Sarah Palin

BWV 1080 · Post by **BWV 1080** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:07 pm

Latest post on my wife's new literary site where she serves as editor:
http://www.theliteraryburlesque.com/

Sarah Palin
A Prose Poem By Kyle Hemmings

Sarah Palin, I want to believe in the limpet-shaped hedgemony of snails or what else is there to dream?

In our lives connected by so many chitinous ribbons, I once heard a snail sneeze then forget who it was. The sea was cold and Sarah Palin spoke in omniscient voice, in Roman disguises or a fire, appeared as an amalagram of back strokes across rough waters. Then the night sneezed. When the night sneezes, it turns to day. When the day holds its breath, it's time to elect Sarah Palin's most wistful reflections echoing within the conus of despair-to-being.

Once I was a boy. Once I closed my eyes and imagined the Redwoods of duplicit intent. That I needed to be saved was what I projected onto a crowd of hungary faces. Sarah Palin has memorized the ticks of modern psychology.

When Sarah Palin spoke at Pottsdam, she encouraged us to remove our turbinate or murex shells that made us allergic to allergy itself. She asked us to shape our hands into wine glasses and taste the imaginary tannins of our ubiquitous bonds. Many of us stood strong and fierce but remained fearful of crustacean theories and the small lives of rocks.

Sarah Palin reminds us how she was once very tiny in a forest of men. This was before Ben Franklin and the invention of wingless sex. A man with obscenely large hands gave her permission to believe. A tree fell not far from Sarah Palin's frostbitten toes.

Through the nomadic blare of HDTV eyes, Sarah Palin asks: Is there a constitution for unloved otters? Is there an amendment for monotoned hunters who shackle herbivores wearing pajamas of matching colors?

I wanted to believe in the urgency of everything. I wound up believing that Vasco de Gama and Captain Cook were the same small fry.

Once Sarah Palin stood before our homes. Once I spoke from a bipartisan house of infinity. I gave my soul to the talking whales.

When someone teaches you to breathe, you can then sing.

I once sang for Sarah Palin and she replied with astrea longing and rasping tongue. I remembered the drowning mothers underwater. In my head, I lashed out at the world with forsaken conveyor belts and fresh water schematics. I wanted to love the earth's fading blue eyes and lilting tongues. I wanted to believe in a month of yesterdays, of cruise ships never arriving. I wanted to love the child in Sarah Palin until I no longer strived for the namesake of identity.

When Sarah Palin warns us of the dangers of the New Science, our televisions will burst, our CYMK dreams exposed for what they really were, our daughters will step on the Rostellaria shells of a new fever. We will toss our bottles of existential antacids onto the shore of the outdated and the frugally faithless.

Cosima___J · Post by **Cosima___J** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:40 pm

Was this person drunk or what?

BWV 1080 · Post by **BWV 1080** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:44 pm

Cosima___J wrote:Was this person drunk or what?

its poetry

so the answer is probably yes

jbuck919 · Post by **jbuck919** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:30 pm

"Hedgemony" is probably a poetic coinage, but it is probably also the way Palin would spell "hegemony" based on the phonetics.

HoustonDavid · Post by **HoustonDavid** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:42 pm

As a writer, I just love the fantasy juxtaposition of interesting scenarios
in prose (even prosaic) poetic form. Thanks Steve, and thank your wife
for sharing.

Agnes Selby · Post by **Agnes Selby** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:51 pm

Cosima___J wrote:Was this person drunk or what?

I share your thought.

HoustonDavid · Post by **HoustonDavid** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:57 pm

Sounds more like the writer was using psychedelics, not alcohol. I don't do either
when I'm writing, but alcohol would only be a deterrent. Some people used to
claim psychedelics were an inspiration. Since I never used, I can't say.

living_stradivarius · Post by **living_stradivarius** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:26 am

jbuck919 wrote:"Hedgemony" is probably a poetic coinage, but it is probably also the way Palin would spell "hegemony" based on the phonetics.

I stopped reading after I saw that typo.

piston · Post by **piston** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:07 pm

Wouldn't it be something is she were the first female president of this country?! Not just the first female president but also the first genuine populist leader of this country, at least in the modern sense of populism!:

It is defined by the Cambridge dictionary as "political ideas and activities that are intended to represent ordinary people's needs and wishes".[8]. It can be understood as any political discourse that appeals to the general mass of the population, to the "people" as such, regardless of class distinctions and political partisanship - "a folksy appeal to the 'average guy' or some allegedly general will"

"I represent the people! People who disagree with me are against the people!! Ergo, nobody should disagree with me, ever!!!"

jbuck919 · Post by **jbuck919** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:13 pm

piston wrote:Wouldn't it be something is she were the first female president of this country?! Not just the first female president but also the first genuine populist leader of this country, at least in the modern sense of populism!:
It is defined by the Cambridge dictionary as "political ideas and activities that are intended to represent ordinary people's needs and wishes".[8]. It can be understood as any political discourse that appeals to the general mass of the population, to the "people" as such, regardless of class distinctions and political partisanship - "a folksy appeal to the 'average guy' or some allegedly general will"
"I represent the people! People who disagree with me are against the people!! Ergo, nobody should disagree with me, ever!!!"

More like this:

demagoguery: The pursuit of political power through impassioned appeals to the prejudices and emotions of the populace.

And if Palin were elected, she would set women's equality back almost to suffrage by making it impossible to avoid reverting to terms like "ditz," "airhead," and "dumb brunette."

josé echenique · Post by **josé echenique** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:41 pm

It would be nice to have a female president who actually knows who Rodríguez Zapatero is.

Agnes Selby · Post by **Agnes Selby** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:30 pm

Please read:

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/boo ... 17uvt.html

Cosima___J · Post by **Cosima___J** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:19 pm

Mark Harwood · Post by **Mark Harwood** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:59 am

Here we go again.
It's like when people criticise WWF for its staged bouts, saying it's "not real wrestling". Of course it's not! It's pure entertainment, based on a wrestling theme. In the same way, folks gravely state that Sarah Palin's not a substantial politician. Why should she be? She's a comedy act! And I like her.
Surely you Americans won't appoint an entertainer to high office?

John F · Post by **John F** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:04 am

Mark Harwood wrote:Surely you Americans won't appoint an entertainer to high office?

jbuck919 · Post by **jbuck919** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:23 am

John F wrote:
Mark Harwood wrote:Surely you Americans won't appoint an entertainer to high office?

However, evidence that I am not making up the analogy with Ronald Reagan. Which gives me an excuse to make the following observation: It seems that the Republican Party is at present looking much more favorably on Palin than the population as a whole. I attribute this to her sharing the quality with Reagan that a leader need have no special ability as long as he or she can galvanize a bunch of people who are itching to get into power in order to advance a rightist theology/fantasy.

Agnes Selby · Post by **Agnes Selby** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:05 pm

Gentlemen!

Had I known the Sydney Morning Herald's article would upset you,
I would not have posted it. But then, it is just a word put into common
usage, it is not the Nobel Prize.

Daisy · Post by **Daisy** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:38 pm

I remain amazed at how Democrats and other Liberal Lefties really hate this lady. They have real grounds for it, except she annoys them since she's a conservative woman who does and has successfully done, all those things that Liberal feminists say are the signs of a liberated woman. But...oh yeah. She's happily married, has a big house and lots of kids, and she didn't abort the youngest child. Whoops! Can't have that, can we?

Oh, you Liberal hypocrits make me so sick.

piston · Post by **piston** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:51 pm

I can't refudiate any of the above, not right now anyway, 'cause my patatoes are boiling....

jbuck919 · Post by **jbuck919** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:41 pm

Daisy wrote:I remain amazed at how Democrats and other Liberal Lefties really hate this lady. They have real grounds for it....

Indeed we do.

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:52 pm

>I remain amazed at how Democrats and other Liberal Lefties really hate this lady. They have real grounds for it<

You're right there--well I'm a moderate Republican and even I have grounds for if not hating her at least being completely opposed to her becoming President! Regards, Len

Agnes Selby · Post by **Agnes Selby** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:26 pm

lennygoran wrote:>I remain amazed at how Democrats and other Liberal Lefties really hate this lady. They have real grounds for it<

You're right there--well I'm a moderate Republican and even I have grounds for if not hating her at least being completely opposed to her becoming President! Regards, Len

I have known Daisy for years. She is a Republican. The sentence, I am sure,
should read: "They have NO real grounds for it". I agree with the insertion
of NO. Palin is not running for President and the hatred on display
seems rather senseless to someone like myself who lives in a more civil and
peaceful society.

piston · Post by **piston** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:33 pm

And to reply to the conservative women solidarity statement above, Palin has positioned herself to be the symbolic leader of the Tea Party. Everybody admits that much. Is this person (no gender reference) intelligent? No. Does this person (no gender reference) offer realistic solutions (other than "Let's shut it down!!! Let's shut it all down!!!). No. Does this person (no gender reference) serves as an intellectual role model for the new generation of Americans? An unqualified "NO."

Assessing a person's capacity to lead does not have to be assessed in gender terms. This "person" is posturing for leadership and ain't my concept of a leader.

Twist and turn as much as you want....

Agnes Selby · Post by **Agnes Selby** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:54 pm

piston wrote:And to reply to the conservative women solidarity statement above, Palin has positioned herself to be the symbolic leader of the Tea Party. Everybody admits that much. Is this person (no gender reference) intelligent? No. Does this person (no gender reference) offer realistic solutions (other than "Let's shut it down!!! Let's shut it all down!!!). No. Does this person (no gender reference) serves as an intellectual role model for the new generation of Americans? An unqualified "NO."

Assessing a person's capacity to lead does not have to be assessed in gender terms. This "person" is posturing for leadership and ain't my concept of a leader.

Twist and turn as much as you want....

All I did was correct Daisy's note. I know she did not mean what appeared
on the board. There is no need to pounce on Daisy for making a mistake.

So, please keep in mind when you decide to pounce on me, I am an Australian
who truly does not care how you insult your leaders be they Republicans or
Democrats. However, I must admit that it appears to me most uncivil and
senseless.

HoustonDavid · Post by **HoustonDavid** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:28 am

I don't see anybody pouncing on Daisy, just Sarah Palin, who seems to be running
for POTUS, at least at this point. What many of us here believe (and I think around
the country, at least according to the polls) is that she is completely unqualified to be
President. Granted that the intellectually more qualified President we have isn't doing
such a good job, and the "unqualified" actor Ronald Reagan didn't do such a bad job,
but at least he had a primary language, and certainly had the skills to read what his
speech writers prepared. Obama doesn't speak very well extemporaneously, hence
the teleprompters, but Palin doesn't speak well enough to use the English language
properly. Of course, her newest miscue "refudiate" is about to be added to the Dictionary,
which will probably result in more "impromptu" miscues for us to suffer in the future.

living_stradivarius · Post by **living_stradivarius** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:33 am

jbuck919 wrote:
John F wrote:
Mark Harwood wrote:Surely you Americans won't appoint an entertainer to high office?

However, evidence that I am not making up the analogy with Ronald Reagan. Which gives me an excuse to make the following observation: It seems that the Republican Party is at present looking much more favorably on Palin than the population as a whole. I attribute this to her sharing the quality with Reagan that a leader need have no special ability as long as he or she can galvanize a bunch of people who are itching to get into power in order to advance a rightist theology/fantasy.

at least reagan had a sense of humor and didn't refudiate his opponents

having boobs just doesn't cut it, they at least have to be on par with marilyn's (see other thread)

Daisy wrote:...all those things that Liberal feminists say are the signs of a liberated woman

like...?

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:58 am

>I have known Daisy for years. She is a Republican. The sentence, I am sure, should read: "They have NO real grounds for it".<

Iknow, I know! But I couldn't resist taking advantage of her slip up!

> Palin is not running for President<

You could have fooled me.

> and the hatred on display seems rather senseless<

Well I have no hatred for her--now McCain--that's another matter! Regards, Len

Agnes Selby · Post by **Agnes Selby** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:54 pm

lennygoran wrote:>I have known Daisy for years. She is a Republican. The sentence, I am sure, should read: "They have NO real grounds for it".<

Iknow, I know! But I couldn't resist taking advantage of her slip up!

> Palin is not running for President<

You could have fooled me.

> and the hatred on display seems rather senseless<

Well I have no hatred for her--now McCain--that's another matter! Regards, Len

Well, Lenny, you should come to Australia. We leave the hating and fighting to the
Members of Parliament. In the meantime, we are enjoying the summer.
We get even with the "buggers" at the ballot box.

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:11 pm

>Well, Lenny, you should come to Australia.<

That's a place we've really wanted to visit--Sydney--of course that opera house--all the great restaurants--unfortunately once in Sydney you want to go elsewhere--we as gardeners can't miss the garden city of Melbourne--then there's the reef--it's just too much money for us to spend--even Europe costs too much. Well we'll just have to settle for trips like the one coming up tomorrow to Washington. And our little forays to Manhattan hotels when we can find a good deal. Regards, Len

Agnes Selby · Post by **Agnes Selby** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:33 pm

lennygoran wrote:>Well, Lenny, you should come to Australia.<

That's a place we've really wanted to visit--Sydney--of course that opera house--all the great restaurants--unfortunately once in Sydney you want to go elsewhere--we as gardeners can't miss the garden city of Melbourne--then there's the reef--it's just too much money for us to spend--even Europe costs too much. Well we'll just have to settle for trips like the one coming up tomorrow to Washington. And our little forays to Manhattan hotels when we can find a good deal. Regards, Len

You have settled for very nice outings.

Regards,
Agnes.

piston · Post by **piston** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:41 pm

Please watch the very short video clip:
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/11/17 ... eat-obama/

Barry · Post by **Barry** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:59 pm

piston wrote:Please watch the very short video clip:
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/11/17 ... eat-obama/

I don't think she can win (she's extremely unpopular beyond her base and that's not nearly enough to get her elected). But what is she supposed to say when she's asked that question? If she's really considering a run, it would be pretty silly of her to come out and say she doesn't think she has a chance to win.

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:04 pm

>You have settled for very nice outings. <

Not good enough! Regards, Len [grumble]

piston · Post by **piston** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:27 pm

I don't think she can win (she's extremely unpopular beyond her base and that's not nearly enough to get her elected). But what is she supposed to say when she's asked that question? If she's really considering a run, it would be pretty silly of her to come out and say she doesn't think she has a chance to win.

Especially given the fact that she quit her governor job for "family reasons." I would think that the most rational answer would be: "If I had to quit being the governor of Alaska for family reasons surely you don't expect me to run for president!"

I personally think that the "family" card is yet more posturing. My guess is that she's seeing the poll results and she is faced with the reality that she doesn't have support from any Democrat and from most Independents. "Family" is sooo convenient, ain't it?

Cyril Ignatius · Post by **Cyril Ignatius** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:47 pm

Isn't it funny how Sarah Palin burns so much brighter than all those brainy critics who constantly remind us what a dim light she is??!!

HoustonDavid · Post by **HoustonDavid** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:54 pm

Which ain't the same thing as saying that she is a "bright" light, at least in ways
that matter when it comes to being the POTUS.

Cyril Ignatius · Post by **Cyril Ignatius** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:51 pm

HoustonDavid wrote:Which ain't the same thing as saying that she is a "bright" light, at least in ways
that matter when it comes to being the POTUS.

I agree with you, David. I don't understand what the word POTUS means here, but I get your basic point, and it's true. It seems to me that most of what just happened politically wasn't driven by some sungular leader who rose to the occasion. It was a very strong rebuke of the policies of Obama, but that's the main thing. It isn't like the public suddenly loves Republicans. They don't. There was alot of effective work by the Tea Party organizer; effective enough to be the envy of any political organizer. But there is no figure I can identify on the scene, who seems poised to take the nation back, so to speak. I like Sarah Palin very much. Her heart seems to be in the right place. But I don't think she is that leader. I think she may serve best just being a spiritual leader of the Tea Party movement.

Daisy · Post by **Daisy** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:58 pm

jbuck919 wrote:
Daisy wrote:I remain amazed at how Democrats and other Liberal Lefties really hate this lady. They have real grounds for it....
Indeed we do.

Amere typo. Obviously I meant "NO real grounds..." No forgiveness for conservative typos, natch!

jbuck919 · Post by **jbuck919** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:03 pm

Daisy wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:
Daisy wrote:I remain amazed at how Democrats and other Liberal Lefties really hate this lady. They have real grounds for it....
Indeed we do.

Amere typo. Obviously I meant "NO real grounds..." No forgiveness for conservative typos, natch!

Au contraire: That was one I was more than willing to forgive.

Daisy · Post by **Daisy** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:05 pm

piston wrote:And to reply to the conservative women solidarity statement above, Palin has positioned herself to be the symbolic leader of the Tea Party. Everybody admits that much. Is this person (no gender reference) intelligent? No. Does this person (no gender reference) offer realistic solutions (other than "Let's shut it down!!! Let's shut it all down!!!). No. Does this person (no gender reference) serves as an intellectual role model for the new generation of Americans? An unqualified "NO."

Assessing a person's capacity to lead does not have to be assessed in gender terms. This "person" is posturing for leadership and ain't my concept of a leader.

Twist and turn as much as you want....

No twisting or turning. She's not even my possible candidate of choice. However, why do Liberals - especially Liberal women, go after public conservative women so viciously? Got jealousy issues? She's pretty, she's successful...hey, why not? High school mean girls never do grow up.

Daisy · Post by **Daisy** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:09 pm

HoustonDavid wrote:I don't see anybody pouncing on Daisy, just Sarah Palin, who seems to be running
for POTUS, at least at this point. What many of us here believe (and I think around
the country, at least according to the polls) is that she is completely unqualified to be
President. Granted that the intellectually more qualified President we have isn't doing
such a good job, and the "unqualified" actor Ronald Reagan didn't do such a bad job,
but at least he had a primary language, and certainly had the skills to read what his
speech writers prepared. Obama doesn't speak very well extemporaneously, hence
the teleprompters, but Palin doesn't speak well enough to use the English language
properly. Of course, her newest miscue "refudiate" is about to be added to the Dictionary,
which will probably result in more "impromptu" miscues for us to suffer in the future.

And what makes some people think Obama is intellectually superior, I ask sincerely. He reads from a teleprompter, and bungles everything. You can talk big, but it is meaningless. I agree with you. The guy everyone thinks is so smart is a lousy president, and too many who've been called "stupid" have turned out to be pretty good.

Daisy · Post by **Daisy** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:19 pm

Daisy wrote:...all those things that Liberal feminists say are the signs of a liberated woman

like...?[/quote]

Oh well, things I can remember feminists advocating - like being able to run a household, hold down positions of responsibility, get out in the outdoors and do the same activities men can do, stuff like that. Don't get me wrong. I am not personally enamored with most "supermom's" because most of them are trying to prove something. And maybe so is Sarah Palin. But she's also got a lot of leadership qualities you don't often see - and for that, she deserves our respect. Yours as well as mine.

Mt favorite was always Rudy Giuliani, but he's notr running for anything. I'm rather rooting for Huckabee again.

Daisy · Post by **Daisy** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:22 pm

Cyril Ignatius wrote:Isn't it funny how Sarah Palin burns so much brighter than all those brainy critics who constantly remind us what a dim light she is??!!

That's the way it ALWAYS is, haven't you noticed? They can't imagine any conservative being intelligent - you know, like such brainy Liberals as Gore or Biden...

Daisy · Post by **Daisy** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:26 pm

...I don't understand what the word POTUS means here...

It stands for President Of The United States.

Agnes Selby · Post by **Agnes Selby** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:27 pm

Daisy wrote:
piston wrote:And to reply to the conservative women solidarity statement above, Palin has positioned herself to be the symbolic leader of the Tea Party. Everybody admits that much. Is this person (no gender reference) intelligent? No. Does this person (no gender reference) offer realistic solutions (other than "Let's shut it down!!! Let's shut it all down!!!). No. Does this person (no gender reference) serves as an intellectual role model for the new generation of Americans? An unqualified "NO."

Assessing a person's capacity to lead does not have to be assessed in gender terms. This "person" is posturing for leadership and ain't my concept of a leader.

Twist and turn as much as you want....

No twisting or turning. She's not even my possible candidate of choice. However, why do Liberals - especially Liberal women, go after public conservative women so viciously? Got jealousy issues? She's pretty, she's successful...hey, why not? High school mean girls never do grow up.

You are right, the bitching continues. It will be an interesting two years to follow
from a distance. The constant obsession with elections amazes me and what nastiness
it brings out in people. I would like to mention here that our State elections are
in March. I am yet to hear a single word about it from either Labor or Liberals. I must
admit, I am eternally grateful for the silence. About 4 - 6 weeks is plenty to listen
to "promises"! Australians are certainly not as passionate about their candidates
as are Americans. Anyone electioneering in Germany to be our Prime Minister
would become a joke in Australia.

Cyril Ignatius · Post by **Cyril Ignatius** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:51 pm

Daisy wrote:
Cyril Ignatius wrote:Isn't it funny how Sarah Palin burns so much brighter than all those brainy critics who constantly remind us what a dim light she is??!!

That's the way it ALWAYS is, haven't you noticed? They can't imagine any conservative being intelligent - you know, like such brainy Liberals as Gore or Biden...

True enough Add Gore and Biden together, and throw in Pelosi and Reid, and then add Barney Frank, and you still don't have enough collective I.Q. points to equal one Bill Buckley.

Jean · Post by **Jean** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:37 pm

Daisy wrote:
Cyril Ignatius wrote:Isn't it funny how Sarah Palin burns so much brighter than all those brainy critics who constantly remind us what a dim light she is??!!

That's the way it ALWAYS is, haven't you noticed? They can't imagine any conservative being intelligent - you know, like such brainy Liberals as Gore or Biden...

I find it astounding that anyone could reasonably imply that Sarah Palin is intelligent. If she is, she has managed to keep it well hidden. I don't "hate" her, but I have little respect for her. Also, it is quite different for a woman to be conservative and acknowledge that it is a personal choice and others have the equal right to make other choices, and for a conservative woman (like so many conservatives) to say their way is the only right way.

This is at the heart fo what angers me so about anti-abortion supporters. They insist their choice is the only choice. Where as "right to choose" advocates say only that each individual is entitled to make her own decision. There is no such thing as abortion advocates.

piston · Post by **piston** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:10 pm

The ultimate irony, for me, is how the party that's been so consistently the mouthpiece for the most powerful and the most wealthy --that fraction of one percent which owns or controls such a vast proportion of this country's assets-- successfully projects itself as the party of the people, of the mass of the population. There's a parallel here with the way southern politicians engaged in Black American demonization to rally the white populace behind them.

There's no doubt about it, it's not only theater, it's deception on a national scale.

What I worry about is that some of those who are most successful in staging this masquarade might actually believe in their own deception. Palin qualifies.

Barry · Post by **Barry** » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:59 pm

Jean wrote:I find it astounding that anyone could reasonably imply that Sarah Palin is intelligent. If she is, she has managed to keep it well hidden. I don't "hate" her, but I have little respect for her. Also, it is quite different for a woman to be conservative and acknowledge that it is a personal choice and others have the equal right to make other choices, and for a conservative woman (like so many conservatives) to say their way is the only right way.

This is at the heart fo what angers me so about anti-abortion supporters. They insist their choice is the only choice. Where as "right to choose" advocates say only that each individual is entitled to make her own decision. There is no such thing as abortion advocates.

Two things ... first, virtually all of my personal experiences in recent years have shown me that liberals are no more open-minded when it comes to the opinions of non-liberals than conservatives are with the opinions of non-conservatives.

And two, if you believe a fetus is an innocent life, then the next logical step is the belief that we shouldn't have a legal right to take that life absent extreme circumstances any more than people should have the right to choose to murder someone who is already born. My own view isn't that extreme (I am okay with legal abortion until the fetus is viable and under certain extreme situations after viability has been reached), but I can certainly understand how someone who believes strongly that life begins at conception and that all life is precious would feel that way. As long as they don't break any laws in expressing their views, they have my respect.

piston · Post by **piston** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:35 am

Agnes Selby wrote:
Daisy wrote:
piston wrote:And to reply to the conservative women solidarity statement above, Palin has positioned herself to be the symbolic leader of the Tea Party. Everybody admits that much. Is this person (no gender reference) intelligent? No. Does this person (no gender reference) offer realistic solutions (other than "Let's shut it down!!! Let's shut it all down!!!). No. Does this person (no gender reference) serves as an intellectual role model for the new generation of Americans? An unqualified "NO."

Assessing a person's capacity to lead does not have to be assessed in gender terms. This "person" is posturing for leadership and ain't my concept of a leader.

Twist and turn as much as you want....

No twisting or turning. She's not even my possible candidate of choice. However, why do Liberals - especially Liberal women, go after public conservative women so viciously? Got jealousy issues? She's pretty, she's successful...hey, why not? High school mean girls never do grow up.
You are right, the bitching continues. It will be an interesting two years to follow
from a distance. The constant obsession with elections amazes me and what nastiness
it brings out in people. I would like to mention here that our State elections are
in March. I am yet to hear a single word about it from either Labor or Liberals. I must
admit, I am eternally grateful for the silence. About 4 - 6 weeks is plenty to listen
to "promises"! Australians are certainly not as passionate about their candidates
as are Americans. Anyone electioneering in Germany to be our Prime Minister
would become a joke in Australia.

I don't know what to think about your positioning yourself on such high moral grounds, Agnes. I do recall that you had nothing nice to say about Mr. Gore when he visited your country. The comments were rather vitriolic.

I will persist with the notion that people here are experts in playing the double standards game.

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