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We Can ALL AGREE On This

Post by Cosima___J » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:00 am

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/ ... tml?hpt=T2

No matter what political party you belong to, no matter what relgion or no religion you believe in, no matter your race, gender or age, this is a moment we all can enjoy and share in the happiness of the miners and their loved ones.

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Post by Werner » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:18 pm

You're so right, Cosima - it's one of the great stories of our time.
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Post by BWV 1080 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:36 pm

assuming they all paid their 35,000 peso rescue subscription fee...

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Post by Cosima___J » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:50 pm

Some didn't. I heard that's why 3 of the guys were left down there in the mine. :wink:

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Post by jbuck919 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:03 pm

BWV 1080 wrote:assuming they all paid their 35,000 peso rescue subscription fee...
Every civilized country in the world except the US recognizes the right to free rescue when trapped in a mine.

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Post by ch1525 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:23 pm

Cosima___J wrote:No matter what political party you belong to, no matter what relgion or no religion you believe in, no matter your race, gender or age, this is a moment we all can enjoy and share in the happiness of the miners and their loved ones.
I wouldn't be so sure, Cosima...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/matthew ... hilosophy/

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Post by Chalkperson » Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:51 pm

Absolutely, but, does it remind anyone else of Billy Wilder's superb film "Ace in the Hole" with Kirk Douglas... :wink:
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Post by Agnes Selby » Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:05 am

Cosima___J wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/ ... tml?hpt=T2

No matter what political party you belong to, no matter what relgion or no religion you believe in, no matter your race, gender or age, this is a moment we all can enjoy and share in the happiness of the miners and their loved ones.
Yes, I agree. We watched as each miner emerged to freedom and rejoyced for them
and their families.

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Post by jbuck919 » Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:47 am

ch1525 wrote:
Cosima___J wrote:No matter what political party you belong to, no matter what relgion or no religion you believe in, no matter your race, gender or age, this is a moment we all can enjoy and share in the happiness of the miners and their loved ones.
I wouldn't be so sure, Cosima...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/matthew ... hilosophy/
The author of that article wrote:In one of the most outrageous mischaracterizations of the tea party movement’s limited government mantra, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews and AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka speculate that if the trapped Chilean miners had followed the tea party’s “every man for himself” philosophy, there would be no survivors.
What a calumny. The Tea Party would allow small groups of people to band together for purposes of survival.

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Post by Cosima___J » Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:57 am

"Every Man For Himself" is definitely not the philosophy of the Tea Party. They have never said there should be no government or no organizations to help people in need. What the Tea Party wants, as I understand it, is to not have the government intruding ever more deeply into every aspect of our lives. How does that translate into not saving miners? How absurd --- but of course Chris Matthews and Richard Trumpke know that. It's just a couple of Dems going off.

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Post by BWV 1080 » Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:12 am

Capitalism Saved the Miners
The profit = innovation dynamic was everywhere at the mine rescue site.
By DANIEL HENNINGER

It needs to be said. The rescue of the Chilean miners is a smashing victory for free-market capitalism.

Amid the boundless human joy of the miners' liberation, it may seem churlish to make such a claim. It is churlish. These are churlish times, and the stakes are high.

In the United States, with 9.6% unemployment, a notably angry electorate will go to the polls shortly and dump one political party in favor of the other, on which no love is lost. The president of the U.S. is campaigning across the country making this statement at nearly every stop:

"The basic idea is that if we put our blind faith in the market and we let corporations do whatever they want and we leave everybody else to fend for themselves, then America somehow automatically is going to grow and prosper."

Uh, yeah. That's a caricature of the basic idea, but basically that's right. Ask the miners.

If those miners had been trapped a half-mile down like this 25 years ago anywhere on earth, they would be dead. What happened over the past 25 years that meant the difference between life and death for those men?

Short answer: the Center Rock drill bit.

This is the miracle bit that drilled down to the trapped miners. Center Rock Inc. is a private company in Berlin, Pa. It has 74 employees. The drill's rig came from Schramm Inc. in West Chester, Pa. Seeing the disaster, Center Rock's president, Brandon Fisher, called the Chileans to offer his drill. Chile accepted. The miners are alive.


Longer answer: The Center Rock drill, heretofore not featured on websites like Engadget or Gizmodo, is in fact a piece of tough technology developed by a small company in it for the money, for profit. That's why they innovated down-the-hole hammer drilling. If they make money, they can do more innovation.

This profit = innovation dynamic was everywhere at that Chilean mine. The high-strength cable winding around the big wheel atop that simple rig is from Germany. Japan supplied the super-flexible, fiber-optic communications cable that linked the miners to the world above.

A remarkable Sept. 30 story about all this by the Journal's Matt Moffett was a compendium of astonishing things that showed up in the Atacama Desert from the distant corners of capitalism.

Samsung of South Korea supplied a cellphone that has its own projector. Jeffrey Gabbay, the founder of Cupron Inc. in Richmond, Va., supplied socks made with copper fiber that consumed foot bacteria, and minimized odor and infection.

Chile's health minister, Jaime Manalich, said, "I never realized that kind of thing actually existed."


The profit = innovation dynamic was everywhere at the mine rescue site.

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That's right. In an open economy, you will never know what is out there on the leading developmental edge of this or that industry. But the reality behind the miracles is the same: Someone innovates something useful, makes money from it, and re-innovates, or someone else trumps their innovation. Most of the time, no one notices. All it does is create jobs, wealth and well-being. But without this system running in the background, without the year-over-year progress embedded in these capitalist innovations, those trapped miners would be dead.

Some will recoil at these triumphalist claims for free-market capitalism. Why make them now?

Here's why. When a catastrophe like this occurs—others that come to mind are the BP well blowout, Hurricane Katrina, various disasters in China—a government has all its chips pushed to the center of the table. Chile succeeds (it rebuilt after the February earthquake with phenomenal speed). China flounders. Two American administrations left the public agog as they stumbled through the mess.

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High-tech kept Chilean miners in touch with the surface.

Still, what the political class understands is that all such disasters wash away eventually, and that life in a developed nation reverts to a tolerable norm. If the Obama administration refuses to complete free-trade agreements with Colombia, South Korea and Panama, no big deal. It's only politics.

But that's not true. Getting a nation's economics right is more important than at any time since the end of World War II. Chile, Colombia, Peru and Brazil are pulling away from the rest of their hapless South American neighbors. China, India and others are simply copying or buying the West's accomplishments.

The U.S. has a government led by a mindset obsessed with 250K-a-year "millionaires" and given to mocking "our blind faith in the market." In a fast-moving world filled with nations intent on catching up with or passing us, this policy path is a waste of time.

The miners' rescue is a thrilling moment for Chile, an imprimatur on its rising status. But I'm thinking of that 74-person outfit in Berlin, Pa., whose high-tech drill bit opened the earth to free them. You know there are tens of thousands of stories like this in the U.S., as big as Google and small as Center Rock. I'm glad one of them helped save the Chileans. What's needed now is a new American economic model that lets our innovators rescue the rest of us.

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