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The kernel for the idea of this thread came from me wondering how Darren and my respective 'development' into the wonderful world of CM might compare and contrast, in terms of the repertoire we had been listening to (an idea which seems to have sparked some interest in Fergus, also.. ).
So, the idea is that maybe all of us could share our learning together. Between now and the end of the month, can all of us think of (up to) 15 pieces of Classical repertoire which we don't presently own, to pledge to investigate during 2011? The list should comprise Orchestral (x3), Chamber (x3), Instrumental (x3) Choral/ Opera (x3) and Vocal (x3) and should include at least one Renaissance/ Early Music piece and at least one piece written post WWII
I appreciate that this thread will immediately appear to be far more relevant to some of us novices than our resident experts, however I would like everyone to take part, as far as would be possible... (c'mon Lance... even you can't own EVERY obscure Handel opera, or work by Stockhausen, can you? ).
Being the resident Newbie, I'm already highly embarrassed to put up my 15, being as they are staple repertoire which I still haven't explored, but my pledge will be to have become conversant with them all by the end of next year... I just think it would be fun if we did it together, and used this thread as a common reference point, 'ticking off' and making notes about our feelings for each piece, as we went along...
what say you, people?
So, the idea is that maybe all of us could share our learning together. Between now and the end of the month, can all of us think of (up to) 15 pieces of Classical repertoire which we don't presently own, to pledge to investigate during 2011? The list should comprise Orchestral (x3), Chamber (x3), Instrumental (x3) Choral/ Opera (x3) and Vocal (x3) and should include at least one Renaissance/ Early Music piece and at least one piece written post WWII
I appreciate that this thread will immediately appear to be far more relevant to some of us novices than our resident experts, however I would like everyone to take part, as far as would be possible... (c'mon Lance... even you can't own EVERY obscure Handel opera, or work by Stockhausen, can you? ).
Being the resident Newbie, I'm already highly embarrassed to put up my 15, being as they are staple repertoire which I still haven't explored, but my pledge will be to have become conversant with them all by the end of next year... I just think it would be fun if we did it together, and used this thread as a common reference point, 'ticking off' and making notes about our feelings for each piece, as we went along...
what say you, people?
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Jared's Pledge:
Orchestral:
Haydn: Symphonies 82-92
Suk: Azrael Symphony
Nielsen: Concertos & Overtures
Chamber:
Schubert: String Trios
Brahms: String & Piano Quartets
Beethoven: String Trios
Instrumental:
Mendelssohn: Songs Without Words
Schubert: Piano Sonatas
Scarlatti: Hapsichord Sonatas
Choral/ Opera:
Britten: War Requiem
Byrd: Mass for 4 & 5 Voices
Berlioz: Requiem
Vocal:
Schubert: Winterreisse
Mahler: Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen & Early Works
Various: English Folksong Repertoire
Orchestral:
Haydn: Symphonies 82-92
Suk: Azrael Symphony
Nielsen: Concertos & Overtures
Chamber:
Schubert: String Trios
Brahms: String & Piano Quartets
Beethoven: String Trios
Instrumental:
Mendelssohn: Songs Without Words
Schubert: Piano Sonatas
Scarlatti: Hapsichord Sonatas
Choral/ Opera:
Britten: War Requiem
Byrd: Mass for 4 & 5 Voices
Berlioz: Requiem
Vocal:
Schubert: Winterreisse
Mahler: Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen & Early Works
Various: English Folksong Repertoire
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I tend to do this myself every year Jared. In 2010 I promised myself to explore the organ music of JS Bach (and area that I had not delved into in any great depth before) and I subsequently followed that up with Buxtehude's organ works. Both ventures led to their own rewards. I have not given any thought yet to any "projects" for 2011 but when I do come up with something I surely will let you know
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Darren's Pledge
Chamber:
Beethoven's piano trios
Continue to work through Haydn's string quartets and piano trios
Grieg's violin sonatas
Instrumental:
Liszt's piano works
Develop deeper understanding of Bach's cello suites
Bach's organ works
Choral/Opera:
Handel's operas and oratorios
Wagner's 'Lohengrin', 'Die Meistersingers' and 'Parsifal'
Elgar's 'Dream of Gerontius'
Vocal:
Schubert's lieder
Schumann's lieder
Wolf's lieder
I have omitted orchestral works, because I focussed far too much on them at the initial stages of my CM journey
Some of the other areas are works in progress - but lieder is completely new to me so I guess I would prioritise that area over the next year or so
Chamber:
Beethoven's piano trios
Continue to work through Haydn's string quartets and piano trios
Grieg's violin sonatas
Instrumental:
Liszt's piano works
Develop deeper understanding of Bach's cello suites
Bach's organ works
Choral/Opera:
Handel's operas and oratorios
Wagner's 'Lohengrin', 'Die Meistersingers' and 'Parsifal'
Elgar's 'Dream of Gerontius'
Vocal:
Schubert's lieder
Schumann's lieder
Wolf's lieder
I have omitted orchestral works, because I focussed far too much on them at the initial stages of my CM journey
Some of the other areas are works in progress - but lieder is completely new to me so I guess I would prioritise that area over the next year or so
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^^ thanks for the great list Darren...
maybe under Orchestral, you could include a Baroque & Renaissance works, instead?
maybe under Orchestral, you could include a Baroque & Renaissance works, instead?
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This is building up nicely guys....some very interesting projects in there. I do very much agree that the world of chamber music is often ignored too much as it has wonderful gems to offer
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Orchestral:
Boris Tischenko's symphonies, including his five "Dante" symphonies.(Northern Flowers)
Chamber:
Boris Tchaikovsky's complete string quartets. (Northern Flowers)
Opera:
M. Weinberg's "The Passenger / Die Passagierin" (Пассажирка – Passazhirka) which was finally performed and recorded at the Bregenz Festival in July 31.
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Boris Tischenko's symphonies, including his five "Dante" symphonies.(Northern Flowers)
Chamber:
Boris Tchaikovsky's complete string quartets. (Northern Flowers)
Opera:
M. Weinberg's "The Passenger / Die Passagierin" (Пассажирка – Passazhirka) which was finally performed and recorded at the Bregenz Festival in July 31.
Neos Blu-ray and DVD
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That's for the following year JaredJared wrote:^^ thanks for the great list Darren...
maybe under Orchestral, you could include a Baroque & Renaissance works, instead?
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My reaction to Jared's and Darren's list is: Where's the 20th/21st Century?
As for a 2011 list for me, it's a No-Can-Do. I buy items on my two page wish-list when they become reasonably priced. That means I never know what exactly I will be acquiring.
As for a 2011 list for me, it's a No-Can-Do. I buy items on my two page wish-list when they become reasonably priced. That means I never know what exactly I will be acquiring.
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Britten: War Requiem (1961)..johnQpublic wrote:My reaction to Jared's and Darren's list is: Where's the 20th/21st Century?
aww... c'mon John, there must be a few pieces which you aspire to hear in 2011...
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Fergus wrote:This is building up nicely guys....some very interesting projects in there. I do very much agree that the world of chamber music is often ignored too much as it has wonderful gems to offer
never mind the idle flattery Fergus... let's see the colour of your money...
(I'd ask to see the colour of Sean's money too, but he's just paid his 'Amazon' bill... )
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It's on the agenda for 2013 JohnjohnQpublic wrote:My reaction to Jared's and Darren's list is: Where's the 20th/21st Century?
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2013? Are you always that slow Darren?
Yeah, Jared I did see the War Requiem and that's a dandy work that is a must hear.
Aspiring to hear? Yeah I hope to hear some works of Kaipainen, Taneyev, Vogler, Hoffmeister, Grisey, Roslavets and Dalbavie. But only when their prices are attractive!
Yeah, Jared I did see the War Requiem and that's a dandy work that is a must hear.
Aspiring to hear? Yeah I hope to hear some works of Kaipainen, Taneyev, Vogler, Hoffmeister, Grisey, Roslavets and Dalbavie. But only when their prices are attractive!
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Oops…planned listening? But these best intentions can be cast aside by some unexpected encounter with music that leads down a different avenue. I wasn’t sure what you meant by investigate but hope you allow a particular repertoire or composer rather than isolated works.
Three composers I intend to pursue in the near future are William Schuman, Vincent Persichetti and Paul Ben-Haim. Trouble is, recordings of their individual works aren’t abundant so exploration=comparison is usually out.
Paul Ben-Haim’s Symphony 1 is apparently due for release by CPO.
For post-WW2 "serial" composers, it’ll be George Crumb whose acquaintance I made recently through his Variazioni
For Renaissance, I might try to explore the evolution of Allegri’s Miserere. The version usually performed is an elaboration of the original.
Let’s see how it all goes.
Three composers I intend to pursue in the near future are William Schuman, Vincent Persichetti and Paul Ben-Haim. Trouble is, recordings of their individual works aren’t abundant so exploration=comparison is usually out.
Paul Ben-Haim’s Symphony 1 is apparently due for release by CPO.
For post-WW2 "serial" composers, it’ll be George Crumb whose acquaintance I made recently through his Variazioni
For Renaissance, I might try to explore the evolution of Allegri’s Miserere. The version usually performed is an elaboration of the original.
Let’s see how it all goes.
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Absinthe:
Naxos has recently (?) packaged W. Schuman's complete symphonies (excluding 1 and 2, as always) with the Seattle Orchestra in a five-CD boxset. In addition to the eight published symphonies, the set also includes , Judith (a 22:22 choreographic poem), Orchestra Song, Circus Overture, New England Triptych, Night Journey (a 25:28 piece), and Schuman's arrangement of Ives' Variations on "America."
Naxos has recently (?) packaged W. Schuman's complete symphonies (excluding 1 and 2, as always) with the Seattle Orchestra in a five-CD boxset. In addition to the eight published symphonies, the set also includes , Judith (a 22:22 choreographic poem), Orchestra Song, Circus Overture, New England Triptych, Night Journey (a 25:28 piece), and Schuman's arrangement of Ives' Variations on "America."
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Good idea Jared, though since I'm buying CDs all the time, of stuff I've never heard before, I hardly have any reason to make any pledges. It would be like an alcoholic pledging to drink more in 2011! (My CD buying is not a disease, though, I deny that!)
Anyway, all I wanted to say, besides "Good idea" was that you've left off electronics. Sure, that's only a little over sixty years worth,* but drop out sixty years around the late 1700s/early 1800s and you've basically dropped the entire period now referred to as "the classical era." That would be silly! And I think it also silly to leave electronics out of a pledge that explicitly mentions post World War II.
*If you leave off Trautoniums and theremins and Ondes martinots.
Anyway, all I wanted to say, besides "Good idea" was that you've left off electronics. Sure, that's only a little over sixty years worth,* but drop out sixty years around the late 1700s/early 1800s and you've basically dropped the entire period now referred to as "the classical era." That would be silly! And I think it also silly to leave electronics out of a pledge that explicitly mentions post World War II.
*If you leave off Trautoniums and theremins and Ondes martinots.
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piston wrote:Absinthe:
Naxos has recently (?) packaged W. Schuman's complete symphonies (excluding 1 and 2, as always) with the Seattle Orchestra in a five-CD boxset. In addition to the eight published symphonies, the set also includes , Judith (a 22:22 choreographic poem), Orchestra Song, Circus Overture, New England Triptych, Night Journey (a 25:28 piece), and Schuman's arrangement of Ives' Variations on "America."
Cheers. I read about that and was keeping a look out on Amazon/UK but it hasn't appeared. On your prompt I find the set is available from MDT. Great! I'll look forward to receiving that. I'm familiar only with his Symphony No. 4 and Judith (First Edition Series CD) and the Violin Concerto on DG (c/w Piston Symphony No. 2 and Ruggles "Suntreader").
Can't help but notice that Schuman shares the withdrawal of his first two symphonies with his contemporaries, Mennin and Persichetti. One wonders..... However, the respect shown for leaving them withdrawn is to be admired (while secretly hoping their respective estates may one day allow them to be recorded. It isn't as if they were left incomplete and had to await an Anthony Payne. Perhaps in their time the composers felt they were not of the same build as their later symphonies. At least the 2nd of Mennin and Schuman were performed).
Thanks for the tip.
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they had a strong conception of professionalism which was not shared by all concerned: Milhaud, Villa-Lobos, etc. It's a personal trait one needs to respect, like "my dissertation should not be propagated." I'm good with that.
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He may not, but, I do...Jared wrote:(c'mon Lance... even you can't own EVERY obscure Handel opera, or work by Stockhausen, can you? ).
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I am working my way through those discs too, one weekend i'm going to listen to the Dante Symphonies in one long sitting, I have played them all previously, but never together...the Weinberg Opera looks very interesting...piston wrote:Orchestral:
Boris Tischenko's symphonies, including his five "Dante" symphonies.(Northern Flowers)
Chamber:
Boris Tchaikovsky's complete string quartets. (Northern Flowers)
Opera:
M. Weinberg's "The Passenger / Die Passagierin" (Пассажирка – Passazhirka) which was finally performed and recorded at the Bregenz Festival in July 31.
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According to Nostradamus AND the Mayan calendar, the world is to end on December 21, 2012. You might, at least, create your listing (there's optimism in doing this!. If December 21, 2012 sees the end, then we'll all be in the same boat, and it ain't going to be Noah's!
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bombasticDarren wrote:It's on the agenda for 2013 JohnjohnQpublic wrote:My reaction to Jared's and Darren's list is: Where's the 20th/21st Century?
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Actually Lance, as I understand it, Mayan calendars are cyclical, just like ours. 2010 ends on December 31, for instance, just like all the other years have. And 2011 starts on the first of January. The so-called long count calendar that ends on 21 December 2012 is no different. That just marks the end/beginning of a cycle. It's the end of a longer cycle, like our centuries, but that ain't no thang, either.
In any event, for each of us the world ends for sure when we die.
Anyway, why not pledge to listen to more music by people who are still alive and who can still enjoy the adulation? It's not as if the music is any better or worse than the stuff by people who've died. It's not. A little less familiar, maybe. Time was, you may recall, when Bartók was less familiar to you, eh? And now, practically everyone loves his stuff.
If you're one of those practically everyone's, maybe it's time to add Lutosławski. And then, when that's familiar, add Lachenmann. Already, in only two steps, you're listening to someone who's alive. What a thrill, eh? After all, we see threads all the time about which composer or world premiere or whatever we would like to experience if we had a time machine.
In the meantime, there are living composers and current world premieres happening all around us every day that we (practically all of us) simply ignore. What a great pity. And for why? Listening to music isn't that hard, really. And it's not scary or anything. It's fun!
In any event, for each of us the world ends for sure when we die.
Anyway, why not pledge to listen to more music by people who are still alive and who can still enjoy the adulation? It's not as if the music is any better or worse than the stuff by people who've died. It's not. A little less familiar, maybe. Time was, you may recall, when Bartók was less familiar to you, eh? And now, practically everyone loves his stuff.
If you're one of those practically everyone's, maybe it's time to add Lutosławski. And then, when that's familiar, add Lachenmann. Already, in only two steps, you're listening to someone who's alive. What a thrill, eh? After all, we see threads all the time about which composer or world premiere or whatever we would like to experience if we had a time machine.
In the meantime, there are living composers and current world premieres happening all around us every day that we (practically all of us) simply ignore. What a great pity. And for why? Listening to music isn't that hard, really. And it's not scary or anything. It's fun!
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anyway, enough about Mayan calendars..
is it just Darren, Jacques and me (and absinthe, to a certain degree) who will be treading these boards alone??
is it just Darren, Jacques and me (and absinthe, to a certain degree) who will be treading these boards alone??
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It's a lovely thought but not practical for me as I never have time to investigate other than discs I am working on - 99% of those will be of repertoire I don't know so that takes care of my 'new music exploring' for 2011... and not much point in listing (unless asked) as the CDs won;t be out until after I have explored them.........
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No, i'm going to try (yet again), Rubinstein, Fiedler, Casals, Cortot, plus Elgar and Schumann next year...i've given up on Horowitz and Rattle...Jared wrote:anyway, enough about Mayan calendars..
is it just Darren, Jacques and me (and absinthe, to a certain degree) who will be treading these boards alone??
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^^ nice one Chalkie...
however, I'd still like to see one or two more full lists folks, to keep me and Darren company through the year!..
however, I'd still like to see one or two more full lists folks, to keep me and Darren company through the year!..
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Maybe no one wants to be slapped down for mentioning Mayan calendars or something. (Both references to which were clearly tied to the idea of the OP.)
Maybe everyone is already listening to music at their own pace for their own reasons.
Maybe no one is interested in exploring new things.
I think all of these are probably true. Because I'm particularly interested in the last one, I still think this is a good idea of yours. But what the hay? Not every thread is going to capture the hearts and minds of internet posters, not even good ones!
Maybe everyone is already listening to music at their own pace for their own reasons.
Maybe no one is interested in exploring new things.
I think all of these are probably true. Because I'm particularly interested in the last one, I still think this is a good idea of yours. But what the hay? Not every thread is going to capture the hearts and minds of internet posters, not even good ones!
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Me?
I'm looking forward to hearing a lot of music by:
Luciano Berio
Elliott Carter
George Crumb
Iannis Xenakis
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Particularly Stockhausen. Apparently I've missed something in his output that seems to place the composer at the top of the of the best of 20th century composers. So, if Stockhausen is considered No. 1, who would be last on the list?
Good choices, in your humble opinion?
I'm looking forward to hearing a lot of music by:
Luciano Berio
Elliott Carter
George Crumb
Iannis Xenakis
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Particularly Stockhausen. Apparently I've missed something in his output that seems to place the composer at the top of the of the best of 20th century composers. So, if Stockhausen is considered No. 1, who would be last on the list?
Good choices, in your humble opinion?
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^^ well Lance, if you can make a 2011 pledge, absolutely anyone can!!!...
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JARED! I'm so glad 2CU! Now, do you believe my pledge?
Jared wrote:^^ well Lance, if you can make a 2011 pledge, absolutely anyone can!!!...
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I think you should spend the entire year listening to Morton Feldman...Lance wrote:Me?
I'm looking forward to hearing a lot of music by:
Luciano Berio
Elliott Carter
George Crumb
Iannis Xenakis
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Particularly Stockhausen. Apparently I've missed something in his output that seems to place the composer at the top of the of the best of 20th century composers. So, if Stockhausen is considered No. 1, who would be last on the list?
Good choices, in your humble opinion?
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Lance, those five guys are all good. Though I know I'd rather spend the year with Morty, too!
Why those five, though? I'm curious. What led to your choosing Berio, Carter, Crumb, Xenakis, and Stockhausen? (Well, you've sort of accounted for Stockhausen. But that piques my curiosity, too. Where did you see him mentioned as number one of the twenty greatest twentieth century composers? I wouldn't put him at number one, but of course, I wouldn't do any ranking at all if I could help it. Doesn't seem prudent!!)
Why those five, though? I'm curious. What led to your choosing Berio, Carter, Crumb, Xenakis, and Stockhausen? (Well, you've sort of accounted for Stockhausen. But that piques my curiosity, too. Where did you see him mentioned as number one of the twenty greatest twentieth century composers? I wouldn't put him at number one, but of course, I wouldn't do any ranking at all if I could help it. Doesn't seem prudent!!)
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Michael, I thought my post would elicit some comment from you! Why those five? Well, because they do not generally fit into my personal mold for listening to music. But I'm always willing to give any composer a fair chance. So, for your sake (and mine) I will make the effort to hear and try to understand the essence of compositions by these five composers. As for Morty ... hmm, haven't thought about him at all, actually. Who knows, maybe there's something worth hearing.
some guy wrote:Lance, those five guys are all good. Though I know I'd rather spend the year with Morty, too!
Why those five, though? I'm curious. What led to your choosing Berio, Carter, Crumb, Xenakis, and Stockhausen? (Well, you've sort of accounted for Stockhausen. But that piques my curiosity, too. Where did you see him mentioned as number one of the twenty greatest twentieth century composers? I wouldn't put him at number one, but of course, I wouldn't do any ranking at all if I could help it. Doesn't seem prudent!!)
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Well, I still don't know why those particular five, though it's only idle curiosity on my part. (That is, why Berio and not Maderna, say.)
Those five, I reiterate, are fine. Hours of good, clean fun.
(When you're done with those, I'll bet I could come up with maybe five more, too. Or even six!)
Those five, I reiterate, are fine. Hours of good, clean fun.
(When you're done with those, I'll bet I could come up with maybe five more, too. Or even six!)
"The public has got to stay in touch with the music of its time . . . for otherwise people will gradually come to mistrust music claimed to be the best."
--Viennese critic (1843)
Confusion is a word we have invented for an order which is not understood.
--Henry Miller
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Confusion is a word we have invented for an order which is not understood.
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*looks up*
Pah. Far too conventional. Some of you need to stretch your ears. This year, I shall acquaint myself with:
Beethoven: Symphonies, 2, 4 & 8.
Beethoven: Piano Sonatas 1-32 (exc. the Pathétique, Moonlight, Pastorale and Waldstein)
Beethoven: String Quartets (complete)
Beethoven: Missa Solemnis
Beethoven: Mass in C
I trust that all of you are now intimidated.
Pah. Far too conventional. Some of you need to stretch your ears. This year, I shall acquaint myself with:
Beethoven: Symphonies, 2, 4 & 8.
Beethoven: Piano Sonatas 1-32 (exc. the Pathétique, Moonlight, Pastorale and Waldstein)
Beethoven: String Quartets (complete)
Beethoven: Missa Solemnis
Beethoven: Mass in C
I trust that all of you are now intimidated.
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PetrifiedThumper wrote:*looks up*
Pah. Far too conventional. Some of you need to stretch your ears. This year, I shall acquaint myself with:
Beethoven: Symphonies, 2, 4 & 8.
Beethoven: Piano Sonatas 1-32 (exc. the Pathétique, Moonlight, Pastorale and Waldstein)
Beethoven: String Quartets (complete)
Beethoven: Missa Solemnis
Beethoven: Mass in C
I trust that all of you are now intimidated.
Enjoy every moment of it all
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I can't fault that as a plan ThumperThumper wrote:*looks up*
Pah. Far too conventional. Some of you need to stretch your ears. This year, I shall acquaint myself with:
Beethoven: Symphonies, 2, 4 & 8.
Beethoven: Piano Sonatas 1-32 (exc. the Pathétique, Moonlight, Pastorale and Waldstein)
Beethoven: String Quartets (complete)
Beethoven: Missa Solemnis
Beethoven: Mass in C
I trust that all of you are now intimidated.
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I feel like I've been beet-over(n) the head by that lot. :mrgroan:.... oh, I meanThumper wrote:*looks up*
Pah. Far too conventional. Some of you need to stretch your ears. This year, I shall acquaint myself with:
Beethoven: Symphonies, 2, 4 & 8.
Beethoven: Piano Sonatas 1-32 (exc. the Pathétique, Moonlight, Pastorale and Waldstein)
Beethoven: String Quartets (complete)
Beethoven: Missa Solemnis
Beethoven: Mass in C
I trust that all of you are now intimidated.
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I neglected to mention—the first time around—I may have to postpone my listening pledge of composers to AFTER December 21, 2012.
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Why is that sir?Lance wrote:I neglected to mention—the first time around—I may have to postpone my listening pledge of composers to AFTER December 21, 2012.
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Very clever, Seán! Oh ... I don't know, no particularly good reason for the date unless you look backwards!
Seán wrote:Why is that sir?Lance wrote:I neglected to mention—the first time around—I may have to postpone my listening pledge of composers to AFTER December 21, 2012.
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Jared wrote:Jared's Pledge:
Orchestral:
Haydn: Symphonies 82-92
Suk: Azrael Symphony
Nielsen: Concertos & Overtures
Chamber:
Schubert: String Trios
Brahms: String & Piano Quartets
Beethoven: String Trios
Instrumental:
Mendelssohn: Songs Without Words
Schubert: Piano Sonatas
Scarlatti: Hapsichord Sonatas
Choral/ Opera:
Britten: War Requiem
Byrd: Mass for 4 & 5 Voices
Berlioz: Requiem
Vocal:
Schubert: Winterreisse
Mahler: Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen & Early Works
Various: English Folksong Repertoire
oh, dear, dear dear... I'm heartily ashamed...
I have just trawled through the CMG pledge I made over 12 months ago, and the amount of new music I from this list that I managed to acquaint myself with during 2011 (highlighted in blue) is rather pitiful... it wasn't as if it was an onerous task... but my enthusiasms kept taking me off in different directions (with quite a heavy Haydnian / Renaissance slant, it has to be said). Must do better next year, CMGers...
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I did dreadfully. I worked through the Wagner and have begun my journey into lieder but struggle to get into the mood for it. Certainly what I have heard so far has been exceptional, but I sense it will be long term project for me to fully appreciate the artformbombasticDarren wrote:Darren's Pledge
Chamber:
Beethoven's piano trios
Continue to work through Haydn's string quartets and piano trios
Grieg's violin sonatas
Instrumental:
Liszt's piano works
Develop deeper understanding of Bach's cello suites
Bach's organ works
Choral/Opera:
Handel's operas and oratorios
Wagner's 'Lohengrin', 'Die Meistersingers' and 'Parsifal'
Elgar's 'Dream of Gerontius'
Vocal:
Schubert's lieder
Schumann's lieder
Wolf's lieder
I have omitted orchestral works, because I focussed far too much on them at the initial stages of my CM journey
Some of the other areas are works in progress - but lieder is completely new to me so I guess I would prioritise that area over the next year or so
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bombasticDarren wrote:I did dreadfully. I worked through the Wagner and have begun my journey into lieder but struggle to get into the mood for it. Certainly what I have heard so far has been exceptional, but I sense it will be long term project for me to fully appreciate the artform
Darren.. I dug it out, as a mere matter of curiosity, and I have to say, I'm really quite ashamed... there's 'basic library' stuff up there, such as Schubert's Trios which have spent about 2 years on my Amazon wish list... well, we'll just keep ploughing away for another year... ahh well, at least we're both in the same boat; I had premonitions of you striking everything through in blue ink..
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I did not commit myself to anything in particular but what I did do was to reduce my Wish List by about 50% in 2011. I am pleased with this as quite a number of discs had been languishing there for quite some time.
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I have to say that one of my priorities has been to reduce the number of unplayed discs in my collection too.Fergus wrote:I did not commit myself to anything in particular but what I did do was to reduce my Wish List by about 50% in 2011. I am pleased with this as quite a number of discs had been languishing there for quite some time.
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The number of unplayed disks in my collection just never seems to go down... I have just had a quick count up, and there are 73 unplayed disks sat on my shelf... seriously, that lot will last me beyond Easter, assuming I make no more purchases....bombasticDarren wrote:I have to say that one of my priorities has been to reduce the number of unplayed discs in my collection too.
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It tends to be boxed sets and the odd opera that wait longest to be spun by meJared wrote:The number of unplayed disks in my collection just never seems to go down... I have just had a quick count up, and there are 73 unplayed disks sat on my shelf... seriously, that lot will last me beyond Easter, assuming I make no more purchases....bombasticDarren wrote:I have to say that one of my priorities has been to reduce the number of unplayed discs in my collection too.
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You did better than most with their New Year resolutions. There's no shame in pursuing your interests as they occur to you; time enough to fill in the blanks when that spirit moves you.Jared wrote:I have just trawled through the CMG pledge I made over 12 months ago, and the amount of new music I from this list that I managed to acquaint myself with during 2011 (highlighted in blue) is rather pitiful... it wasn't as if it was an onerous task... but my enthusiasms kept taking me off in different directions (with quite a heavy Haydnian / Renaissance slant, it has to be said). Must do better next year, CMGers...
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^^ I think that most operas would sit on my shelf for eternity...
I agree about the boxed sets situation,,, the 22 disks which make up the Haydn String Quartet box set keep peering at me from the Amazon wish list, and with the Piano Sonatas already sat on my shelf, I frankly don't know whether I have the strength or courage...
anyway.... I think I'm going to have a more concerted effort at writing and keeping to a 2012 pledge over the coming days... I'm quite serious!
I agree about the boxed sets situation,,, the 22 disks which make up the Haydn String Quartet box set keep peering at me from the Amazon wish list, and with the Piano Sonatas already sat on my shelf, I frankly don't know whether I have the strength or courage...
anyway.... I think I'm going to have a more concerted effort at writing and keeping to a 2012 pledge over the coming days... I'm quite serious!
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