a different age.


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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by stenka razin » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:15 pm

lmpower wrote:These are the autumnal works of an old man in a declining civilization. I dearly love them. What do you think of the Radu Lupu interpretation?

Lupu is a favorite pianist. His Decca Brahms is noble and intense. Highly recommended for a more powerful approach to these magnificent pieces. :D :D :D :D


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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Werner » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:38 pm

A great pick, Jack - illustrative of Schnabel's interest in works that were "greater than they can be performed."

As for Lupu, Mel, He's always worth hearing. I remember a recital of his some years ago, when he finished with Opus 118. You remember that desolate final Intermezzo ih E Flat Minor, one of the saddest endngs in music. Before the final chord faded, some damn fool yelled BRAVOOOOOO!

Ruined the mood completely.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by barney » Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:03 pm

Kempff absolutely, and Hamelin on Op 119, I just got it recently. Stephen Kovacevic I like too.

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by barney » Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:04 pm

Thanks for the Schnabel link. Exquisite.

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Wallingford » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:23 pm

I don't believe anyone's mentioned the late Walter Klien (on Vox)........he recorded all the published solo stuff, on two 3-disc Vox Boxes.

He was rather mincing in the manlier works, but appropriately sensitive in the others.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Chalkperson » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:49 am

Wallingford wrote:I don't believe anyone's mentioned the late Walter Klien (on Vox)........he recorded all the published solo stuff, on two 3-disc Vox Boxes.

He was rather mincing in the manlier works, but appropriately sensitive in the others.
They are now available in one 5CD Box, I paid $12.99 for mine... :D
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Ken » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:55 am

In addition to Gould I will also back up Kempff, who gives the pieces a wonderful texture. But now I'm interested in hearing Nicholas Angelich's recent recording; I've read a lot about him in the music press, and now that a CMGer has strongly recommended him...
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Teresa B » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:09 am

I love all these pieces, although I don't have a favorite disc of them. I especially love attempting them at the keyboard (currently revisiting 117 #2 --such a perfect embodiment of melancholy). Some of them I have gone back to over and over, and each time it's amazing to find subtleties that I missed before. These pieces are amazing to me in that they each have a sort of aura that remains the same over repeated hearings/playings, but beneath the surface they are protean.

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Wallingford » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:30 pm

The Rhapsody in E-flat, coming at the end of Op.119, is really quite the clincher. It's a fabulously surreal piece of music, what with the opening theme's muscularity, receding periodically into the shadows, giving way to a menacing C-minor theme, then conceding momentarily to this ultra-mellow, almost swishy A-flat theme.......it's like opening a long series of doors (to Wonderland, perhaps?) and finally ending where you started.

Brahms couldn't have written a more effective swansong to the solo piano.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by jbuck919 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:03 pm

Teresa B wrote:I love all these pieces, although I don't have a favorite disc of them. I especially love attempting them at the keyboard (currently revisiting 117 #2 --such a perfect embodiment of melancholy). Some of them I have gone back to over and over, and each time it's amazing to find subtleties that I missed before. These pieces are amazing to me in that they each have a sort of aura that remains the same over repeated hearings/playings, but beneath the surface they are protean.

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Corlyss_D » Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:49 pm

My favorite Brahms pianist playing my favorite intermezzo, Op 118, #2. Someone referring to this once said it was Brahms' farewell to the piano. Kempff plays it without excessive sentimentality, with a kind of matter-of-factness that one can imagine Brahms might have had toward the end of his career.

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Corlyss_D » Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:50 pm

Teresa B wrote:I love all these pieces, although I don't have a favorite disc of them. I especially love attempting them at the keyboard (currently revisiting 117 #2 --such a perfect embodiment of melancholy). Some of them I have gone back to over and over, and each time it's amazing to find subtleties that I missed before. These pieces are amazing to me in that they each have a sort of aura that remains the same over repeated hearings/playings, but beneath the surface they are protean.

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by John F » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:09 am

Here's another vote for Wilhelm Kempff's recordings of late Brahms. Actually, he recorded most of this music twice, and I like the earlier, somewhat more lyrical versions for Decca/London a bit better. But the DG recordings are very fine.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Wallingford » Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:36 pm

One pianist who virtually never made records: ABRAM CHASINS, author of the classic tome, "Speaking Of Pianists."

In the early 50s he was contracted to Mercury, for which he recorded Bach's Chromatic Fantasy & Fugue, Mozart's C-Minor Fantasy (K.475), and Brahms' three Rhapsodies.

Of the last, Harold C. Schonberg admired Chasins' emphasis on the purely pianistic, rather than the rugged aspects of the music.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Jared » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:13 pm

Matt... do you have the DG recordings of the two Piano Concertos by Emil Gilels with Jochum & Berlin? The 2nd disk contains the Fantasias op.116 Nos 1-7, which are beautifully played, and provide an excellent addendum to what must be some of the finest Brahms PC performances.. 8)

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Donald Isler » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:07 pm

Abram Chasins also recorded some Chopin, as well as Bach Two Piano Concertos and other two piano works with his wife (and student) Constance Keene.

I'm glad that Harold Schonberg admired his playing. I think they were otherwise not too fond of each other!
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Wallingford » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:05 pm

I was speaking simply of SOLO discs.....apart from several duo-piano discs he made with spouse Constance Keene, Chasins did only--perhaps--one or two commercial solo LPs.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by John F » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:15 pm

Abram Chasins was a Josef Hofmann pupil, and his "Speaking of Pianists" is full of interesting and entertaining observations and anecdotes about that extraordinary collection of piano giants living in the USA at the time. I can see why Schonberg would have shown some respect; he ought to.

That said, I've heard tell that in the Chopin recording, Chasins got some uncredited assistance with the heroic polonaise - Mrs. Chasins is said to have supplied the left-hand octaves in the middle section. Whether or not this is true, I wouldn't know how to find out.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Donald Isler » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:05 pm

Yes, they joked about her helping getting his octaves going, but they said in the take that was used he played them by himself!
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Bro » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:31 pm

I have some of the Brahms music played by Schnabel on an old Seraphim Lp. I like the Late Brahms piano pieces but I don't make the distinctions between early, middle, and late Brahms in terms of quality, let alone his chamber and big band works. I like the Op34 Quintet in F minor. The early youthful romantic Brahms of the First Symphony and D minor piano concerto are fine-O with me.

It's the Kempff recording that has made the biggest impression on me...


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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by John F » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:36 am

Donald Isler wrote:Yes, they joked about her helping getting his octaves going, but they said in the take that was used he played them by himself!
Ah so! Glad to have the straight story.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Wallingford » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:07 pm

One of my old teachers cropped up in my mind: DANIEL GRAHAM.

He did Op.116--backed with the Handel Variations--on the Vivace Classics label, VDR-1101. It's a pretty obscure recording, though, and perhaps its only release: when put out in 1980, most (all?) copies were littered with loud pops & even skips.....it's likely the label went belly-up from all the copies apparently returned! In fact, I had to undergo such an unpleasantry with MY first copy.

They're fine performances, however. Graham has a very natural romantic style, and David Hall (in Stereo Review) said the interpretations were creditable, stopping just short of the level of a Backhaus or a Fleisher (Graham's teacher).
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Wallingford » Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:57 pm

The rest of you might not be familiar with this pianist, but Lance & I do (right, Lance?!): the Latvian-born German pianist-composer, EDUARD ERDMANN.

He recorded the whole of Op.117 for HMV (Europe) in the 78 era, with Beethoven's Bagatelle, Op.126, #6 as filler.

He plays them as idiomatically as any central European could be expected to.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by gperkins151 » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:03 pm

I was just reading this old thread and wanted to ask those who recommend Kempff which Kempff they are referring to? The mono or stereo DG? Also, for those who have heard both, is there much difference between them?
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by ravel30 » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:46 pm

Wow! It is great to see that there was once a time when I was interested enough in CMG to start thread :lol: . Still love those
beautiful pieces by Brahms. There is a lot of amazing material from the old Brahms. The clarinet sonatas are a pure delight.

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Donald Isler » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:07 am

In all modesty (?) I think my recording of Op. 119 (on KASP Records) ain't bad.
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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by John F » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:30 am

gperkins151 wrote:I was just reading this old thread and wanted to ask those who recommend Kempff which Kempff they are referring to? The mono or stereo DG? Also, for those who have heard both, is there much difference between them?
Kempff's monaural recordings for Decca and stereo rerecordings for DG strike me differently. The DG versions seem rather dryer in interpretation and the sound of his piano. I've kept my old London LPs of the early 1950s, and when I want to listen to that music, it's those that I reach for. Here's a sample:

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Holden Fourth » Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:42 am

I have the Opp 116-117 from the 50s via the GPOTTC 2 disc set and can heartily concur with John F regarding these performances.

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Ted Quanrud » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:10 pm

Thanks, George, for resurrecting this thread -- it started and stopped before I joined CMG.

My intro to these wonderful pieces was the Mikhail Rudy (EMI), a young man playing an old man's music. They're still on my shelf, but little played. They were quickly displaced in my affection by Kempff's stereo version. Since then, Lupu, Kempff mono, Katchen, Kovecevich, Angelich and our own Donald Isler have been acquired and determined to be well worth keeping.

Two favorites that have gone unmentioned here are Kubalek on Dorian and Perahia's recent Sony CD.

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by IcedNote » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:18 pm

I love Brahms's miniatures, if I can call them that. :)

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by Sator » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:09 am

I can also highly recommend this recording by Zilberstein:

http://www.amazon.com/Brahms-Paganini-V ... 654&sr=8-2

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Re: Your thoughts on Brahms' Op. 116 to 119

Post by stickles » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:17 pm

As miniatures go, 119/3 is an absolute gem , it allways puts a smile on my face every time I listen to it.

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