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Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Mayor, prances and dances to a Putin tune in Ukraine

Post by jserraglio » Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:24 am

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
Had a very shiny nose
And if you ever saw it
You would even say it glows

All of the other reindeer
Used to laugh and call him names
They never let poor Rudy
Join in any reindeer games

Then one foggy Christmas Eve
Santa came to say
Rudolph with your nose so bright
Won't you guide my sleigh tonight

Then how the reindeer loved him
As they shouted out with glee
Rudy the Red-Nosed Reindeer
You'll go down in history
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Even as the House of Representatives began drafting charges against President Trump this week, his private attorney, who many believe is partly responsible for leading Trump on the path to his likely impeachment, made an audacious trip to the country at the center of the scandal.
Rudolph W. Giuliani departed Kyiv after meeting with a range of Ukrainians who have been feeding him unproven allegations against former vice president Joe Biden and helping construct a counternarrative that is taking hold in the Republican Party. The latter story line asserts that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election, including with the baseless theory that Ukraine, rather than Russia, was behind the hacking of the Democratic National Committee.
The purported purpose of the trip was to conduct interviews for a documentary on a right-wing media network. But Giuliani’s travel also appeared designed to send a broader and more brazen signal of the disregard that he and Trump have for the unfolding impeachment process.
As if to underscore that, Giuliani used his Twitter account while on the trip to describe the impeachment hearings as a “witch hunt,” attack the former U.S. ambassador whom he helped oust earlier this year, and assert that Trump’s demands for politically beneficial investigations by Ukraine’s government were appropriate.
The flurry of messages seemed designed to taunt Democrats in Washington.
Current and former officials in Washington expressed astonishment at how Giuliani — apparently on behalf of the president — seemed to be mocking impeachment investigators, if not the very idea that either he or his client should answer any articles of impeachment.
“It’s unbelievable to me the open way in which the administration and Giuliani are still pursuing this,” said Jeffrey Edmonds, who served as Russia director at the White House National Security Council under both Barack Obama and Trump. “It is a way of . . . asserting that everything that we’re doing is perfectly normal, perfectly fine and we’re going to keep doing it.”
Giuliani couldn’t be reached for comment on his trip.
The aftermath of Giuliani’s trip came as the White House signaled that it would not mount a formal defense of Trump in the House impeachment proceedings. White House counsel Pat A. Cipollone sent a letter to the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee on Friday, saying adopting articles of impeachment “would be a reckless abuse of power by House Democrats.”
Giuliani’s trip also represented an affront to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, whose government was welcoming a high-level State Department diplomat at the same time and hoping to return relations with the United States to normal after more than two months at the center of an American political maelstrom.
Zelensky, who didn’t meet with Giuliani, is preparing for a high-stakes summit on Monday in Paris, where he is scheduled to meet Russian President Vladi­mir Putin alongside the leaders of Germany and France in a renewed attempt to bring an end to the war between Russia-backed proxies and Ukrainian forces in the nation’s east. More than 13,000 people have died in the conflict.
The disruption in U.S.-Ukraine relations caused by Giuliani’s activities and the resulting impeachment inquiry have led some Ukrainians to fear that Zelensky, who promised an end to the conflict during his campaign, will cut a bad deal with Putin, owing partly to a growing sentiment in Kyiv that Ukraine can no longer count on support from the United States.
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Such concerns appeared to be far from Giuliani’s mind.
During his trip, he sat down with a mustachioed Ukrainian lawmaker who has promoted Russian interests in Ukraine and once studied at a KGB academy in Moscow.
He was accompanied by a former Ukrainian diplomat who has won renown in U.S. right-wing circles by alleging Ukraine colluded with the DNC to undermine Trump in 2016.
He received a bon voyage message from a former Ukrainian parliamentarian, who once sent a peace proposal to the White House that would have lifted sanctions on Russia and recognized the Kremlin’s annexation of Crimea.
The trip also served a practical purpose ahead of a likely Senate trial of his client. Giuliani brought a correspondent from the right-wing One America News to interview many of the Ukrainians he has interacted with in the past year — people who are willing to make allegations against Biden and the Democrats.
The footage will help inject the theories Giuliani has gathered over the past year even further into the American public discourse, as the Senate prepares to embark on a trial that some Republican lawmakers want to make as much about Biden as it is about the president.
Giuliani has alleged that Biden pushed for the 2016 firing of Ukraine’s top prosecutor to help his son, Hunter Biden, who at the time was a board member of a Ukrainian gas company whose owner was under investigation in Ukraine. Apart from a claim by the top prosecutor in question that Biden had him fired for that reason, no evidence has surfaced to show that is why Biden sought his removal. European Union leaders also wanted the prosecutor removed.
During the trip, Giuliani said on Twitter that until the matter is resolved, the issue “will be a major obstacle to the U.S. assisting Ukraine with its anti-corruption efforts.”
In Kyiv, Giuliani met with two members of Ukraine’s parliament, Andriy Derkach and Oleksandr Dubinsky, who have called for a joint U.S.-Ukrainian parliamentary investigation into the gas company. The One America News correspondent traveling with Giuliani posted photos of them interviewing former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuri Lutsenko in Budapest, where they stopped before traveling on to Ukraine.
On Capitol Hill, Democrats were shocked by Giuliani’s nerve.
“It’s a brazen move,” said Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-Ill.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, which led the impeachment inquiry. “This is emblematic of this White House: When they are in the wrong, they double down. And in this case, they are tripling down.”
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) called the trip an indication of “the arrogance of it all” in comments at a CNN Town Hall on Thursday night.
Some Republicans were left scratching their heads.
Asked about the trip, Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) replied, “Rudy does what Rudy does.”
Others were surprised. “The fact that Giuliani is back in Ukraine is like a murder suspect returning to the crime scene to live-stream themselves moon dancing,” said Dan Eberhart, a prominent Republican donor and Trump supporter. “It’s brazen on a galactic level.”
At the White House, deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley sidestepped the matter.
“That’s a question between Rudy and the president,” Gidley said.
Privately, however, two officials involved in the White House’s impeachment response said Trump aides were not told Giuliani was traveling to Ukraine and do not view it as helpful.
Some House Republicans have sought to create distance between Trump and Giuliani, but the president has not yet signaled a willingness to support such a move, the two officials said. On Friday, Gidley said that as a far as he was aware, Giuliani remained Trump’s personal attorney.
Robyn Dixon in Moscow, David L. Stern in Kyiv and Rachael Bade and Mike DeBonis in Washington contributed to this report.
Paul Sonne covers the U.S. military and national security. He previously reported for the Wall Street Journal from Moscow, London and Washington.
Greg Miller is a national security correspondent for The Washington Post and a two-time winner of the Pulitzer Prize. He is the author of "The Apprentice," a book on Russia's interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential race and the fallout under the Trump administration.
Josh Dawsey is a White House reporter for The Washington Post. He joined the paper in 2017. He previously covered the White House for Politico, and New York City Hall and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie for the Wall Street Journal.
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Re: Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Mayor, prances and dances to a Putin tune in Ukraine

Post by lennygoran » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:28 am

So when will the spineless Republicans force Trump to abandon him--maybe someone can produce incriminating phone calls from Trump's unsecure cell phone! Regards, Len :(

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Re: Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Mayor, prances and dances to a Putin tune in Ukraine

Post by barney » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:11 pm

Len, in any previous generation Trump would have long gone.
I can't think of any conceivable crime that would make the Republicans remove him - rape, murder, treason: all would be explained away or dismissed as fake news. They are utterly embedded in his defence to protect their own skins. This is the lowest ebb in US politics in my lifetime.

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Re: Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Mayor, prances and dances to a Putin tune in Ukraine

Post by lennygoran » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:55 pm

barney wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:11 pm
Len, in any previous generation Trump would have long gone.
I can't think of any conceivable crime that would make the Republicans remove him
Barney what about shooting someone on 5th Ave? Regards, Len :(

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Re: Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Mayor, prances and dances to a Putin tune in Ukraine

Post by Belle » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:08 pm

Whoah!! Why not wait 12 months and let nature take its course.

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Post by lennygoran » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:16 am

Belle wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:08 pm
Whoah!! Why not wait 12 months and let nature take its course.
We can't wait that long-by then Russia will have infiltrated our 2020 election and given him another 4 years. Regards, Len :(

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Re: Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Mayor, prances and dances to a Putin tune in Ukraine

Post by barney » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:29 pm

:D
lennygoran wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:55 pm
barney wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:11 pm
Len, in any previous generation Trump would have long gone.
I can't think of any conceivable crime that would make the Republicans remove him
Barney what about shooting someone on 5th Ave? Regards, Len :(
Well Len, you have it from the horse's mouth (or perhaps another part of the equine anatomy) that he would get away with that. Anything that requires recognition of moral behaviour and norms from the Republicans has no chance of flying. They have utterly disgraced a once-great political party.
As I've written before, none of this criticism of the Republicans should be understood as endorsing the Democrats. I have no faith in them either, especially as they succumb to identity politics. What America needs is Jacinta Adern (PM of New Zealand).

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Re: Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Mayor, prances and dances to a Putin tune in Ukraine

Post by Belle » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:13 pm

What I want to know is what's with the bigotry about 'red-nosed' reindeer? They're going to be offended and discriminated against!! He 'had a very shiny nose'. Appalling ridicule and prejudice!! And, besides, the lady reindeer or the intersex ones mightn't have red noses. Come Dasher, come Dancer - let's go home!!!

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Re: Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Mayor, prances and dances to a Putin tune in Ukraine

Post by jserraglio » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:13 am

Belle wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:13 pm
What I want to know is what's with the bigotry about 'red-nosed' reindeer? They're going to be offended and discriminated against!! He 'had a very shiny nose'. Appalling ridicule and prejudice!! And, besides, the lady reindeer or the intersex ones mightn't have red noses. Come Dasher, come Dancer - let's go home!!!
Indeed, sycophantic noses are properly labelled brown but when one takes into account whose it is that Rudy's homes in on, a color correction seemed to be called for.

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Re: Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Mayor, prances and dances to a Putin tune in Ukraine

Post by barney » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:12 pm

Crudity warning!
:)
Re brown-nosing, indeed, at work years ago one person was so sycophantic that we used to call him Two Toes, the idea being that he was so far immersed in the editor's nether orifice that two toes were all that were visible.

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Re: Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Mayor, prances and dances to a Putin tune in Ukraine

Post by jserraglio » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:34 pm

barney wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:12 pm
two toes were all that were visible.
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Re: Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Mayor, prances and dances to a Putin tune in Ukraine

Post by barney » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:07 am

Sorry, he was called Big Toe, not Two Toes. Silly failure of memory.

Love especially the first cartoon. Sometimes a picture is indeed worth 1000 words.

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