Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

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Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by THEHORN » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:09 am

I just got an e mail from arkivmusic.com about the latest releases from the Dutch label Channel Classics.
One interesting CD is a recording of the Croatian pianist Dejan Lazic of his transcription of the Brahms violin concerto for piano ,with the pianist and Robert Spano and the Atlanta symphony. It's called the Brahms piano concerto no 3.
Lazic had wanted to make a transcription for a long time, and here is his recording of it. I wonder how well it works. This should be really interesting.




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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by John F » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:32 am

Completely needless and ill-advised. The concerto is as violinistic as Brahms and Joachim, who advised him, could possibly make it. Why Robert Spano lent his aid to this thing, I can't imagine. I'd say, save your money.
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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by Harold Tucker » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:12 am

I done ordered it ,John. Curiosity killed the Budget.

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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by Tiger » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:12 am

John F wrote:Completely needless and ill-advised. The concerto is as violinistic as Brahms and Joachim, who advised him, could possibly make it. Why Robert Spano lent his aid to this thing, I can't imagine. I'd say, save your money.
I have not heard this recording, but every review I've read has been very positive.

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Post by stenka razin » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:24 am

This subject was covered previously. The link is below, m8;s:


http://www.classicalmusicguide.com/view ... ejan+Lazic

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Post by Wallingford » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:48 am

I'd still like to hear that "Ragtime Symphony" he allegedly began work on...... 8)
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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by Lance » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:07 pm

Yeah, I fell for it, too. I love transcriptions even though this one is difficult to fathom. Look what they did for the Rach 5! :shock: Anyway, I while I agree with our illustrious John Francis, curiosity killed the cat (and the credit card). Very interesting that the famous Atlanta Symphony Orchestra (thanks to Robert Shaw) is recording for a Dutch company. I'm sure it was the same recording team that Telarc used, but we'll see.
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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by slofstra » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:11 pm

I'd like to make the same point as before that this should be called "Brahms Violin Concerto trans. for piano by Dejan Lazic". Labelling it as Brahms Piano Concerto No. 3 is a) deceptive and b) unfair to Brahms, since the entire exercise lies well outside his control.
Should we label the Beethoven symphony transcriptions by Liszt as Beethoven Piano Sonata 33, 34, etc?
Bad record company. Ten lashes of the wet noodle for Channel Classics.

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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by Tiger » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:29 pm

slofstra wrote:I'd like to make the same point as before that this should be called "Brahms Violin Concerto trans. for piano by Dejan Lazic". Labelling it as Brahms Piano Concerto No. 3 is a) deceptive and b) unfair to Brahms, since the entire exercise lies well outside his control.
Should we label the Beethoven symphony transcriptions by Liszt as Beethoven Piano Sonata 33, 34, etc?
Bad record company. Ten lashes of the wet noodle for Channel Classics.
I don't have any problem with the work's title - Piano Concerto No. 3 after the Violin Concerto, Op. 77.

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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by slofstra » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:23 pm

Tiger wrote:
slofstra wrote:I'd like to make the same point as before that this should be called "Brahms Violin Concerto trans. for piano by Dejan Lazic". Labelling it as Brahms Piano Concerto No. 3 is a) deceptive and b) unfair to Brahms, since the entire exercise lies well outside his control.
Should we label the Beethoven symphony transcriptions by Liszt as Beethoven Piano Sonata 33, 34, etc?
Bad record company. Ten lashes of the wet noodle for Channel Classics.
I don't have any problem with the work's title - Piano Concerto No. 3 after the Violin Concerto, Op. 77.
That is better, no question. Now just drop the "No. 3" and you're good. No need for it to be there. For example. Piano Concerto arranged after the Violin Concerto.

I checked the Rachmaninoff No. 5 and they name it like this: Piano Concerto "No. 5" arrangement of Symphony No. 2. The No. 5 is placed in quotes to show that it's a tongue-in-cheek name.

Not sure if there is a standard for this kind of thing.

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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by John F » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:04 pm

The title is beside the point. The whole idea is needless and ill-advised. (Didn't I just say that?)
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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by Tiger » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:30 pm

John F wrote:The title is beside the point. The whole idea is needless and ill-advised. (Didn't I just say that?)
Yes, you did already say that; once was enough.

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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by Chalkperson » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:58 pm

John F wrote:Completely needless and ill-advised. The concerto is as violinistic as Brahms and Joachim, who advised him, could possibly make it. Why Robert Spano lent his aid to this thing, I can't imagine. I'd say, save your money.
Of course, you are giving us your opinion based on the fact that you have heard this, and dislike it...
John F wrote:Actually no, I have not heard it, I just know that i'm always right about everything...
That's what I thought, I actually enjoyed it... :wink:
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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by Trilogy » Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:25 pm

THEHORN wrote:I just got an e mail from arkivmusic.com about the latest releases from the Dutch label Channel Classics.
One interesting CD is a recording of the Croatian pianist Dejan Lazic of his transcription of the Brahms violin concerto for piano ,with the pianist and Robert Spano and the Atlanta symphony. It's called the Brahms piano concerto no 3.
Lazic had wanted to make a transcription for a long time, and here is his recording of it. I wonder how well it works. This should be really interesting.




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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by Tiger » Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:52 pm

Chalkperson wrote:I actually enjoyed it... :wink:
Excellent. Finally, someone who has listened to the recording in question.
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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by slofstra » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:21 pm

Tiger wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:
John F wrote:Completely needless and ill-advised. The concerto is as violinistic as Brahms and Joachim, who advised him, could possibly make it. Why Robert Spano lent his aid to this thing, I can't imagine. I'd say, save your money.
Of course, you are giving us your opinion based on the fact that you have heard this, and dislike it...
John F wrote:Actually no, I have not heard it, I just know that i'm always right about everything...
That's what I thought, I actually enjoyed it... :wink:
Excellent. Finally, someone who has listened to the recording in question.
I'm not so sure why it's so important to listen in order to have an opinion. Quite a novel idea, that. :)

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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by John F » Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:19 am

Chalkperson wrote:
John F wrote:Completely needless and ill-advised. The concerto is as violinistic as Brahms and Joachim, who advised him, could possibly make it. Why Robert Spano lent his aid to this thing, I can't imagine. I'd say, save your money.
Of course, you are giving us your opinion based on the fact that you have heard this, and dislike it...
John F wrote:Actually no, I have not heard it, I just know that i'm always right about everything...
That's what I thought, I actually enjoyed it... :wink:
Chalkie, it's not funny to forge somebody's name to something they didn't say and would never say. Indeed it's much worse than not funny, though out of consideration for you I won't call it by its proper name. Please edit your message to remove it.

I'll also ask Tiger and slofstra, who quoted you, to edit their messages accordingly.
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Re: Brahms Piano Concerto No 3?

Post by maestrob » Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:31 am

Actually, the piano concerto transcribed from a violin concerto has been done before, by none other than Beethoven himself. It's his Op. 61a, and a very fine work it is:

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