The Game of Marriage Chicken: Left-over women and elusive men

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The Game of Marriage Chicken: Left-over women and elusive men

Post by Belle » Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:36 pm

This essay was written by an Australian relationships psychologist and researcher and it bears out exactly what I've been writing here for circa three years about the marriage market and 'shy' men. The intellectually bankrupt comment "why do you hate women?" can be seen as yet another vapid Lefty response to a serious social phenomenon.

It's also worth mentioning that in relation to Afghanistan and the prohibitions against women being viewed as sexual objects - that famous head-to-toe shroud - abuse of under-aged boys is in epidemic proportions; I learned this from my (recently-retired) Clinical Psychologist sister who had to counsel returning soldiers from that theatre of war. There are social consequences when the metrics are skewed in favour of one sex, which we saw in the 1950s and 1960s where men mostly called the shots. Now the reverse applies, but it's still the men doing the choosing!!

I notice the graphs didn't materialize when I cut and paste.

Bettina Arndt: The Game of Marriage Chicken

China is grappling with the problem of what to do with what they call “leftover” women – unmarried women, often highly educated and urban, who can’t find a mate. The officials are finding their proposed incentives to persuade these women to marry unemployed men are meeting stiff resistance.

Meanwhile, black American leftover women are lining up for a harrowing dose of reality from YouTube sensation, Kevin Samuels. Over 2.5 million viewers have checked out this image consultant’s video, You’re Average at Best, where he demolishes a 36-year-old owner of a pet grooming business who believes she deserves a “six figure guy”.

Samuels attracts “people who cannot look away from a train crash,” claims this blogger who admits she too can’t stop watching him. There’s certainly a mesmerizing quality to his endless interviews with delusional women convinced that their PhD and high earnings will attract a “high value man” - the modern equivalent of a knight in shining armour.

Samuels is arrogant, misogynist and totally wrong on many fronts. But I suspect the big attraction is seeing a man calling out the “because I’m worth it” mentality afflicting so many successful women today. Watching their sense of entitlement flounder on the rocky shoals of today’s marriage market makes for irresistible viewing. (Not to mention the entitlement which sees them strip males of their assets in the Family Court: Belle)

Black America gives a glimpse of our future. I spent five years living in New York in the mid-1980s and wrote about the growing pool of well-educated black women already having difficulty meeting black men who could match them. They grumbled that unless they were willing to marry down, or broaden their racial preferences, they’d be left on their own.

Their dim dating prospects have darkened further. Among black graduates, women are awarded 64.1% of bachelor’s degrees, 71.5% of master’s degrees and 65.9% of doctoral, medical, and dental degrees. No wonder Kevin Saunders tells them to get real.

Meanwhile, here in Australia, we are heading for similar problems. The extraordinary success of the feminist mission to promote girls’ education is adding to the already tight market for thirty-plus educated women keen to settle down. Last week I received an email from a woman, long married to her university sweetheart, who reports her friends are complaining “there aren't enough men on their socio-economic level to form partnerships”. As she says, our society never acknowledges that in order to help women find meaningful relationships we need to promote men's education/employment.

Her friends are already up against it. In the 25-34-year age group, more than half of females now have a degree compared with about a third of males (50.4% vs 36.6%). And the trend is clear - look at this graph:

These successful women aren’t shifting from their traditional hypergamy - still desiring to marry up or at least find a comparable man. A large study of 41,000 dating interactions by QUT economists Stephen Whyte and Benno Torgler showed women seeking men of similar or superior levels of education right through to their 40’s. Only when breeding is no longer on the cards do women become less fussy about their choices.

Contributing to a far bigger problem

The imbalance in numbers of well-educated men and women is simply deepening the mighty hole women created in their marriage prospects decades ago. Where it all really went astray was the strategic decision by women back in the 1970s to delay settling down. They embraced feminist rhetoric telling them they could have it all - spend the first decade of their adult lives getting educated, establishing their careers, having fun playing the field and only then get serious about finding the right mate. And that’s what they did. Over the past half century, the average age of first marriage has shifted from the early twenties to around thirty.

For years, male bloggers have been gleefully boasting about how well that decade of dating worked out for men. Dalrock, who was one of the first to spot the trend, put it this way: “Today’s unmarried 20-something women have given men an ultimatum: ‘I’ll marry when I’m ready, take it or leave it.’ This is of course their right. But ultimatums are a risky thing, because there is always a possibility the other side will decide to leave it. In the next decade we will witness the end result of this game of marriage chicken.”

Boy, did those chickens come home to roost. The new social order worked predominantly in men’s favour. Suddenly they didn’t have to marry to get sex – for many, particularly handsome, successful males, that became freely available. They could afford to sit back and wait while their own market value steadily increased. Even nerdy blokes who spent their early dating years being constantly rejected were able to acquire assets, career success, and confidence so that by the time women decided to get serious, many of these men found themselves much in demand.

Allowing most men, particularly educated men, to remain fancy free for that critical decade means that, by the time women hit thirty, the pool of eligible prospects is already depleted. Desirable successful thirty-something males have all the choices, with many fishing outside their pond, some choosing younger women and others seeking partners who offer something other than career success. Almost one in three degree-educated 35-year-old men marry or live with women aged 30 or under.

For the leftovers - successful women in their thirties facing their rapidly closing reproductive window - the prospects are grim. The solution is easy, many say - they should just get real and marry down. But the reality is most men in their twenties aren’t interested in dealing with the hassle of the older woman’s fertility time clock, when a younger woman means less pressure, more time for making good decisions. During my time as an online dating coach, I found many younger men happy to meet up with my older clients, but sex was usually the only thing on their agenda.

We have to understand women’s choices. I was once involved in a market research project asking successful single women what they were looking for in a mate. Most expressed a desire to meet men of equivalent education partly to ensure sufficient income so they would not be robbed of the choice of staying out of the workforce to care for their young children through being dependent on her higher income to pay the mortgage. Women’s preferences are governed by more than just status.

I should point out that current trends show most people do still get married or will do so over their lifetime. Many of these successful professional women will ultimately find a mate, but may end up missing out on children if they partner in their 40s or later, often with someone who has been married before. And in case you are wondering why I am talking about finding marriage partners rather than just cohabiting, well-educated women pretty consistently prefer to delay breeding until they are married, unlike less advantaged women who increasingly now have children out of wedlock.

Men behaving badly

Currently what we are seeing in this top end thirties dating market is a lot of desperate women and elusive men. Here’s my correspondent talking about the trouble her friends are having: “The guys are willing to have sex with them but won't commit to a relationship - let alone marriage. Again, I don't really blame the men for acting this way, it's because of the sexual culture the feminists have implemented. A guy will have sex with a girl giving her the impression that a relationship could eventuate then once they've had the hook up, they ghost her. Is it any wonder that these women today are terribly bitter and angry? After a while these women feel so furious that they think to themselves they're going to make out he assaulted them because he led them on.”

Furious and dangerous. In this Brittany Higgins era, it is extraordinary men still take the risk of playing with that fire. Surely, we must expect to see more men opting out of the whole business, now that women have shown themselves at their most venal and vindictive. The sight of baying groups of females out for blood at the Brett Cavanagh hearing, or at the Higgins’ talk at the National Press Club talk should have sensible men running for cover.

Clearly some are doing so. Last year the media was agog at this graph, taken from data published in the Washington Post, showing a third of men under thirty were virgins.

Part of the story here relates to boys’ education. Young men, with lower levels of education, are dropping out of the labor force, many living with their parents, with no income, no prospects, no women.

The bigger question is how much of this is also MGTOW – men choosing to go their own way. It makes sense in this anti-male culture for younger men to be wary of sexual contact which could turn around to bite them, and older successful men to fear losing most of what they have to an unsuccessful marriage. Good reason to expect elusive men to become ever more common.

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Re: The Game of Marriage Chicken: Left-over women and elusive men

Post by jserraglio » Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:22 am

Belle wrote:
Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:36 pm
The intellectually bankrupt comment "why do you hate women?" can be seen as yet another vapid Lefty response to a serious social phenomenon.
Actually, that’s a question, not a comment.

Absent an answer, one can only assume the worst:

On a political spectrum, from honorable traditional conservatism (Boris Johnson or Mitt Romney) all the way over to corrupt fascism (Donald Trump, Vova Putin or Mohammed bin Salman), how do you explain the fact that, when compared to the Left, the Right are overwhelmingly boys?

The G.O.P. is a good example: they regularly lose women to Democrats by a wide margin, particularly suburban women and women of color. In 2020, women, revolted by the misogynist policies of Trumpery, put Biden in office.

And the highest ranking woman leader they had, Liz Cheney, the G.O.P. summarily expelled both from her leadership position and the Wyoming Republican Party.

But what did Cheney do wrong? She dared to speak her mind about Jan. 6th’s aggressive male Trumpery. She violated the most sacrosanct of Republican Eleventh Commandments: “Women should be seen and not heard”. Good Republican women must always remember, you are just ornamental objects. You must be deferential—glad to be of use—sexually and in countless other ways.

Pretty damning stuff, I’m sure you would agree, no?

So, Belle, your regular anti-feminist outbursts, your speaking well of men accused of abuse, your maudlin tales of the woe that awaits men in marriage at the hands of their grasping wives, and your diatribes against Family Court — all these are par for the course when seen in the context of the rightist Boys’ Club you belong to.

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Re: The Game of Marriage Chicken: Left-over women and elusive men

Post by Belle » Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:48 am

Everything you write about - without exception - is seen through the prism of party politics. You demonstrate little to no real life experience or understanding.

On this topic (and many others) you don't have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about. So dogmatic are you about 'toxic masculinity' and a lack of understanding of what that's actually doing to males, is very revealing. You're not intelligent enough to know that what happens to men is directly related to what happens to women. If men are 'toxic' then this tells us as much about women as it does about the men. Reciprocity cannot be denied.

If you're not reiterating, parrot fashion, something you've read in Pravda 1 or Pravda 2 you'd know almost nothing at all. Your bitterness towards the whole male sex as illustrated by your comments here over the years provides consistent evidence that you've got "issues" of your own. I don't care what these are but they're embarrassing for you.

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Re: The Game of Marriage Chicken: Left-over women and elusive men

Post by jserraglio » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:20 am

Belle wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:48 am
You don't have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about…Everything you write about - without exception - is seen through the prism of party politics. You demonstrate little to no real life experience or understanding.
How can you say to your neighbor, ‘Friend, let me take out the speck in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor’s eye.

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Re: The Game of Marriage Chicken: Left-over women and elusive men

Post by Rach3 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:16 pm


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Re: The Game of Marriage Chicken: Left-over women and elusive men

Post by jserraglio » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:56 pm

Rach3 wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:16 pm
The right kind of woman
. . . is so far Right, she regards as contemptible, women who part their hair in the middle. And she disdains syntax as something only a Lefty observes. Her sentences may lack subjects, but they abound in subjectivity:
So dogmatic are you about 'toxic masculinity' and a lack of understanding of what that's actually doing to males, is very revealing.
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