Can't warm to Bruckner

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Re: Can't warm to Bruckner

Post by maestrob » Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:18 pm

jserraglio wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:10 am
maestrob wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:18 am
I have loved the Ring since my teenage years
For me, the Ring is the greatest musical work ever written by anybody, anytime, anywhere. This week and last, I have been listening to excerpts from the Knappertsbusch Bayreuth Rings '56, '57, and '58. That said, I am totally a non-musical beast. I remember my choir-director nun yelling at me for the pitiful sound I was emitting as a boy soprano. Still I couldnt get enough of that glorious Gregorian chant.
Just so.

That said, I have presented excerpts from Tristan & Isolde in my vocal competition, including Isolde's curse, the huge love duet between Tristan & Isolde, and, of course, the Liebestod, which I consider Wagner's finest aria, along with Wotan's Leb' wohl. I have a DVD of a badly recorded production with Bohm/Nilsson/Vickers, and Vickers's rendition of the mad scene is totally overwhelming in its impact!

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Re: Can't warm to Bruckner

Post by barney » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:41 pm

Brian, I thought Brunnhilde's immolation scene would be right up there for you.

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Re: Can't warm to Bruckner

Post by slofstra » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:48 pm

barney wrote:
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In the late 90s and early 2000s Simone Young was a really fine chief conductor (that might not have been her title) at Opera Australia, including a magnificent Lulu. She left, and eventually went to Hamburg, because her ambitions outstripped what OA beancounters saw as their budget. I'm sure there was virtue and fault on both sides, but she was a great loss. I've interviewed her once, later. The CEO, Adrian Collette, at the time I knew a little professionally, and I respected him as well.
I've been to about 20 performances she conducted: no duds, always interesting, some superb. I gather she was popular at Hamburg. She oversaw a massive rebuilding project. She is something of a perfectionist, but are not all really good conductors?
Not this building, was it? Hamburg Elbphilharmonie cost over $1 billion to complete. I'm living in the wrong city.

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Re: Can't warm to Bruckner

Post by barney » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:29 am

Indeed, that is the one. Pretty spectacular - thanks for the link.

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Re: Can't warm to Bruckner

Post by slofstra » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:22 am

barney wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:29 am
Indeed, that is the one. Pretty spectacular - thanks for the link.
I guess it's not much news to say I almost visited it. My son and I had a weekend to spend on a return train trip from Copenhagen to Amsterdam. Hamburg was a stopover and we considered a stay there. Berlin was too much for a couple of days visit. We elected to go to the town of Schwerin for the weekend, a visit which I would recommend to anyone. In the meantime I had read a fair bit about this remarkable opera house in Hamburg and bookmarked it mentally for a later visit.
But will there be one, now? Maybe not; I may have to limit future travels to just our own country, which fortunately happens to have the second largest land mass in the world. That won't be all that bad. Our border with the USA remains closed for the indefinite future and Europe is now light years away.
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Re: Can't warm to Bruckner

Post by maestrob » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:57 am

barney wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:41 pm
Brian, I thought Brunnhilde's immolation scene would be right up there for you.
Sure, but that's a duet. I've sung that in Carnegie Hall (with piano only, unfortunately!). Great music! :D

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Re: Can't warm to Bruckner

Post by diegobueno » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:18 am

jserraglio wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:43 pm
Her 8th uses the 1887 original version.
This is the one with the loud ending for the first movement and a totally different trio in the scherzo?
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Re: Can't warm to Bruckner

Post by maestrob » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:31 am

diegobueno wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:18 am
jserraglio wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:43 pm
Her 8th uses the 1887 original version.
This is the one with the loud ending for the first movement and a totally different trio in the scherzo?
Yes indeed, and a truncated development in the finale to the last movement as well. The revisions of 1890 make for a far superior work, IMHO, but Young makes a tremendously good case for the original. In his revisions, Bruckner was right, as always.

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