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The most impressive Schumann sets in his honour ...

Post by Lance » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:36 am

Impressive in the sense of artists performing the repertoire, the diversity of the repertoire included (most did not include everything written by Schumann), and of course, the packaging or presentation.

Having watched all the labels come forth with their tribute to Robert Schumann on the 200th anniversary of his birth year, I must say that the Deutsche Grammophon takes top prize in its presentation, choice of performing artists, etc. EMI's was also noteworthy, but was not presented in one box making it convenient for those to acquire separate releases if one already owned previous releases. I was also impressed and happy to have Vladimir Ashkenazy's piano recordings issued in a superb, well-priced Decca box reissue. And, perhaps, surprisingly, was an outstanding set issued by Brilliant Classics of just the repertoire for piano. The only one I did not bother to acquire was the RCA, compliled from RCA Victor and Columbia/Sony masters, all in one very nicely designed package. In RCA's case, I already had original issues of nearly everything in that box.

Just wondering what your appraisal is now that everybody's issued whatever they intended to issue to commemorate the event. There are also a couple of outstanding historical issues of live performances in the wings.
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Post by Chalkperson » Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:24 am

I guess when it's 'your' site you can start yet another puff piece dedicated to one of music's most overrated Composers, he's so good that some people here have to resort to quoting musicologists and scholars to justify the existence of such an average composer...I can't wait for 12/31/2010 when the totally pointless celebration of such a lowly talent will finally be over.. :mrgreen:

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Post by Seán » Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:09 am

Chalkperson wrote:I guess when it's 'your' site you can start yet another puff piece dedicated to one of music's most overrated Composers, he's so good that some people here have to resort to quoting musicologists and scholars to justify the existence of such an average composer...I can't wait for 12/31/2010 when the totally pointless celebration of such a lowly talent will finally be over.. :mrgreen:
Dear oh dear Chalkie, you must have got out of the wrong side of the bed today. :shock: :lol: :wink:
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Post by John F » Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:23 am

Chalkperson wrote:he's so good that some people here have to resort to quoting musicologists and scholars to justify the existence of such an average composer
Not so, we've only to play his music.



About 1,700 people there who disagree with you, Chalkie. Their rapt silence speaks louder than words.
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Post by lennygoran » Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:18 am

>you can start yet another puff piece dedicated to one of music's most overrated Composers<

You can't be talking about Schumann, right? Regards, Len :)

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Post by Werner » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:49 am

Yet another statement of opinion, Chalkie - you earn points for consistency as well as for the generally high quality of your posts.

I this case, though, you'll have to admit that there's a very substantial - and certainly well qualified - body of opinion that sees it differently.

Enough said?
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Post by Jared » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:18 am

I remember a couple of months ago (Sept issue I think) the BBC Music Mag gave a half page comparative look at the DG and EMI offerings respectively for the 200th Anniversary boxsets. Whilst highly praising both, I think they came out (slightly) in favour of the DG 'Masterworks set, on account of the consistently high level of artists and performers DG have in their back catalogue (although they did say that the EMI set did have the Sawallisch symphonies...):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Schumann-Master ... 150&sr=1-2

although with the exception of a few newbies here, I can't imagine too many CMGers splashing out this hefty sum, when they possibly have over half the recordings, anyway... :?

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Post by Lance » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:13 pm

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Post by Chalkperson » Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:59 pm

Seán wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:I guess when it's 'your' site you can start yet another puff piece dedicated to one of music's most overrated Composers, he's so good that some people here have to resort to quoting musicologists and scholars to justify the existence of such an average composer...I can't wait for 12/31/2010 when the totally pointless celebration of such a lowly talent will finally be over.. :mrgreen:
Dear oh dear Chalkie, you must have got out of the wrong side of the bed today. :shock: :lol: :wink:
Actually I had not gone to bed, it was 3.30 in the morning... :wink:
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Post by Chalkperson » Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:49 pm

Unfortunately, there is a side to my personality that (like Schumann) shows the Madness of Welsh people, sometimes that seeps thru into my posts, I apologize most sincerely to all for my little outburst of that madness in the middle of last night...
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Post by Seán » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:02 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
Seán wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:I guess when it's 'your' site you can start yet another puff piece dedicated to one of music's most overrated Composers, he's so good that some people here have to resort to quoting musicologists and scholars to justify the existence of such an average composer...I can't wait for 12/31/2010 when the totally pointless celebration of such a lowly talent will finally be over.. :mrgreen:
Dear oh dear Chalkie, you must have got out of the wrong side of the bed today. :shock: :lol: :wink:
Actually I had not gone to bed, it was 3.30 in the morning... :wink:
Another night owl, so am I. :roll:
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Post by Werner » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:34 pm

Chalkie, I don't mean to pick a fight with your nightowl self, but I couldn't help thinking of you during Lance's broadcast this evening, as he presented Irmgard Seefried singing Schumann's cycle, "Frauenliebe und Leben," that set of eight songs depicting the heroine's path through life, starting with young romance, through married bliss, and ending in her mate's passing, as described by Lance in his introduction.


I didn't have the time to dig out the texts - which I have filed away on my only recording - by Lotte Lehmann with Bruno Walter at the piano. Thanks to Lance's commentary, I could do without the texts (must look them up, though), and the tragedy of her mate's death came out clearly ini the last song. And then the touch of genius: the postlude quoting the music of the young romance - a touching turn that I think is deeply affecting.
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Post by Chalkperson » Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:12 pm

Werner wrote:Chalkie, I don't mean to pick a fight with your nightowl self, but I couldn't help thinking of you during Lance's broadcast this evening, as he presented Irmgard Seefried singing Schumann's cycle, "Frauenliebe und Leben," that set of eight songs depicting the heroine's path through life, starting with young romance, through married bliss, and ending in her mate's passing, as described by Lance in his introduction.
My response was totally irrational and irresponsible, usually I catch myself doing crazy things in my moments of madness and delete them before embarrassing myself, this time I failed to do that and I regret it a great deal...my negative opinion of Schumann seems to spark off the madness and is sometimes difficult to control, which, given his mental problems is an unfortunate coincidence, I listen to Schumann's Lieder quite often, in fact I listened to his Spanische Liebeslieder Op. 138 last week, I will give Frauenliebe und Leben a spin tonight and hope that it has the desired effect of touching me the same way that it does for yourself and Lance...
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Post by Werner » Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:40 pm

As I think you know, Chalkie, you remain one of the most esteemed of the many fine CMGers. (You'll note that this represnts opinion represented as fact!)

Seriously, I appreciate your reply and will be very intrested how this particular cycle plays for you.
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Post by Seán » Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:01 pm

Werner wrote:As I think you know, Chalkie, you remain one of the most esteemed of the many fine CMGers. (You'll note that this represnts opinion represented as fact!)
I am in complete agreement. It is a real privilege and a pleasure to know you Chalkie.
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Post by Lance » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:54 pm

Ah yes, Chalkie is, really, a man with a soul for great music. Think how his entire life would change though if he would love Robert Schumann, Arthur Fiedler, Vladimir Horowitz, and Artur Rubinstein! I keep sending strong messages up to the ether to have that happen. Perhaps it will if we ALL do this!

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Post by Chalkperson » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:36 pm

Lance wrote:Ah yes, Chalkie is, really, a man with a soul for great music. Think how his entire life would change though if he would love Robert Schumann, Arthur Fiedler, Vladimir Horowitz, and Artur Rubinstein! I keep sending strong messages up to the ether to have that happen. Perhaps it will if we ALL do this!
I would say that the chances are slim with some of those examples, I tried Rubinstein's Chopin again recently, I bought the Mini LP Sleeve Box for 30 bucks, I made it thru the first five discs then went back to Moravec and others, there are small parts of Schumann that I like, but, it's really only the Concertos, about 25% of the Piano Music and almost all of the Lieder, Horowitz and Fiedler I have totally given up on...

However...

In the last three months I have developed a love for Sibelius's Symphonies, buying and listening to four Complete Sets, previously I only liked a couple of the Tone Poems, although I have always liked his works for Voice and Orchestra, including the Cantatas, also, Wagner has been on my Hit List, yep, I have been thru all of his Operas in chronological order, even listening to multiple versions of Parsival, Lohengren, Tannhauser and Gotterdammerung...i'm starting on a BluRay series of the Ring this week...

I'm also slowly appreciating those French Composers that I usually hate, i'm warming to Franck and Roussel and becoming more enthusiastic than normal over Debussy and Ravel...but don't let that fool you into thinking that I may one day enjoy Cortot...
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Post by Seán » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:53 am

Chalkperson wrote:In the last three months I have developed a love for Sibelius's Symphonies, buying and listening to four Complete Sets, previously I only liked a couple of the Tone Poems....
I'm glad to hear it. What sets of Sibelius have you got? I

I'm also slowly appreciating those French Composers that I usually hate, i'm warming to Franck and Roussel and becoming more enthusiastic than normal over Debussy and Ravel...but don't let that fool you into thinking that I may one day enjoy Cortot...
I think that Roussel is magnificent. I love all of Debussy's music particularly his piano pieces. I don't know Franck at all and rarely listen to Ravel. It's good to see that you are warming to your French cousins Chalkie. :wink:
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Post by Istvan » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:39 am

Schumann has a very special, perhaps unique quality, of making one feel he has written a composition just for you - he takes you into his confidence and then off into another world, and many of his works appeal to young children too.
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Post by Jack Kelso » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:54 am

Uh-huh....and now Sibelius and Roussel have sneaked into this Schumann thread.... :roll:

Gee---I guess I don't feel so bad now, eh......?! :lol:

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Post by Chalkperson » Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:24 pm

Jack Kelso wrote:Uh-huh....and now Sibelius and Roussel have sneaked into this Schumann thread.... :roll:

Gee---I guess I don't feel so bad now, eh......?! :lol:

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Except that, because it was a reply to Lance it is a one off comment about my likes and dislikes, you won't see me constantly adding Sibelius and Roussel to other Threads in the same manner that you do with Schumann... :wink:
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Post by Chalkperson » Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:31 pm

Seán wrote:I'm glad to hear it. What sets of Sibelius have you got?
Berglund, Ashkenazy, Blomstedt and Jansons...I already own some individual Symphonic recordings by Davis, Mravinsky, Karajan, Beecham, Bernstein and Vanska..I'm waiting for the Melodiya re-release of Rozhdestvensky's Complete Set...
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Post by Jack Kelso » Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:24 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
Jack Kelso wrote:Uh-huh....and now Sibelius and Roussel have sneaked into this Schumann thread.... :roll:

Gee---I guess I don't feel so bad now, eh......?! :lol:

Tschüß,
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Except that, because it was a reply to Lance it is a one off comment about my likes and dislikes, you won't see me constantly adding Sibelius and Roussel to other Threads in the same manner that you do with Schumann... :wink:
Now calm down, Chalkie :D ----we really enjoy your tempermental postings and ravings! That one about musicologists and scholars (supporting Schumann's greatness) was one of your best! :lol:

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